First! Go USA!

[HeroOfPellinor]

 

[SoylentGreen]

Yep.
Just hoping that our reasons will be proven.

 

[SgtBuddy]

Yeah, people are expecting this big huge discovery of WMD. We had enough on Iraq to go in without expecting a big cache of weapons.

 

[UNCjigga]

MODS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS FORUM!!!

/me leaves...hopefully never to return again

 

[Kyteland]

What I want to know is will this eventually migrate to a general current events forum, or will it only be around for the duration of the war.

 

[CPA]

Yeah, first Nef thread of this new forum.


I agree, BTW.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: SgtBuddy
Yeah, people are expecting this big huge discovery of WMD. We had enough on Iraq to go in without expecting a big cache of weapons.

Uhh? I thought we were "protecting the UN resolution" 1441 that prohibits Iraq from having WMD :Q

 

[shortylickens]

Reading this in 2022 makes me laugh. It also makes me sad.


Yeah, I bumped it.
What you gonna do?

 

[dank69]

Reading this in 2022 makes me laugh. It also makes me sad.


Yeah, I bumped it.
What you gonna do?

#3 aged well

 

[Jaskalas]

The biggest, most consequential modern example of the big lie?

 

[ivwshane]

The biggest, most consequential modern example of the big lie?

Yep and then like now, you had millions of Americans unwilling to hold those who lied accountable. In fact the same attitude they had back then is the same attitude they have now for anyone who is trying to hold politicians accountable.

Some lessons are never learned.

 

[cytg111]

It would nice to know who actually pulled the strings on that WMD narrative behind the curtains…

 

[shortylickens]

It would nice to know who actually pulled the strings on that WMD narrative behind the curtains…

People love blaming Cheney. Not sure if it was him, but he got the blame.

 

[Pohemi]

It would nice to know who actually pulled the strings on that WMD narrative behind the curtains…

People love blaming Cheney. Not sure if it was him, but he got the blame.

Don't forget Rumsfeld. He cannot be discluded from that clowncar.

 

[cytg111]

People love blaming Cheney. Not sure if it was him, but he got the blame.

I saw a documentary on that guy, I know every single narrative has some sort of bias and or agenda, but, like unless this dude had a late onset case of psychopath, for him to be scheming and orchestrating the US into that war, it seems unlikely.. More likely that he got played maybe? If so... who is the player(s)?

 

[cytg111]

Don't forget Rumsfeld. He cannot be discluded from that clowncar.

Its not a good look!

History unlikely to forgive Donald Rumsfeld’s Iraq warmongering

Analysis: reluctance to take heed of warnings that did not fit in with his worldview continues to burden the US government two decades on

www.theguardian.com

"After the 9/11 attacks, however, Rumsfeld and Cheney, together with Rumsfeld’s deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, emerged as radical warmongers driven by fear of worst-case scenarios with little or no basis in reality - in particular the idea that Saddam was allied with al-Qaida, had chemical and biological weapons, and was on the brink of building nuclear warheads. "

Fear is a hell of a drug.

 

[Commodus]

I still remember seeing a story on Fox News' site in 2003 that claimed they'd found WMD (buried, I believe)... and it vanished. That was already a red flag, but in hindsight it should have been a sound-the-alarm sign that Fox would be willing to outright lie in a situation where democracy or public safety was at stake.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yep and then like now, you had millions of Americans unwilling to hold those who lied accountable. In fact the same attitude they had back then is the same attitude they have now for anyone who is trying to hold politicians accountable.

Some lessons are never learned.

Case in point, the poster you quoted is just such a scummy piece of shit. In fact, he's been helping spread the far more recent and far worse version that mirrors the literal Big Lie of the Nazis for Republicans.

 

[Pohemi]

I still remember seeing a story on Fox News' site in 2003 that claimed they'd found WMD (buried, I believe)... and it vanished.

Weren't they screaming about WMDs in 91 during Operation Desert Storm as well, after we 'liberated' Kuwait? I vaguely recall something to that effect...maybe it was to justify sticking around longer in the region.

...Fear is a hell of a drug.

Yeah, and under the right circumstances, it's also an effective weapon in itself. That's how they got away with all the fuckery following 9/11.

 

[Commodus]

Weren't they screaming about WMDs in 91 during Operation Desert Storm as well, after we 'liberated' Kuwait? I vaguely recall something to that effect...maybe it was to justify sticking around longer in the region.

Maybe — I admittedly don't remember much. Before Desert Storm the focus was much more on atrocities in Kuwait (real or claimed) than anything.

I definitely remember the bait-and-switch from the run-up to 2003, though. The Bush administration tried to make it sound like Iraq was loaded with WMDs and that we'd all be doomed if we didn't invade now now now now now... and mysteriously, the focus switched to 'liberating' Iraq the moment an invasion was certain.

 

[shortylickens]

Well, to be fair Saddam claimed he had chemical weapons so its not unreasonable for the press to say he had chemical weapons.

 

[Jaskalas]

and mysteriously, the focus switched to 'liberating' Iraq the moment an invasion was certain.

Yeah, liberate them of their lives. Even today they suffer in the aftermath of chaos and carnage that we left in our wake. We created the void that ISIS filled. I wonder how the Iraqis fair today. If Mosul is still a bombed out husk, how much rebuilding could they achieve in so short a time?

 

[LikeLinus]

"After the 9/11 attacks, however, Rumsfeld and Cheney, together with Rumsfeld’s deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, emerged as radical warmongers driven by fear of worst-case scenarios with little or no basis in reality - in particular the idea that Saddam was allied with al-Qaida, had chemical and biological weapons, and was on the brink of building nuclear warheads. "

Fear is a hell of a drug.

Those two comments seem very contradictory.

How does that make sense? We had terrorist attacks on American soil, but they are claiming those people had "no basis in reality" of being fearful of something worse happening? How the hell is terrorist attacks NOT a basis of fear and reality. It really happened.

 

[Zorba]

MODS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS FORUM!!!

/me leaves...hopefully never to return again

That didn't last.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I can't remember if I posted this is another thread, but having the benefit of hindsight, of course it was a terrible thing that never should have been done in the first place (and I am very much anti-war unless it's an absolute last resort of WW2 proportions. Not US imperialism ventures).

Anyway, I was speaking to a colleague who is from Iraq, and she was telling me about her childhood growing up there in Baghdad and Basrah. She had many good memories.

But then it dawned on me that she is about the same age as me, give or take. Which meant it's entirely possible that the reason she is where she is today (not Iraq) is because we invaded her country for a lie and she fled abroad as a result. I didn't inquire, but the fact that it is even a possibility made me very, very sad.