Originally posted by: NFS4
Quite well?? You might want to wipe that grin off your face
The Trailblazer and Envoy I can sorta understand...high end and low-end. Even so, there is a bit of price overlap. 100,000/48,000 respectively so far this year.
The Bravada is a lame excuse. Oldsmobile is dead, so why even bother with the SUV. I think they've killed it already. 3,900 units sold this year...pitiful
The Ascender is a lame attempt at reviving Isuzu's sales with a rebadged Envoy. Note to GM, there IS NO SAVING Isuzu. They are dead in the water. The Ascender is one of the WORST selling SUV's on the market. Only sold 1,600 units since January.
The Rainier is another lame attempt to milk the cow.
And NOW, they are going to do a Saab SUV on the same platform?? And GM wonders why they have to give so many discounts and why their vehicles sit on the lot. TOO MUCH MARKET SATURATION with TOO MANY SIMILAR PRODUCTS!!!
GM and Ford need to learn how to differentiate their models using a SINGLE platform, they could save a bunch of money right off the bat. Look at Toyota:
Camry
Avalon
Solara
Highlander
Sienna
ES300
RX330
Just looking at them, you'd never know they shared the same basic chassis/powertrain. You've got three sedans, a coupe, two SUV's and a minivan. Intead of sharing sheetmetal and interior parts, GM and Ford needs to buckle down and start setting things straight. I mean, where else could you go and find the same basic dash in an Escalade that you see in an $18,000 Chevy pickup?
I mean, who is going to be fooled into believing that this is nothing more than a Ford Escape tarted up for numbnuts who don't have a clue?
Mercury Mariner
Badge engineering is suck!!!!
Originally posted by: Cfour
Originally posted by: NFS4
Quite well?? You might want to wipe that grin off your face
The Trailblazer and Envoy I can sorta understand...high end and low-end. Even so, there is a bit of price overlap. 100,000/48,000 respectively so far this year.
The Bravada is a lame excuse. Oldsmobile is dead, so why even bother with the SUV. I think they've killed it already. 3,900 units sold this year...pitiful
The Ascender is a lame attempt at reviving Isuzu's sales with a rebadged Envoy. Note to GM, there IS NO SAVING Isuzu. They are dead in the water. The Ascender is one of the WORST selling SUV's on the market. Only sold 1,600 units since January.
The Rainier is another lame attempt to milk the cow.
And NOW, they are going to do a Saab SUV on the same platform?? And GM wonders why they have to give so many discounts and why their vehicles sit on the lot. TOO MUCH MARKET SATURATION with TOO MANY SIMILAR PRODUCTS!!!
GM and Ford need to learn how to differentiate their models using a SINGLE platform, they could save a bunch of money right off the bat. Look at Toyota:
Camry
Avalon
Solara
Highlander
Sienna
ES300
RX330
Just looking at them, you'd never know they shared the same basic chassis/powertrain. You've got three sedans, a coupe, two SUV's and a minivan. Intead of sharing sheetmetal and interior parts, GM and Ford needs to buckle down and start setting things straight. I mean, where else could you go and find the same basic dash in an Escalade that you see in an $18,000 Chevy pickup?
I mean, who is going to be fooled into believing that this is nothing more than a Ford Escape tarted up for numbnuts who don't have a clue?
Mercury Mariner
Badge engineering is suck!!!!
Camry, Avalon, and ES300 are pretty obvious IMO.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Cfour
Originally posted by: NFS4
Quite well?? You might want to wipe that grin off your face
The Trailblazer and Envoy I can sorta understand...high end and low-end. Even so, there is a bit of price overlap. 100,000/48,000 respectively so far this year.
The Bravada is a lame excuse. Oldsmobile is dead, so why even bother with the SUV. I think they've killed it already. 3,900 units sold this year...pitiful
The Ascender is a lame attempt at reviving Isuzu's sales with a rebadged Envoy. Note to GM, there IS NO SAVING Isuzu. They are dead in the water. The Ascender is one of the WORST selling SUV's on the market. Only sold 1,600 units since January.
The Rainier is another lame attempt to milk the cow.
And NOW, they are going to do a Saab SUV on the same platform?? And GM wonders why they have to give so many discounts and why their vehicles sit on the lot. TOO MUCH MARKET SATURATION with TOO MANY SIMILAR PRODUCTS!!!
GM and Ford need to learn how to differentiate their models using a SINGLE platform, they could save a bunch of money right off the bat. Look at Toyota:
Camry
Avalon
Solara
Highlander
Sienna
ES300
RX330
Just looking at them, you'd never know they shared the same basic chassis/powertrain. You've got three sedans, a coupe, two SUV's and a minivan. Intead of sharing sheetmetal and interior parts, GM and Ford needs to buckle down and start setting things straight. I mean, where else could you go and find the same basic dash in an Escalade that you see in an $18,000 Chevy pickup?
I mean, who is going to be fooled into believing that this is nothing more than a Ford Escape tarted up for numbnuts who don't have a clue?
Mercury Mariner
Badge engineering is suck!!!!
Camry, Avalon, and ES300 are pretty obvious IMO.
They look nothing alike, have completely different interiors and exteriors, and don't share any external body panels/glass/interior trim parts (well, with maybe the exception of steering wheels on the Avalon and Camry). Even further with interiors, the ES300 is leaps and bounds ahead of the Camry and Avalon. Can't say that for the Trailblazer vs Rainier.
The ES300 and Avalon are straight up ugly IMHO. The Camry looks normal.
Most people who see an ES300 just say, there goes a nice Lexus. I think to myself, there's the ugliest car that Lexus makes! Originally posted by: NFS4
B/C you know what the underlying chassis is with the ES300
But seriously though, I think that GM needs to invest into a NICE singular platform that can be used for a wide range of applications. The Sigma platform is a nice start (CTS, STS, SRX).
I just find the fact that Toyota can build 7 distinctly different vehicles with 5 distinct personalilities (sedan, coupe, convertible, SUV, minivan) on one common platform quite amazing.
Originally posted by: Cfour
Originally posted by: NFS4
B/C you know what the underlying chassis is with the ES300
But seriously though, I think that GM needs to invest into a NICE singular platform that can be used for a wide range of applications. The Sigma platform is a nice start (CTS, STS, SRX).
I just find the fact that Toyota can build 7 distinctly different vehicles with 5 distinct personalilities (sedan, coupe, convertible, SUV, minivan) on one common platform quite amazing.
I think the Sigma is a great start, and the Epsilon will follow that nicely.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Cfour
Originally posted by: NFS4
B/C you know what the underlying chassis is with the ES300
But seriously though, I think that GM needs to invest into a NICE singular platform that can be used for a wide range of applications. The Sigma platform is a nice start (CTS, STS, SRX).
I just find the fact that Toyota can build 7 distinctly different vehicles with 5 distinct personalilities (sedan, coupe, convertible, SUV, minivan) on one common platform quite amazing.
I think the Sigma is a great start, and the Epsilon will follow that nicely.
Yeah, the new Grand Am should highlight that platform. The new Delta platform (Saturn Ion) isn't getting much love though.
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