nakedfrog
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I am familiar with the whole equinox thing and tribal folks, but I did some fact checking. Islam, the world's second largest religion does not appear to have any holidays around Christmas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_holidays
Checked for number three, Hinduism, and it appears the same.
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GagHalfrunt
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And yet India and many major Islam countries celebrate New Years. What part of that do you not understand? Islamists, Hindus, Atheists and almost everyone on Earth has a HOLIDAY between the winter equinox and the New Year. Hence, Happy HOLIDAYS is a greeting that encompasses everyone while Merry Christmas is a specific greeting that only appeals to those who believe in a specific fictional god or a specific commercial shopping frenzy. Why do you insist upon arguing such an idiotic and misguided point?
Red Storm
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Saying happy holidays makes sense as there's more than just Christmas going on, so not really seeing the big PC issue there.
If someone says Merry Christmas to me, I smile and say it back. If someone says Happy Holidays to me, I smile and say it back. When I want to say it, I say happy holidays because they may celebrate something other than Christmas.
If someone says Merry Christmas to me, I smile and say it back. If someone says Happy Holidays to me, I smile and say it back. When I want to say it, I say happy holidays because they may celebrate something other than Christmas.
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There is an old saying among attorneys. If you know the law, pound the law, if you know the facts, pound the facts, if you know neither, pound the table.
Let's see, you've said I have been "wrong again" and my point (which it seems has gone over your head) is "idiotic". But let's look at your Indian New Year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_New_Year's_days
I imagine it is true that saying happy new year to someone in India on Jan 1 would make sense, if you happen to hit upon the 2% that is Christian.
We all know the Chinese new year varies and differs from ours. You combine China and India and you have a good chunk of humanity right there.
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I don't know if you remember when a common reply to someone was "It's a free country". That expression has been completely dropped from use. Proves nothing, just noting.
The loss of freedom has been pretty well documented by many authors. One book that lays it out in detail is "By the People" by Charles Murray. Most folks will be triggered by just mentioning his name, but never read one of his superb books. I don't fully buy into his solution, but his analysis of our diminished liberty is excellent.
The Constitution is dead. We have become a country ruled by men rather than laws. There are so many laws and regulations today that you are guaranteed to be a criminal. The IRS can find it in somewhere in your tax return. There are also Youtubes by former DPS outlining how they can find a way to pull you over if they decide they want to. People have gone to jail for tweets. Some states have laws that indemnify LEO's who wrongly break into your home. Border Patrol can do a body cavity search if they choose. There is no need for probably cause and no recourse. Might as well throw in the growth of civil forfeiture and eminent domain.
It sort of sounds conspiratorial, but if you research it, or experience it, you will discover that these are serious problems researched by serious men. Add to this the pervasive surveillance we have today that sprang from nothing. In addition, we have private companies tracking us 24/7. This sounds conspiratorial also, but I am 99% certain my cell phone has been surveilled. If I were to take the time to explain it all, my guess is that you would agree.
This is such a huge topic it turned into a something long and rambling, and did not really do the topic justice.
Just as aside, in an earlier post I mentioned NPR. Just launched a program I use to listen online which I can cycle between NPR national feed, NPR local feed and PRI. Had to laugh when I heard "Global Warming". Checked the time the program was on.............22 seconds. Just saying.
In reading through this thread, I saw how it got offtrack like most do, in part, because I did not clearly outline the point I was trying to make. The thread was started because of the "Being yelled at for saying Happy Holidays" thread. It made me wonder why an elderly woman would react in such a manner. For me, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah or Merry Christmas all work, but it seems for this lady she was troubled by it. Odds are that the Christmas is very special to her and somewhere along the line she saw people as trying to take from her the joy of simply wishing another a Merry Christmas. In all likelihood, it was a backlash towards others who felt it necessary to manage her beliefs. Doubtful that it is a reaction to "Happy Holidays" with zero context.
So the point is that political correctness has become so celebrated that no one questions the effects it may have on others. Telling people what they cannot do or say only creates a more contentious society.
In closing, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!. If this is not precisely the greeting you would like to hear, just assume that is what I really meant.
zinfamous
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It didn't come from anywhere. Some asshat at Fox decided to make it a thing with a few talking points, some graphics, and an army of corpulent blowhards yelling about it on your TV long enough to make you believe it is actually a thing.
So no, it was never a thing. The only people that think it is a thing are blathering stupid people.
Fritzo
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lxskllr
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