First OC, need a pointer

[johnsonbrewer]

Putting together a new puter:

Q6600
P5E-vm
2 g XMS2 DDR2 800
EA 500W

I've read the OC guide about 20 times over the last few months, but I may be missing something. My settings in BIOS seem okay and it posts, but then it only gives me a glimpse of Vista and then reboots. This something else I need to look at in BIOS or a Vista problem? I have tried to run a Vista "repair" with the install DVD but it said it couldn't fix the problem. I thought I could at least get into Vista and then it would make me reactivate.

What else can I look at tonight??


BIOS: ver. 0301

Sata as "IDE"
FSB freq @ 333
PCIe @ 100
DRAM @ ddr2 800
Timings 5-5-5-15
DRAM @ 2.1V ( C4 sticks )
All other V's at Auto


Please help me into Vista

 

[TheJian]

More info please:
Was this OS already on the drive from your old PC/motherboard? This causes problems unless they're the same chipset based in most cases. Best to save your data before upgrading and format/re-install on your C drive. Sorry if you skipped that. I'm not saying there aren't ways around this, this is just the easy way.

You probably need to up the voltage on the cpu if you have auto it will likely NOT work. (assuming its a new os install)
What is your current voltage to the cpu? I know you said auto but in the pc health screen (or whatever for your bios...it's where they show the fan speeds usually and all voltages) you should see voltages.

I don't care about a long post, the more settings the better for everyone that tries to help out in situations like this While the above info might help you, I'm pretty much throwing darts at the board here There's just way too many things that could be causing the problem. Whats an EA 500W? Brand/model# please or at least the amps on the 12v lead/leads. Also what vid card?

 

[johnsonbrewer]

Yes, Vista was already installed with XP as a dual boot on a SATA hd. Old mobo was an ASUS p4g800-v. No critical data on the boot drive in case I have to reinstall Vista -- but will probably lose XP in the process.

I just booted into XP at the dual boot prompt and it headed straight for the reactivation screen! So this is a Vista problem somehow it seems.

Vcore at "auto" is 1.25 volts. The PSU is an Earthwatts 500. No vid card, using the onboard vga for now.

 

[PolymerTim]

EA 500 is the model number for the Antec Earthwatts 500W

I agree that much more info is needed to make an educated guess. I'm also curious if you tested your new system for stability before OCing? This is step #1 in my book to make sure everything is working properly before you start fiddling with settings.

The more you can tell us about your setup history the better. If you tested at stock and things were fine did you jump straight to 333MHz or were there lower speeds that worked. And as Jian said, cpu voltage should generally not be left on auto while OCing. You can't trust the MB to figure out how much juice your cpu needs and in some cases it will give it too much (I've heard this is a problem with the newer 45nm cpus).

 

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer
Yes, Vista was already installed with XP as a dual boot on a SATA hd. Old mobo was an ASUS p4g800-v. No critical data on the boot drive in case I have to reinstall Vista -- but will probably lose XP in the process.

I just booted into XP at the dual boot prompt and it headed straight for the reactivation screen! So this is a Vista problem somehow it seems.

Vcore at "auto" is 1.25 volts. The PSU is an Earthwatts 500. No vid card, using the onboard vga for now.

Ah, I was typing while you posted. I think changing out motherboards without reinstalling Windows is going to be a problem for you. I looked into doing this once and the methods required made my head spin (granted that was several years ago). But I think you can expect a lot of buggy drivers and glitches if you just swap MBs in a Windows machine and don't do anything else.

 

[johnsonbrewer]

Originally posted by: PolymerTim

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer
Yes, Vista was already installed with XP as a dual boot on a SATA hd. Old mobo was an ASUS p4g800-v. No critical data on the boot drive in case I have to reinstall Vista -- but will probably lose XP in the process.

I just booted into XP at the dual boot prompt and it headed straight for the reactivation screen! So this is a Vista problem somehow it seems.

Vcore at "auto" is 1.25 volts. The PSU is an Earthwatts 500. No vid card, using the onboard vga for now.

Ah, I was typing while you posted. I think changing out motherboards without reinstalling Windows is going to be a problem for you. I looked into doing this once and the methods required made my head spin (granted that was several years ago). But I think you can expect a lot of buggy drivers and glitches if you just swap MBs in a Windows machine and don't do anything else.

I just successfully reactivated XP via the internet so one down, one to go. I think if Vista doesn't come around soon, I'll just reinstall on its own partition like before.

According to coretemp, my chip's VID is 1.2125 !! Sounds low so I should be good for a decent OC when I get around to it.

 

[TheJian]

At least you don't have to lose any data. That's a good vid, yes. You should hit 3ghz easy then. I'd say 1.3v or before but I'm just guessing. If you're not stable I'd likely just jump to 1.3 knowing it's completely safe for that cpu. If it works great then back down until you find the breaking point in prime95. Should've recognized the EA I guess. I sell Antec...LOL. I have a super lanboy (for that matter so does my dad)...ROFL.

Agree with PolymerTim on the "have you been stable yet" question. 24hrs before I even bother starting to screw with things. Gotta have a good foundation before you build the house

Fresh OS is definitely best (not to mention easy). How long does it take to avoid problems? About an hour on these chips including basic driver installs. Your apps/games will obviously add to that. Sure is easier than troubleshooting messy drivers etc from an old board.

 

[johnsonbrewer]

Originally posted by: TheJian
At least you don't have to lose any data. That's a good vid, yes. You should hit 3ghz easy then. I'd say 1.3v or before but I'm just guessing. If you're not stable I'd likely just jump to 1.3 knowing it's completely safe for that cpu. If it works great then back down until you find the breaking point in prime95. Should've recognized the EA I guess. I sell Antec...LOL. I have a super lanboy (for that matter so does my dad)...ROFL.

Agree with PolymerTim on the "have you been stable yet" question. 24hrs before I even bother starting to screw with things. Gotta have a good foundation before you build the house

Fresh OS is definitely best (not to mention easy). How long does it take to avoid problems? About an hour on these chips including basic driver installs. Your apps/games will obviously add to that. Sure is easier than troubleshooting messy drivers etc from an old board.

I'm idling at 45-50C on all four cores now at 267 mHz , stock 2.4gHz, so I may not have my cooler seated properly. I've got an Arctic Cooler 7 and my temps should be less at idle and 1.17 Volts I didn't apply any TIM, just used what was on the cooler already.

 

[TheJian]

Yeah, that should be lower. If you have no other grease, try newegg for Arctic silver 5. It's like $6 or so. And is the best grease out there that is NOT conductive! With stock volts that low I'd think it shouldn't be above 40 idle. If you already have some AS5 reseat that puppy.

 

[DSF]

I don't think you ever mentioned whether Vista works at stock speeds. If you did, I missed it. Have you tried that?

 

[johnsonbrewer]

Originally posted by: DSF
I don't think you ever mentioned whether Vista works at stock speeds. If you did, I missed it. Have you tried that?

No, I haven't gotten into Vista at all at stock settings yet. I can run the install / repair DVD on start-up, but as soon as I try to load Vista it reboots. I only upped the the FSB to 333 mhz after all attempts failed at stock settings. I'm thinking now it is driver related--either chipset or video. The old mobo had an ATI card and the new one has onboard X3500. I have not run CCleaner yet and probably should when I get home.

Once I got the drivers squared away on the XP boot side, it cleared up and is stable. But Vista is not liking something. I may have to format / reinstall Vista on its partition, and that would wipe everything ( drivers, etc ) out correct? No data to lose so I'm not worried about that.

Any other things to check will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer

Originally posted by: TheJian
At least you don't have to lose any data. That's a good vid, yes. You should hit 3ghz easy then. I'd say 1.3v or before but I'm just guessing. If you're not stable I'd likely just jump to 1.3 knowing it's completely safe for that cpu. If it works great then back down until you find the breaking point in prime95. Should've recognized the EA I guess. I sell Antec...LOL. I have a super lanboy (for that matter so does my dad)...ROFL.

Agree with PolymerTim on the "have you been stable yet" question. 24hrs before I even bother starting to screw with things. Gotta have a good foundation before you build the house

Fresh OS is definitely best (not to mention easy). How long does it take to avoid problems? About an hour on these chips including basic driver installs. Your apps/games will obviously add to that. Sure is easier than troubleshooting messy drivers etc from an old board.

I'm idling at 45-50C on all four cores now at 267 mHz , stock 2.4gHz, so I may not have my cooler seated properly. I've got an Arctic Cooler 7 and my temps should be less at idle and 1.17 Volts I didn't apply any TIM, just used what was on the cooler already.

This might help you out.

 

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer

Originally posted by: DSF
I don't think you ever mentioned whether Vista works at stock speeds. If you did, I missed it. Have you tried that?

No, I haven't gotten into Vista at all at stock settings yet. I can run the install / repair DVD on start-up, but as soon as I try to load Vista it reboots. I only upped the the FSB to 333 mhz after all attempts failed at stock settings. I'm thinking now it is driver related--either chipset or video. The old mobo had an ATI card and the new one has onboard X3500. I have not run CCleaner yet and probably should when I get home.

Once I got the drivers squared away on the XP boot side, it cleared up and is stable. But Vista is not liking something. I may have to format / reinstall Vista on its partition, and that would wipe everything ( drivers, etc ) out correct? No data to lose so I'm not worried about that.

Any other things to check will be greatly appreciated.

Hehe, I bolded my favorite part. Yeah, I think the only problems right now are probably poor contact on your HSF and driver issues from the MB swap. I definitely think reinstalling Vista is the way to go. Good luck and let us know how it works.

 

[johnsonbrewer]

Thanks Martimus. I am going to do that next opportunity tonight.

As far as my other problems with Vista, I decided to reinstall and that got me a lot closer being fixed. I also had to go to Intel's site to download updated G35 drivers, the ones on my mobo cd weren't up to par I guess.

Maybe I can start stability testing tonight afterall. Thanks everybody.

 

[johnsonbrewer]

Originally posted by: PolymerTim

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer

Originally posted by: DSF
I don't think you ever mentioned whether Vista works at stock speeds. If you did, I missed it. Have you tried that?

No, I haven't gotten into Vista at all at stock settings yet. I can run the install / repair DVD on start-up, but as soon as I try to load Vista it reboots. I only upped the the FSB to 333 mhz after all attempts failed at stock settings. I'm thinking now it is driver related--either chipset or video. The old mobo had an ATI card and the new one has onboard X3500. I have not run CCleaner yet and probably should when I get home.

Once I got the drivers squared away on the XP boot side, it cleared up and is stable. But Vista is not liking something. I may have to format / reinstall Vista on its partition, and that would wipe everything ( drivers, etc ) out correct? No data to lose so I'm not worried about that.

Any other things to check will be greatly appreciated.

Hehe, I bolded my favorite part. Yeah, I think the only problems right now are probably poor contact on your HSF and driver issues from the MB swap. I definitely think reinstalling Vista is the way to go. Good luck and let us know how it works.

Yeah I know it sounds like a big jump but with people running 400 to 500 mHz I felt ok doing it long enough to see if it would boot Vista. This chip should it 3.0 gHz with its eyes closed ( assuming adequate cooling of course ).

I may be back for more questions later, Thanks PT

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer
Thanks Martimus. I am going to do that next opportunity tonight.

As far as my other problems with Vista, I decided to reinstall and that got me a lot closer being fixed. I also had to go to Intel's site to download updated G35 drivers, the ones on my mobo cd weren't up to par I guess.

Maybe I can start stability testing tonight afterall. Thanks everybody.

No problem. I hope you get it working the way you want.

 

[PolymerTim]

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer

Originally posted by: PolymerTim

Originally posted by: johnsonbrewer

Originally posted by: DSF
I don't think you ever mentioned whether Vista works at stock speeds. If you did, I missed it. Have you tried that?

No, I haven't gotten into Vista at all at stock settings yet. I can run the install / repair DVD on start-up, but as soon as I try to load Vista it reboots. I only upped the the FSB to 333 mhz after all attempts failed at stock settings. I'm thinking now it is driver related--either chipset or video. The old mobo had an ATI card and the new one has onboard X3500. I have not run CCleaner yet and probably should when I get home.

Once I got the drivers squared away on the XP boot side, it cleared up and is stable. But Vista is not liking something. I may have to format / reinstall Vista on its partition, and that would wipe everything ( drivers, etc ) out correct? No data to lose so I'm not worried about that.

Any other things to check will be greatly appreciated.

Hehe, I bolded my favorite part. Yeah, I think the only problems right now are probably poor contact on your HSF and driver issues from the MB swap. I definitely think reinstalling Vista is the way to go. Good luck and let us know how it works.

Yeah I know it sounds like a big jump but with people running 400 to 500 mHz I felt ok doing it long enough to see if it would boot Vista. This chip should it 3.0 gHz with its eyes closed ( assuming adequate cooling of course ).

I may be back for more questions later, Thanks PT

Oh, I completely agree that you should easily hit 3.0 GHz and its probably worth a shot trying it without full stability testing at stock. It was the fact that you went there after having issues at stock that got me laughing.

Best of luck to you!

 

[lopri]

Try different memory dividers. I noticed my P5E-VM trying to boot with CL3 (3-4-4-8) when memory was at 800MHz.

 

[johnsonbrewer]

It was Vista. Had to do a fresh install, reload mobo drivers, reload some intel chipset drivers, then VOILA! Vista is booting stable. And dual-booting properly with XP.

So now, I'm clear to start stability testing.

However I need to get my CPU fan speed up first, its at 900 rpm and has a max of 2200 so I need to enable / disable some fan control stuff in bios and then its off to the races.

Thanks again guys.