First Drive: 2005 Legacy & Outback @ SubDriven

[NFS4]

http://www.subdriven.com/artman/publish/article_177.shtml

 

[fs5]

is subdriven a part of vwv?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Combined with a price of $25,995 for the 2.5GT and $29,695 for the 2.5GT Limited, the Legacy 2.5GT marks a nice blend of performance, comfort, and refinement in the mid-sized sedan marketplace.

$26K is certainly doobale, but I think $29K is reaching considering the competition. What will the Spec B version cost? $35K?

 

[RagingBITCH]

Interesting. I will say though - I wasn't thoroughly impressed by the interior materials of the Legacy I sat in at the Dallas Auto Show. It could have been much better. The suspension/engine though is mouth watering though.

 

[NFS4]

With the relase of the Legacy, the Acura TSX = OWNED 😛

 

[NutBucket]

Sweeeeeet. Better start saving even more...😀

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Interesting. I will say though - I wasn't thoroughly impressed by the interior materials of the Legacy I sat in at the Dallas Auto Show. It could have been much better. The suspension/engine though is mouth watering though.

They had this car at Dallas show?:|

I was so looking forward to seeing it but it wasn't at the LA show.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Interesting. I will say though - I wasn't thoroughly impressed by the interior materials of the Legacy I sat in at the Dallas Auto Show. It could have been much better. The suspension/engine though is mouth watering though.

I agree. I sat in the one at the ATL show, and there were MANY flews, but I shrugged them off as being pre-production car faults. We'll see...

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Interesting. I will say though - I wasn't thoroughly impressed by the interior materials of the Legacy I sat in at the Dallas Auto Show. It could have been much better. The suspension/engine though is mouth watering though.

They had this car at Dallas show?:|

I was so looking forward to seeing it but it wasn't at the LA show.

http://www.melvinchu.com/DallasShow/pages/DCP_1994.htm

Next picture as well. I didn't take any of the interior b/c I wasn't impressed by it. But the Dallas Auto Show is the largest auto show in the country, just a fyi 🙂

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NFS4
With the relase of the Legacy, the Acura TSX = OWNED 😛

Those cars aren't really competing for the same market.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Interesting. I will say though - I wasn't thoroughly impressed by the interior materials of the Legacy I sat in at the Dallas Auto Show. It could have been much better. The suspension/engine though is mouth watering though.

I agree. I sat in the one at the ATL show, and there were MANY flews, but I shrugged them off as being pre-production car faults. We'll see...

Yea. The thing is - the GT starts at $29,995. No car for ~$30K should have an average par quality interior. Hopefully you're right about it being preproduction flaws.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: NFS4
With the relase of the Legacy, the Acura TSX = OWNED 😛

Those cars aren't really competing for the same market.

No matter how striking this new Legacy may look, feel, and drive, Subaru's biggest challenge will be the competition against which the legacy is positioned. With Subaru aiming its sights on cars such as the Infiniti G35, Acura TSX, and Volvo S40, the future will not be easy for the new Legacy. However, with its combination of useable power, accommodating interior and overall refinement from the previous generation, it should make this an interesting year for those consumers shopping in the mid-size sedan market. Combined with a price of $25,995 for the 2.5GT and $29,695 for the 2.5GT Limited, the Legacy 2.5GT marks a nice blend of performance, comfort, and refinement in the mid-sized sedan marketplace

 

[EvilYoda]

Nice...it'll be just outside of my price range, I'm sure, but I seriously love that car after sitting in it at the NAIAS. Maybe a GM discount would help...lol.

 

[NutBucket]

Oiy. Please don't say Subaru has gone the way of Nissan interiors🙁 I so want this car (unless the interior blows).

 

[GTaudiophile]

I don't think a turboed H4 can compete with a Acura TL or Infiniti G35 at $29K.

In the end, I can afford that, but I might be just as happy with a Mazda 3 and keep $10-12K in the bank.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: NutBucket
Oiy. Please don't say Subaru has gone the way of Nissan interiors🙁 I so want this car (unless the interior blows).

Like I said, the interior of the one I sat in just seemed well worn and not well assembled. Stuff was falling apart in too many places.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: NFS4
With the relase of the Legacy, the Acura TSX = OWNED 😛

Those cars aren't really competing for the same market.

The TSX is nothing but a Euro Accord 4-banger with an Acura badge on it so why not?? It'd compete more with the TSX than it would with something like the TL IMHO.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: NFS4
With the relase of the Legacy, the Acura TSX = OWNED 😛

Those cars aren't really competing for the same market.

No matter how striking this new Legacy may look, feel, and drive, Subaru's biggest challenge will be the competition against which the legacy is positioned. With Subaru aiming its sights on cars such as the Infiniti G35, Acura TSX, and Volvo S40, the future will not be easy for the new Legacy. However, with its combination of useable power, accommodating interior and overall refinement from the previous generation, it should make this an interesting year for those consumers shopping in the mid-size sedan market. Combined with a price of $25,995 for the 2.5GT and $29,695 for the 2.5GT Limited, the Legacy 2.5GT marks a nice blend of performance, comfort, and refinement in the mid-sized sedan marketplace

huh, well the thing is the TSX was supposed to compete against the 325 and A4, which are luxo brands and subaru isn't.

That being said, the TSX was never really that compelling of a sports sedan. Too heavy, too weak. If you compare based only on performance, the legacy will probably mop the floor with the TSX.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: NFS4
With the relase of the Legacy, the Acura TSX = OWNED 😛

Those cars aren't really competing for the same market.

No matter how striking this new Legacy may look, feel, and drive, Subaru's biggest challenge will be the competition against which the legacy is positioned. With Subaru aiming its sights on cars such as the Infiniti G35, Acura TSX, and Volvo S40, the future will not be easy for the new Legacy. However, with its combination of useable power, accommodating interior and overall refinement from the previous generation, it should make this an interesting year for those consumers shopping in the mid-size sedan market. Combined with a price of $25,995 for the 2.5GT and $29,695 for the 2.5GT Limited, the Legacy 2.5GT marks a nice blend of performance, comfort, and refinement in the mid-sized sedan marketplace

huh, well the thing is the TSX was supposed to compete against the 325 and A4, which are luxo brands and subaru isn't.

That being said, the TSX was never really that compelling of a sports sedan. Too heavy, too weak. If you compare based only on performance, the legacy will probably mop the floor with the TSX.

Acura isn't a luxury brand either really. They're more of a sport/niche player. Sorta like Saab or Volvo (and to a lesser extent, BMW at the 3 and 5 levels). I don't consider them luxury either. None of their cars really scream "LUXURY"

Now Lexus, Mercedes, Jaguar, and Audi just ooze luxury.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
But the Dallas Auto Show is the largest auto show in the country, just a fyi 🙂

I think that title goes to NAIAS in Detroit.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Acura isn't a luxury brand either really. They're more of a sport/niche player. Sorta like Saab or Volvo (and to a lesser extent, BMW at the 3 and 5 levels). I don't consider them luxury either. None of their cars really scream "LUXURY"

Now Lexus, Mercedes, Jaguar, and Audi just ooze luxury.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but Acura is for all intents and purposes Honda's upscale brand. Have you seen the IS300 and C class interiors? They aren't particularly good in this day and age.

 

[Vic]

Living in the Subaru capital of the US, I can tell you that the people who buy Legacies are not the same people who buy TSX's. Nor G35's.
It's a niche market, as FHI will happily tell you. Legacies are Volvos or Audis for a lot lower price, or SUV's without the stigma. In return, you give up some image and some interior quality, but as Legacy buyers are more concerned about function, safety, reliability, and performance than image, they think that's a fair trade-off (as long as the interior is still somewhat upscale).

edit: to clarify, Legacy buyers really are the same people who would have bought an Accord or a Camry, but want more. They want AWD and a suspension better suited to inclement weather and driving conditions, but they didn't want to pay for an Audi or a Volvo, they see SUV's as ostentatious and/or wasteful, and BMW's and Mercedes as out of their price range. Legacy buyers are more likely to be democrat, and more likely to have a government job, like a school teacher.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: NFS4
Acura isn't a luxury brand either really. They're more of a sport/niche player. Sorta like Saab or Volvo (and to a lesser extent, BMW at the 3 and 5 levels). I don't consider them luxury either. None of their cars really scream "LUXURY"

Now Lexus, Mercedes, Jaguar, and Audi just ooze luxury.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion, but Acura is for all intents and purposes Honda's upscale brand. Have you seen the IS300 and C class interiors? They aren't particularly good in this day and age.

Just b/c Acura is Honda's upscale division doesn't make it luxury. They have no RWD large sedans, they have no V8 engines, they until recently didn't even bother to put real wood trim in their cars and instead preferred to use plastic.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Acura is merely a sidestepping, slightly higher level Honda brand rather than being on a totally different plain.

Lexus models for the most part totally overshadow Toyota brand vehicles. A Camry would shiver next to an '06 GS430 or an LS430 or a LX470 or an SC430.

Stack a loaded Accord EX up against a TL and it would merely look a little intimidated, but stand its ground.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Just b/c Acura is Honda's upscale division doesn't make it luxury. They have no RWD large sedans, they have no V8 engines, they until recently didn't even bother to put real wood trim in their cars and instead preferred to use plastic.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Acura is merely a sidestepping, slightly higher level Honda brand rather than being on a totally different plain.

Lexus models for the most part totally overshadow Toyota brand vehicles. A Camry would shiver next to an '06 GS430 or an LS430 or a LX470 or an SC430.

Stack a loaded Accord EX up against a TL and it would merely look a little intimidated, but stand its ground.

Do you argue just for the sake of arguing? Geez. Your comparison is messed up because the TL/accord share the same platform where as the Camry and GS/LS don't. Why don't reword your tirade to say something like accord vs new RL and ES vs camry.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: NFS4
Just b/c Acura is Honda's upscale division doesn't make it luxury. They have no RWD large sedans, they have no V8 engines, they until recently didn't even bother to put real wood trim in their cars and instead preferred to use plastic.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Acura is merely a sidestepping, slightly higher level Honda brand rather than being on a totally different plain.

Lexus models for the most part totally overshadow Toyota brand vehicles. A Camry would shiver next to an '06 GS430 or an LS430 or a LX470 or an SC430.

Stack a loaded Accord EX up against a TL and it would merely look a little intimidated, but stand its ground.

Do you argue just for the sake of arguing? Geez. Your comparison is messed up because the TL/accord share the same platform where as the Camry and GS/LS don't. Why don't reword your tirade to say something like accord vs new RL and ES vs camry.

You just proved my point!!!!!! All Acura is, is a bunch of re-engineered Civics/Accords with no unique platforms to its name (save for the NSX)

TL = Accord
TSX = Accord
RL = Accord
MDX = previous generation Accord/Odyssey platform
RSX = Civic

Lexus has the ES300/Camry, LX470/Land Cruiser, GX470/4-Runner. But then again, they have seperate RWD platforms that differentiate it from its lesser Toyota brand:

IS
GS
LS
SC