first gaming pc build

[jordan221095]

i was wondering what the best things i could get for £1000 for just the pc itself not including the os as i already have a copy, also is it worth getting an ssd in the build thanks for any help

 

[lehtv]

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[jordan221095]

1.mainly gaming on ultra settings if that makes a difference
2. £1000 willing to increase it by 10%
3.UK
4.Scan.co.uk unless you know a better place its one of the only places i found
5. i have no brand bias
6. no
7. overclocking
8. 1080p
9. sorry if this one is awkward but either now or when the new line of amd and nvidia gpus come out i was going to ask if it is worth waiting because im not in a huge rush but I would still like to see what i could build with my money if I were to get it now

 

[lehtv]

Not worth waiting, new hardware is still a long way away.

3570K £165
Thermalright HR-02 Macho £38
Asrock Z77 Extreme4 £102
2x4GB G.SKill Ares £40
Gigabyte 7950 WF3 £240
Samsung 840 250GB £129
Seagate ST1000DM003 £55 (if you need it)
DVD-RW £15
XFX 550W £49
Fractal Design R4 £80
Win 7 or Win8 £73

= £986

 

[jordan221095]

thanks but i dont need a copy of an os i have a copy is there anything else i could do with that money ?

 

[mfenn]

thanks but i dont need a copy of an os i have a copy is there anything else i could do with that money ?

You could get a 7970 and double the RAM to 16 GB. That's not great value for money though.

 

[Sleepingforest]

I would personally look to see if I could get a larger SSD, which will probably have a bigger impact on your usage than anything else.

 

[lehtv]

Larger than 250GB? How would that impact anything

 

[Vectronic]

Yeah I don't think going larger would help, if it's *just* a gaming rig, you don't really need that much space, you would get a better speed increase by splitting the SSD.

Instead of 250/256GB get a 60/64GB (boot drive) and a 120/128GB (games drive, that's about 8 to 10 large games)

That will still leave you with about 30 to 40GB's on your boot drive for smaller apps, music, etc.

Edit: I would pretty much agree with Lehtv's choices, it's actually a couple details aside the config I basically ended up with, though not for gaming reasons. (low end video card, smaller SSD, emphasis on form over function)

Your chosen website/retailers website is retarded and I gave up trying to build a config... so just +1 to lehtv's except I might change the cooler, not because it's bad, just because it's gigantic and might interfere with the A1 RAM slot.

 

[lehtv]

60+128 will cost about the same as a 250...

HR-02's heatsink will not interfere with RAM slots, only the fan will hang over the first slot. So to access the first slot all you need to do is remove the fan for a while.

 

[Vectronic]

That's what I meant.

You said 250GB
SleepingForest said bigger = better.
I said better = split drives.

It won't interfere permanently, as in the metal hanging over... but:

+

Doesn't sit well with me.

 

[lehtv]

That's what I meant.

Yeah I was just clarifying to the OP

You said 250GB
SleepingForest said bigger = better.
I said better = split drives.

I pointed out that your split drives idea gives less capacity for the same total cost. The difference in performance from separating the OS from the games is not really even noticeable, and games don't need uber fast disk performance. Even a 7200RPM is fine for games. Therefore it's not worth sacrificing space for.

If games did need uber fast disk performance, 120GB x2 would make more sense since you could RAID 0 them and thus double the maximum read and write.

It won't interfere permanently, as in the metal hanging over... but:

*snip*

Doesn't sit well with me.

OK. Personally I'm not bothered at all. I have a similar setup with Scythe Mugen 2 and during almost 3 years I've never had to get access to the RAM modules after first installing them. It'd be a 10 second job to remove the fan anyway, so I honestly don't see the issue.

 

[Sleepingforest]

I just think bigger SSD = more stuff on it. I don't know how much you were planning on using, but after the OS, programs, drivers, and miscellaneous gaming things (Steam, Ubisoft's super paranoid launcher), I have room for around 6-8 games at a time (six if I want to leave some extra room for performance).

Also, what is happening in that second picture (with the fan)? I can't tell on my phone screen.

 

[lehtv]

Also, what is happening in that second picture (with the fan)? I can't tell on my phone screen.

It shows the fan overshadowing the memory module.

 

[mfenn]

Yeah I don't think going larger would help, if it's *just* a gaming rig, you don't really need that much space, you would get a better speed increase by splitting the SSD.

Instead of 250/256GB get a 60/64GB (boot drive) and a 120/128GB (games drive, that's about 8 to 10 large games)

No, that's a really terrible idea for a couple of reasons.

First, SSDs are inherently parallel devices and smaller SSDs are slower. Most drives don't fully populate their controllers until the 256GB model. The 64GB models are quite a lot slower than the 256GB models.

Second, an SSDs performance is directly proportional to the amount of free space on the drive. The more free space, the better your performance. Basic set theory tells you that you will run into inefficiencies when you partition up your available space (not to mention that you have less to begin with) that result in a higher proportion of used space on each drive. Ergo, even lower performance.

 

[Vectronic]

You're going to have to prove that.

64GB Vs 256GB of the same make/model... might be slower with some makes, but you can't say any 64GB is going to be slower than any other 256GB SSD.

SSD, HDD, Hot water tank is slower the more it's filled.

It would be retarded to buy a 512GB SSD then pack it with 40GBs of stuff in an attempt to get an extra MB/s over your existing 500MB/s.

 

[lehtv]

You're going to have to prove that.

64GB Vs 256GB of the same make/model... might be slower with some makes, but you can't say any 64GB is going to be slower than any other 256GB SSD.

He didn't. He was referring to the drives of same make/model, and the increase in speed going from 64GB to 128GB or 256GB is true for pretty much every model out there. Some examples:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/704?vs=641
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/426?vs=355
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/591?vs=589
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/744?vs=730
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/534?vs=532
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/742?vs=665

It would be retarded to buy a 512GB SSD then pack it with 40GBs of stuff in an attempt to get an extra MB/s over your existing 500MB/s.

Yep, it would

 

[Sleepingforest]

You're going to have to prove that.

Go to the Anandtech SSD Bench and compare within the same model.
For every single model of SSD and controller type, you will see improvements with the size of it. Likewise, there is an Anandtech article detailing the benefits of leaving 1/4 of your drive empty.

 

[Smoblikat]

You're going to have to prove that.

64GB Vs 256GB of the same make/model... might be slower with some makes, but you can't say any 64GB is going to be slower than any other 256GB SSD.

SSD, HDD, Hot water tank is slower the more it's filled.

It would be retarded to buy a 512GB SSD then pack it with 40GBs of stuff in an attempt to get an extra MB/s over your existing 500MB/s.

thats not what he said at all.....

 

[mfenn]

He didn't. He was referring to the drives of same make/model, and the increase in speed going from 64GB to 128GB or 256GB is true for pretty much every model out there. Some examples:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/704?vs=641
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/426?vs=355
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/591?vs=589
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/744?vs=730
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/534?vs=532
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/742?vs=665

Go to the Anandtech SSD Bench and compare within the same model.
For every single model of SSD and controller type, you will see improvements with the size of it. Likewise, there is an Anandtech article detailing the benefits of leaving 1/4 of your drive empty.

thats not what he said at all.....

Thanks guys. I didn't think that what I said was all that confusing, glad it wasn't for most people.