First Job - Good Offer?

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[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Papagayo
Pretty good offer from Cleveland..

If it was in Chicago, New York, or West Coast.. then it would be low. I would think..

These prices are so out of wack around the country. In Philly, $50k a year is a pretty good job, while in NY, it's nothing.

Then again, I can buy a pretty big house in this area for $275k, whereas in other areas you couldn't get anything for that price.

 

[thirdlegstump]

Congrats. Best of luck.

 

[wasssup]

I'd take it. If you see something even better at a later time you can always change your mind
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[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ameesh
its a bit low even for ohio, starting salaries in pacific nw for cs grads is between ~80k with a 10k signing bonus, places like SF or NYC are a bit higher.

52K is pretty low, i defintely wouldn't take it

Not everyone can be an overpaid coder at amazon like you
52K plus benefits in suburban cleveland is like making 100K in major metropolitan areas like SF or NYC.

OP: You would be a bit of a fool to pass up an offer like that right out of school at a firm you've been interning with.

lol I thought Ameesh was being sarcastic. Maybe he still thinks that CS grads make 80k out of college. That was like more than 4-5 years ago.

It is a GREAT offer. Decent offer even in CA for straight out of school.

actually most companies around hire people around that rate today, if you have worked for the company as an intern and they know you are good they should be making you an offer in the upper 60s minimum. everyone has good benefits for full time jobs in the market you are looking at. the market is great right now for employees, employers have to be competitive.

don't listen to these guys, you need to negotiate it up. they are lowballing you.

 

[drum]

1. its your first job
2. Cleveland
3. There is no reason you shouldn't take it.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Ameesh
its a bit low even for ohio, starting salaries in pacific nw for cs grads is between ~80k with a 10k signing bonus, places like SF or NYC are a bit higher.

52K is pretty low, i defintely wouldn't take it

Not everyone can be an overpaid coder at amazon like you
52K plus benefits in suburban cleveland is like making 100K in major metropolitan areas like SF or NYC.

OP: You would be a bit of a fool to pass up an offer like that right out of school at a firm you've been interning with.

lol I thought Ameesh was being sarcastic. Maybe he still thinks that CS grads make 80k out of college. That was like more than 4-5 years ago.

It is a GREAT offer. Decent offer even in CA for straight out of school.

actually most companies around hire people around that rate today, if you have worked for the company as an intern and they know you are good they should be making you an offer in the upper 60s minimum. everyone has good benefits for full time jobs in the market you are looking at. the market is great right now for employees, employers have to be competitive.

don't listen to these guys, you need to negotiate it up. they are lowballing you.

Most companies around you?

For all you know, there's a difference between Microsoft, Amazon, Google and the others.

Yet you still don't get this is not the west coast or NYC.

$52K at where he lives is close to $80-90K in NYC.

Don't listen to this fool nomrah... take the job if you like the company & people. Its a good start.

 

[nomrah]

Sounds like it's mostly positive feedback.

It's a pretty good offer, should I even try to get anything more out of them? And if so what would be a figure I can give them that wouldn't be rude?

My parents also mentioned that I should inquire about them paying for future schooling ie a masters or MBA or something, since some companies do that.

 

[Descartes]

I agree with Ameesh, and others saying it's a great offer aren't likely that familiar with IT and the Cleveland market. The "It's $80k in NYC" is not a reasonable argument for more reasons than would be worthwhile to discuss. It's a decent offer, sure, but it's not great. Consultants at literally every worthwhile Cleveland firm bill out at at least ~$85/hr, and in most cases it's an average of ~$105. That's for your average non-lead SA/Dev in the Cleveland area. Billing rate is relevant for the obvious fact that you work at a consulting firm.

Oh, and for what it's worth, I do a lot of business in Cleveland and have close relationships with most of the major firms there. Some of my best friends are in management at these firms. I'm going to take a wild guess and say your office is in Beachwood?

 

[nomrah]

Originally posted by: Descartes
I'm going to take a wild guess and say your office is in Beachwood?

Lakewood, moving to Midtown Cleveland next year.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: nomrah

Originally posted by: Descartes
I'm going to take a wild guess and say your office is in Beachwood?

Lakewood, moving to Midtown Cleveland next year.

Oh, sorry, I saw you say that.

 

[Deeko]

Pretty good.

I'm also graduating with a B.S. in CS this spring. My offers on the table:
$20/hr part time until I graduate, then promotion to $55k
$72.2k

I'm still in the interview process, I've got a few more, one I know potentially pays $75k-$85k

God do I love the co-op process

 

[shuttleboi]

If you have time to hold off on this offer, don't take it yet. Look for other jobs and compare the offers side-by-side. Go to monster.com, post your resume, and you will start seeing companies contacting you the next day. Give yourself a 14-day window to go through all the interviews necessary, and at that point, if you have multiple offers, make a decision. You can play them off of each other, so you can ask your favourite company to match the highest offer or even ask for about 2% more than that if they really like you.

The lower your salary, the longer it will take for you to move up the salary ladder. At your next job, they will ask what you made at your last job, and they will probably offer only about a 10% increase. The best way to accelerate this process is by: (1) being really, really, really good at what you do (I'm talking 99th percentile, with tangible results to prove it); (2) work in a niche, specialised field with high demand; (3) go to grad school and get an advanced degree.