First FULL review of the Zalman CNPS9500 LED!!!

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WLDock

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Originally posted by: domoMKIV
thats a pretty neat lookin cooler....
dont know if its good enough to sway me from watercooling though.

edit: just finished reading the review 80 bucks retail!?!?:confused:
im sticking with my watercooling


Why would a guy that has invested in a water-cooling rig go to air? I really don't think that is Zalman's target market?
I would guess that they are looking for people that are on the fence deciding if they want to go water.

I for one fall into that category....I am looking for some good cooling before I OC and I was looking at the cheaper boxed water kits. These don't seem to cool much better than a big air cooler like the XP-120, XP-90, Big Typhoon, etc. and cost more. So...I was going to get one of the 120mm coolers then.....Zalman announced the 9500 would be coming out.

So far it looks to be the best option for someone like myself that doesn?t want to spend big bucks on a GOOD water kit but wants better cooling than the current 120mm coolers.
And to all that say the price is too much, look at what an XP-120 and a good fan cost.....and look how popular it is. People will pay for performance!
 

JEDIYoda

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Why would a guy that has invested in a water-cooling rig go to air? I really don't think that is Zalman's target market?
I would guess that they are looking for people that are on the fence deciding if they want to go water.


I would agree but what is turning out to be a trend amoung those who have been fortunate enough to review the new Zalman CPU cooler is that it is iether as good or within an acceptable variance that their is no sense in getting a water cooled rig unless it is the a highend water cooler!!

But I would agree with you that if you have water cooling you will at least be as good or marginally better than the Zalman!!
 

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My question is there an AlCu version coming out:) According to the Xbit specs, this things alot lighter than the 7000Cu already.
 

Unkno

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not much need for an AlCU one since the weight isn't a problem with these ones anymore...only advantage i can see is the price difference

AND, for the person who said why go to air when you already have water, ever heard of the word: RISK? IMO, it's not worth it going to water with the risk of dmging your parts. There is still a very slight risk even by very high quality parts and installed properly.
 

KoolHonda

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It's still overweight unless the Zalman specs are wrong. Not only that, but it's "hanging out on a limb" so to speak, and will add an extra lever/torque effect on the mounting bracket. I don't move my rig around alot, but that much stress would worry me when I do have to move it.
 

Unkno

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530g weighs a lot? you should see the 7700CU then...almost 1kg. XP-90 with fan weighs around 480g or so
 

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Originally posted by: KoolHonda
My question is there an AlCu version coming out

I'm all up for an AlCu version that weights and costs 2/3 as much, for 99/100 the performance.
 

KoolHonda

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Originally posted by: Unkno
530g weighs a lot? you should see the 7700CU then...almost 1kg. XP-90 with fan weighs around 480g or so
Most of the weight of an 7700 is very close to the mounting points, not hanging out in midair. Hold a weight at the base of your finger, then try and hold it on the tip of your finger. It's simple physics;) And while I'm confident Zalman has made sure it will stand up in stationary use, I'm not too sure about when I have to move the rig and dynamic forces come into play.
 

JEDIYoda

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I don`t see weight being an issue.....as was stated most of the weight appears to be centered on the base.
 

Unkno

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yeah, the base is where that big copper block with the connected heatpipes located at
 

BonzaiDuck

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URGENT HEADS UP

I, myself, just found the X-Bit Labs review, and drilled down to the relevant material on pages 5, 6 and 7.

We all know X-bit Labs ? they often produce good benchmarks of products with reliable data and conclusions. However, now I have doubts.

The table on page six only provides load temperature values. We would like to have the idle values, from which we could compute thermal resistance given the TDP posted at Intel for the 521 processor. I'm still searching for reseller descriptions of the 521, and should probably go directly to Intel. But the 520 processor is a Prescott core running at 2.8 Ghz; the 531 processor is a Prescott core running at 3.0 Ghz.

The reviewer says he over-clocked the test-bed to between 4.0 and 4.2 Ghz, but this would represent a 50% over-clocking above the stock values. I have not heard of such record-setting increases in stable clock speeds with either air or water-cooling systems. I believe I recalled reading of cases where 40% over-clocks were achieved with Vapo-Chill -- keeping the core cooled to near freezing. Please correct me if my seat-of-the-pants recollections are incorrect.

Now the 531 processor has a stock front-side-bus speed of 800 Mhz (hence the 521 would also have the same FSB), although the test-bed motherboard is capable of 1066 Mhz. The reviewer cites using Corsair TwinX1024-4300C3 modules, which would be equivalent to DDR2-533's. If it were even possible to get an over-clock of 50%, he would have to choose a divider different from 1:1 unless he were running these modules at 600 Mhz and beyond their rated speed.

For further comparison, my XP120 ThermalRight cooler has a thermal resistance of 0.167, installed on a Northwood 3.0C processor which has a TDP value of around 80 watts. This would give an idle-to-load temperature spread of 13C, and I have confirmed that independently -- indeed, the difference between my load and idle temperatures is 13C degrees -- well, more like 12.7C. Since the Zalman 7700 cooler has a thermal resistance of 0.19, I would expect a similar drop in load temperatures for my XP120 and Northwood processor, which seems ridiculous: there would be no variation of load from idle temperature at all.

While I have not done the careful math, and I'm comparing my Northwood with the Prescott core in the review, I am reserved about my statements in the paragraph above in regard to that comparison. But the TDP of the test-bed processor cannot be greater than 120 watts. So you would expect that a 13C drop between the CNPS-7700 and the CNPS-9500 would translate into a 13C drop for my Northwood -- at least that.

I believe we have stumbled on a bogus review designed to hype the Zalman CNPS-9500 cooler.

I encourage additional comments here, and I would agree with someone who posted previously to say that we want to look at several reviews before we agree that this cooler is really as great as either Zalman or X-Bit Labs says it is.

What frightens me most here is that X-Bit Labs had previously commanded more trust from me. I thought I had been impressed earlier at their scientific approach in these matters. Perhaps it is a matter of the way they obtain their reviews, and this time, a bad one slipped past.

Wake up, X-Bit Labs!

 

Unkno

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Originally posted by: BonzaiDuck
URGENT HEADS UP

I, myself, just found the X-Bit Labs review, and drilled down to the relevant material on pages 5, 6 and 7.

We all know X-bit Labs ? they often produce good benchmarks of products with reliable data and conclusions. However, now I have doubts.

The table on page six only provides load temperature values. We would like to have the idle values, from which we could compute thermal resistance given the TDP posted at Intel for the 521 processor. I'm still searching for reseller descriptions of the 521, and should probably go directly to Intel. But the 520 processor is a Prescott core running at 2.8 Ghz; the 531 processor is a Prescott core running at 3.0 Ghz.

The reviewer says he over-clocked the test-bed to between 4.0 and 4.2 Ghz, but this would represent a 50% over-clocking above the stock values. I have not heard of such record-setting increases in stable clock speeds with either air or water-cooling systems. I believe I recalled reading of cases where 40% over-clocks were achieved with Vapo-Chill -- keeping the core cooled to near freezing. Please correct me if my seat-of-the-pants recollections are incorrect.

Now the 531 processor has a stock front-side-bus speed of 800 Mhz (hence the 521 would also have the same FSB), although the test-bed motherboard is capable of 1066 Mhz. The reviewer cites using Corsair TwinX1024-4300C3 modules, which would be equivalent to DDR2-533's. If it were even possible to get an over-clock of 50%, he would have to choose a divider different from 1:1 unless he were running these modules at 600 Mhz and beyond their rated speed.

For further comparison, my XP120 ThermalRight cooler has a thermal resistance of 0.167, installed on a Northwood 3.0C processor which has a TDP value of around 80 watts. This would give an idle-to-load temperature spread of 13C, and I have confirmed that independently -- indeed, the difference between my load and idle temperatures is 13C degrees -- well, more like 12.7C. Since the Zalman 7700 cooler has a thermal resistance of 0.19, I would expect a similar drop in load temperatures for my XP120 and Northwood processor, which seems ridiculous: there would be no variation of load from idle temperature at all.

While I have not done the careful math, and I'm comparing my Northwood with the Prescott core in the review, I am reserved about my statements in the paragraph above in regard to that comparison. But the TDP of the test-bed processor cannot be greater than 120 watts. So you would expect that a 13C drop between the CNPS-7700 and the CNPS-9500 would translate into a 13C drop for my Northwood -- at least that.

I believe we have stumbled on a bogus review designed to hype the Zalman CNPS-9500 cooler.

I encourage additional comments here, and I would agree with someone who posted previously to say that we want to look at several reviews before we agree that this cooler is really as great as either Zalman or X-Bit Labs says it is.

What frightens me most here is that X-Bit Labs had previously commanded more trust from me. I thought I had been impressed earlier at their scientific approach in these matters. Perhaps it is a matter of the way they obtain their reviews, and this time, a bad one slipped past.

Wake up, X-Bit Labs!


Well, there is another review, Text, this review did show the idle and load temps and the 9500 was compared to the amd stock and another heatsink.