First bulldozer benches from AMD - surprising results (beats 980x)

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Ryun

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I actually had a feeling these might be more fakes. Think about it: nobody except a foreign tech site (that I've never heard of) and VR-Zone are the only ones talking about it.

Yet we have Anand post about Trinity and no mention of Bulldozer -- both of which were apparently in the same showroom.
 

BlueBlazer

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I actually had a feeling these might be more fakes. Think about it: nobody except a foreign tech site (that I've never heard of) and VR-Zone are the only ones talking about it.
Just for your information, it was a foreign site in Germany back during the Deneb pre-launch days that leaked real Deneb benchmarks. As for VR-Zone results, they matched Coolaler's (very reliable source) results. :sneaky:

Yet we have Anand post about Trinity and no mention of Bulldozer -- both of which were apparently in the same showroom.
Showroom? The demonstration in a hotel suite/room. Did you check properly Anand's video? Notice something familiar on the very left side of the laptops? Also note the Intel logo used... :D
 

AtenRa

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I have said this before, the CPU in the PC was ES, no way they had retail silicon running benches before official release date ;)
 

Gikaseixas

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Just for your information, it was a foreign site in Germany back during the Deneb pre-launch days that leaked real Deneb benchmarks. As for VR-Zone results, they matched Coolaler's (very reliable source) results. :sneaky:

Showroom? The demonstration in a hotel suite/room. Did you check properly Anand's video? Notice something familiar on the very left side of the laptops? Also note the Intel logo used... :D

is it proof that these are legit? All of you just relax, it's coming, slowly but surely :)
 

psolord

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Hey guys.

I just requested a friend of mine to run a test of Dirt 3 on his rig, with 2600k + GTX 570 SLI @850Mhz, at DX11 Ultra 1080P Noaa. The cpu was run at 4Ghz with no Turbo.

He scored 149fps while my i7 860 also at 4Ghz (the rest where the same) scored 145fps. Gpu usage on both cards was 90% so there was a slight cpu limit. If there was some strange deficiency on the Sandy Bridge part, it should show.

So those results of Techspot, may have been impacted by something else. Maybe Nvidia drivers or whatever.
 
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JFAMD

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He seems to be waving everything off (including the delay rumors). Take his words with (lots of) salt IMHO. :hmm:

~95% of what you see out there in launch dates and benchmarks are fakes, so if you wave off everything, you are right 95% of the time.

My comment was that if we released benchmarks, I would *probably* have heard about it, but that is not 100% the case.

I am sure that we did a demo, but demos and benchmarks are 2 different things. In a demo you show something, maybe my product against your product, but I control both ends. In a benchmark, I run mine, you run yours and we both submit.

If we ran such a demo (I wasn't there), I would assume that the results would be representative because our lawyers are pretty good about staying on top of those things. But the fact that I didn't hear about it, nor have I seen much of it on the web except one place leads me to believe the claim that we released benchmarks is a bit far flung.

Oh, and I would take everything I say with a grain of salt, just as you should everyone else on the internet. It is just smart never to have 100% blind faith in EVERYONE. The only difference with me is that I am real clear about where I work and what my beliefs are. There are others who have pretty strict agendas but go out of their way to hide it. I am who I am.
 
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tweakboy

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Man sorry to say after my x800xt pe days,, I am ANTI RED or ANTI AMD. due to the fact they are #2

I like the Intel and nVidia combination much better. That is just my opinion. Thanks gg and gb my thought only. opinion. thank you
 
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BlueBlazer

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I still have my Gallatin, she was truly awesome in her day. I will keep it forever. :)
That's a rare CPU. Its one of the first desktop CPU that has L3 cache. ;)

~95% of what you see out there in launch dates and benchmarks are fakes, so if you wave off everything, you are right 95% of the time.
I do not dismiss all information plainly, just because someone else says they are all fake. Of course I scrutinized all information available, and have dismissed lots of them (the usual phethora of fakes, fanmade material, unconfirmed/idle rumors, etc), except for some of them (small percentage of which looks valid IMHO). As the saying goes "looking for patterns in the chaos". :)

My comment was that if we released benchmarks, I would *probably* have heard about it, but that is not 100% the case.

I am sure that we did a demo, but demos and benchmarks are 2 different things. In a demo you show something, maybe my product against your product, but I control both ends. In a benchmark, I run mine, you run yours and we both submit.

If we ran such a demo (I wasn't there), I would assume that the results would be representative because our lawyers are pretty good about staying on top of those things. But the fact that I didn't hear about it, nor have I seen much of it on the web except one place leads me to believe the claim that we released benchmarks is a bit far flung.
Aren't you supposed to be in server arena, and those demos are for desktop and laptops (thus someone else in charge?). Yes, the benchmark can be far flung as it tells little (with only two points of reference, but its easy to extrapolate with others available although not necessarily the most accurate nonetheless a rough guesstimate). And here all we do is to speculate and predict based on what's available due to lack of any information from AMD. That's what's many discussions are all about (otherwise nothing to talk about). :hmm:

Oh, and I would take everything I say with a grain of salt, just as you should everyone else on the internet. It is just smart never to have 100% blind faith in EVERYONE. The only difference with me is that I am real clear about where I work and what my beliefs are. There are others who have pretty strict agendas but go out of their way to hide it. I am who I am.
One point is correct, that not to trust everything 100% you see on the internet (not you, and not even me). On the internet, anyone can be "someone" (this is a fact). Anyone with keen sense of logical thinking and analytical mind can pick out what/who to believe and what/who to dismiss. Also I don't look at the world with a pair of "rose colored glasses", so to speak. ;)

So, can you comment on the timeframe roughly (in weeks granularity) of when AMD FX will be finally released (or available/shipped)? I know, you are not supposed to give out dates and can only announce "the launch date on the launch date" itself. :D
 
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We never get to month or week granularity, only quarter. The only time that I have taken it to month granularity is when it is the 3rd month of the quarter and we have promised to launch in that quarter. At that point there is no beating around the bush.
 

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We never get to month or week granularity, only quarter. The only time that I have taken it to month granularity is when it is the 3rd month of the quarter and we have promised to launch in that quarter. At that point there is no beating around the bush.

We know desktop Bulldozer will probably ship for revenue at the end of this month or the beginning of October. :sneaky:
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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I really really want a BD that brings action back to the $100-$200 price range. The locked i3s and i5s don't do it for me, and the X6 is great at some things, not so great at others. The PhIIs are hard to recommend right now outside of people that already have AM2+/AM3 platforms.
That's the thing that absolutely blows about SB - only the K models can OC.
Where's all the E2xxx, E3xxx, E4xxx and E5xxx loving? :(
 

Arkaign

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That's the thing that absolutely blows about SB - only the K models can OC.
Where's all the E2xxx, E3xxx, E4xxx and E5xxx loving? :(

No kidding. As much as I like my 2500k, and respect the stock 2100/2400 performance (vs. the ~= priced stock AMD PhIIs), I'm not so jazezd about the locked CPUs.

Not so long ago I loved me some overclocking of dirt cheap stuff on the Intel side. I had a lowly E5200 on a cheap microATX G33 mobo (think it cost like $45 at MC), and that sucker hit over 3.5ghz. Not bad for a $70 chip at the time, played everything I could throw at it. It was so good that I was initially underwhelmed when I got my first PhII (an 805 that I eventually hit around 3.1ghz with). The 955BE that I later got finally picked up the slack, and that's only recently been retired for the 2500k build.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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Heh, 10-4 on that. Needed a system for Hackintoshing (complete beginner).
Bought a cheap S-775 DDR3 mATX mobo at MicroCenter, threw in an old E5200 and Arctic Freezer 7 Pro. Couple of hours later, 3.85GHz system :)

Stuck in a 6950 1GB and brought it to a LAN as a spare, did not miss a beat.
 

VirtualLarry

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I agree with both of the above posters, the E5200 was the spiritual sucessor to the Celeron 300A. Great little cheap overclocking CPU, could usually do 3.0Ghz on stock voltage, or at least 3.5 on increased vcore. Some even hit 4.0 (very rarely).

Still decent for gaming (well, for all games except the ones that virtually require quad-cores), was paired up with a GTX460 768MB in my friend's rig. (Recently upgraded him to a quad-core.)

Perhaps BullDozer will be a chip in the same vein?
 

Arkaign

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I agree with both of the above posters, the E5200 was the spiritual sucessor to the Celeron 300A. Great little cheap overclocking CPU, could usually do 3.0Ghz on stock voltage, or at least 3.5 on increased vcore. Some even hit 4.0 (very rarely).

Still decent for gaming (well, for all games except the ones that virtually require quad-cores), was paired up with a GTX460 768MB in my friend's rig. (Recently upgraded him to a quad-core.)

Perhaps BullDozer will be a chip in the same vein?

Here's hoping! :)

It's fairly certain that BD isn't gonna seriously threaten overclocked 2500k/2600k in gaming.

BUT, if we can start to get unlocked chips for way less than the $220 entry point for 2500k, that can be overclocked to stock 2500k levels at least, then I think we'll see a ton of folks building BD rigs vs. 2100/etc. For single-GPU folks, I think stock 2500k level performance is plenty, better to spend the savings on better GPU, beer, etc.
 

nagaz

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There are others who have pretty strict agendas but go out of their way to hide it. I am who I am.

Why are there others who have pretty strict agenda but go out of their wayto hide it?
Why they hide it?
 

ransomlist

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Why are there others who have pretty strict agenda but go out of their wayto hide it?
Why they hide it?

I guess its hard for him to answer that without provoking flames :p I've been lurking ~week and there are a few personalities that are already mentally pidgeonholed as fanboy/vested interests.
 

nagaz

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I guess its hard for him to answer that without provoking flames :p I've been lurking ~week and there are a few personalities that are already mentally pidgeonholed as fanboy/vested interests.

i can understand the flame problem and i have seen the forum rules. Also me should be quieter. i recognize i have been aggressive with jf. Is not a personal thing, in reality i have been crithical with people in general, i would like only that people think with their brain.
ever...
And i shouldn't talk at all becouse my english is poor.
I'm an average Joe and i'm sorry
This is what i'm... from an old athlon xp (my little mule) :|