Firms with Obama ties profit from health push

[irwincur]

Look at how great capitalism is. A few got rich while plunging the whole worlds' markets and causing the losses of millions upon millions of jobs.

A few? How do you the justify the fact that American's per capita are one of if not the richest people in the world?

By the way - per capita - means everyone, not just the richest few.

So if you ask me, yes Capitalism does work. It helped us win two world wars, lead the world in production and business, lead the world in real economic power, build the greatest military the world has ever seen, pay our people the most, build the largest government entity in the world, and well all in all secure our freedoms. Why do people still come to America by the millions if there was nothing here but poor, worthless souls with no hope.

I think that these immigrants see more in the living American dream than the worthless people that have lived here and taken it for granted.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
i agree profits in health care are bad. Lets get rid of them all.

When these non-profit coops fail to stem the tide of increasing costs. What argument will you fall back onto?

The coops are what the Republicans want instead of real reform. Blame them.

Who wants them is irrelevant. JStorm and many others blame private insurance proft motive for the problems within our healthcare system. When non-profit coops fail to stem the cost of the system. I am asking what argument will he and others like him fall back on?

Real reform that may not get through now instead of watered down republican compromises.

There is no real reform in the current bills. Nothing in them addresses costs. Only who pays and how. A bandaid on a cut artery.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Patranus
but...but...but....he promised change?!!??!
but...but...but...he promised no special interest groups in the white house?!?!?!?

If Obama and the Dems are just as bad as the Pubs, then what are the Pubs offering? Or are you saying that the Pubs are better because at least they don't have any good intentions in the first place?

Vic, do you share your kool-aid like a good socialist?

You have no clue what socialism is.

Btw, socialism is only a boogey man fear word.

Look at how great capitalism is. A few got rich while plunging the whole worlds' markets and causing the losses of millions upon millions of jobs.

They didn't do it by themselves. They had help from millions of people that wanted to live outside their means. Does anyone stop to think that maybe a large part of these skyrocketing prices have a lot to do with people not paying their bills? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It is the responsibility of the lender who is in BUSINESS to protect their company by making responsible loans. Instead, a handful hijacked them, walked away with millions, the businesses failed, and the world plunged.

Without the business(capitalism), it wouldn't have happened. And greed runs rampant with disastrous results for the world, because of it. And it continues to happen every 20-30 years.

Lenders should, but just because they don't does NOT absolve consumers from being idiots. It's called personal responsibility. I know that in the looney lefts wonder land the government takes care of everyone cradle to grave and doesn't let them make fool hardly decisions, but in the real world people have to take responsibility for their actions.

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I am really pissed at Obama. I was brutalized as a child by my parents. They taught me to hate everybody and compete, to walk on top of others, and I learned those lessons well. I have worked hard my whole life to prove I am worthy and now I have a fabulous job, a great car, and lots of money. I have arrived. I have the best health care that money can buy and I am proud. I am a winner and the best of the best and I know it when I look around. I see the filthy bums in the street, and the assholes who can't get a job, and I see the folk who suffer unhealthily for their sloth just as God intended.

I see the worthless all around me and along comes that curse Obama to fight against the will of God. He wants to help the worthless and make them as successful as me. Fuck that little asshole. I got great all by myself and I want to stay that way. All those worthless shit he wants to help are the stepping stones I use to keep me high and dry. That prick Obama isn't going to undercut me. Any fucker who is sick can go to church and prey. God helps the worthy, people like me.

And one more thing. You other assholes that hate Obama too. You are still scum too because you're not as good as me. I'll walk on your fucking heads too, just as soon as I get a chance.

Ya now you just look like a tool, good job.

 

[ZeGermans]

I'm quite shocked that Obama is in bed with special intersahahahahahahahaha

 

[themusgrat]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Real reform that may not get through now instead of watered down republican compromises.

Try to use some logic here. If you can't even trust our Congress to reform health care to the extent of simply reducing its costs, then how would you have possibly trusted Congress to run the whole thing themselves? Face it, they would have botched it up, everyone knows this, that's why UHC is off the table.

I'm with you, I hope we do see some real reform, but I'm really not going to get my hopes up.

 

[Xellos2099]

While insurance have a hand in playing of making the health care cost higher, it is the "people" who no longer shop around, "doctors and hospital" who charge more and order more pointless test and they got commission for ordering test, which the insurance company have to increase price due to the increased usage. How come no want want to look at this angle?

I also believe min wage has a lot to do with the cost increase.

Humanity has become a group who like to blame other people for their problem, specially demonizing the corporation for making money.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
i agree profits in health care are bad. Lets get rid of them all.

When these non-profit coops fail to stem the tide of increasing costs. What argument will you fall back onto?

The coops are what the Republicans want instead of real reform. Blame them.

Who wants them is irrelevant. JStorm and many others blame private insurance proft motive for the problems within our healthcare system. When non-profit coops fail to stem the cost of the system. I am asking what argument will he and others like him fall back on?

Real reform that may not get through now instead of watered down republican compromises.

There is no real reform in the current bills. Nothing in them addresses costs. Only who pays and how. A bandaid on a cut artery.

Removing pre-existing conditions, removing random cancellations for profit, giving peopel a viable alternative without the profit motive.

"Costs" again, are a boogeyman. Profits are up 1000% in 5 years for insurance companies and our country pays double what every other country pays.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Patranus
but...but...but....he promised change?!!??!
but...but...but...he promised no special interest groups in the white house?!?!?!?

If Obama and the Dems are just as bad as the Pubs, then what are the Pubs offering? Or are you saying that the Pubs are better because at least they don't have any good intentions in the first place?

Vic, do you share your kool-aid like a good socialist?

You have no clue what socialism is.

Btw, socialism is only a boogey man fear word.

Look at how great capitalism is. A few got rich while plunging the whole worlds' markets and causing the losses of millions upon millions of jobs.

They didn't do it by themselves. They had help from millions of people that wanted to live outside their means. Does anyone stop to think that maybe a large part of these skyrocketing prices have a lot to do with people not paying their bills? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It is the responsibility of the lender who is in BUSINESS to protect their company by making responsible loans. Instead, a handful hijacked them, walked away with millions, the businesses failed, and the world plunged.

Without the business(capitalism), it wouldn't have happened. And greed runs rampant with disastrous results for the world, because of it. And it continues to happen every 20-30 years.

Lenders should, but just because they don't does NOT absolve consumers from being idiots. It's called personal responsibility. I know that in the looney lefts wonder land the government takes care of everyone cradle to grave and doesn't let them make fool hardly decisions, but in the real world people have to take responsibility for their actions.

I'm dealing with someone that uses the term "looney left" as if there was an actual left in this country. Sorry, I don't deal with crazies.

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
i agree profits in health care are bad. Lets get rid of them all.

When these non-profit coops fail to stem the tide of increasing costs. What argument will you fall back onto?

The coops are what the Republicans want instead of real reform. Blame them.

Who wants them is irrelevant. JStorm and many others blame private insurance proft motive for the problems within our healthcare system. When non-profit coops fail to stem the cost of the system. I am asking what argument will he and others like him fall back on?

Real reform that may not get through now instead of watered down republican compromises.

There is no real reform in the current bills. Nothing in them addresses costs. Only who pays and how. A bandaid on a cut artery.

Removing pre-existing conditions, removing random cancellations for profit, giving peopel a viable alternative without the profit motive.

"Costs" again, are a boogeyman. Profits are up 1000% in 5 years for insurance companies and our country pays double what every other country pays.

You can not simple just remove pre-existing conditions. You'll then have insurance companies paying out for claims on policies that they haven't received a cent for, what do you think that will do to prices? What percentage of claims result in "random cancellations for profits"?

 

[xj0hnx]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Patranus
but...but...but....he promised change?!!??!
but...but...but...he promised no special interest groups in the white house?!?!?!?

If Obama and the Dems are just as bad as the Pubs, then what are the Pubs offering? Or are you saying that the Pubs are better because at least they don't have any good intentions in the first place?

Vic, do you share your kool-aid like a good socialist?

You have no clue what socialism is.

Btw, socialism is only a boogey man fear word.

Look at how great capitalism is. A few got rich while plunging the whole worlds' markets and causing the losses of millions upon millions of jobs.

They didn't do it by themselves. They had help from millions of people that wanted to live outside their means. Does anyone stop to think that maybe a large part of these skyrocketing prices have a lot to do with people not paying their bills? Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

It is the responsibility of the lender who is in BUSINESS to protect their company by making responsible loans. Instead, a handful hijacked them, walked away with millions, the businesses failed, and the world plunged.

Without the business(capitalism), it wouldn't have happened. And greed runs rampant with disastrous results for the world, because of it. And it continues to happen every 20-30 years.

Lenders should, but just because they don't does NOT absolve consumers from being idiots. It's called personal responsibility. I know that in the looney lefts wonder land the government takes care of everyone cradle to grave and doesn't let them make fool hardly decisions, but in the real world people have to take responsibility for their actions.

I'm dealing with someone that uses the term "looney left" as if there was an actual left in this country. Sorry, I don't deal with crazies.

No, you can't deal with personal resonsibility like the rest of the looney left.

 

[Xellos2099]

So anyone actually "FEEL" like answering my question?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Removing pre-existing conditions, removing random cancellations for profit, giving peopel a viable alternative without the profit motive.

"Costs" again, are a boogeyman. Profits are up 1000% in 5 years for insurance companies and our country pays double what every other country pays.

None of that addresses "costs" in the system. One of them will actually increase the costs.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I am really pissed at Obama. I was brutalized as a child by my parents. They taught me to hate everybody and compete, to walk on top of others, and I learned those lessons well. I have worked hard my whole life to prove I am worthy and now I have a fabulous job, a great car, and lots of money. I have arrived. I have the best health care that money can buy and I am proud. I am a winner and the best of the best and I know it when I look around. I see the filthy bums in the street, and the assholes who can't get a job, and I see the folk who suffer unhealthily for their sloth just as God intended.

I see the worthless all around me and along comes that curse Obama to fight against the will of God. He wants to help the worthless and make them as successful as me. Fuck that little asshole. I got great all by myself and I want to stay that way. All those worthless shit he wants to help are the stepping stones I use to keep me high and dry. That prick Obama isn't going to undercut me. Any fucker who is sick can go to church and prey. God helps the worthy, people like me.

And one more thing. You other assholes that hate Obama too. You are still scum too because you're not as good as me. I'll walk on your fucking heads too, just as soon as I get a chance.

As soon as I read that I knew that wasn't moonbean.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
i agree profits in health care are bad. Lets get rid of them all.

When these non-profit coops fail to stem the tide of increasing costs. What argument will you fall back onto?

The coops are what the Republicans want instead of real reform. Blame them.

lol

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
While insurance have a hand in playing of making the health care cost higher, it is the "people" who no longer shop around, "doctors and hospital" who charge more and order more pointless test and they got commission for ordering test, which the insurance company have to increase price due to the increased usage. How come no want want to look at this angle?

I also believe min wage has a lot to do with the cost increase.

Humanity has become a group who like to blame other people for their problem, specially demonizing the corporation for making money.

The pointless test are because doctors are scared of getting sued, tort reform would address this.

As far as shopping around for the best prices we would need HSA's.

Both would be steps in the right direction in reforming health care as opposed to the piece of crap we have now.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Real reform that may not get through now instead of watered down republican compromises.

LOL

The Democrats have a majority in the house and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. The only thing holding this back would be DEMOCRATS.

The line the GOP isn't playing along is getting real old as the Democrats can do whatever they want anyways.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Patranus
but...but...but....he promised change?!!??!
but...but...but...he promised no special interest groups in the white house?!?!?!?

If Obama and the Dems are just as bad as the Pubs, then what are the Pubs offering? Or are you saying that the Pubs are better because at least they don't have any good intentions in the first place?

Vic, do you share your kool-aid like a good socialist?

Buddyboy, you're 100x more of a socialist than I could ever be even when I'm in a sharing mood.

pfft... it's ironically hilarious, given my 8 years here of strongly promoting capitalism and liberty, that some partisan whackjob thinks he can call me a socialist just because I question the very notion of partisanship. Seriously, if both parties are equally corrupt, then why should I choose one over the other? Answer the question.

Meh, or not. Everyone here knows is that if you respond to this it will only be with yet another flip partisan response. It's all you're capable of. You're completely incapable of any kind of independent thought, yet somehow you imagine yourself a proponent of liberty.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Removing pre-existing conditions, removing random cancellations for profit, giving peopel a viable alternative without the profit motive.

"Costs" again, are a boogeyman. Profits are up 1000% in 5 years for insurance companies and our country pays double what every other country pays.

None of that addresses "costs" in the system. One of them will actually increase the costs.

The only solution yet proposed by either side that would have addressed the costs in the system was vehemently shot down by the Republicans using 'big lie' propaganda about 'death panels.'

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Real reform that may not get through now instead of watered down republican compromises.

LOL

The Democrats have a majority in the house and a filibuster proof majority in the senate. The only thing holding this back would be DEMOCRATS.

The line the GOP isn't playing along is getting real old as the Democrats can do whatever they want anyways.

The Democrats are the 'big tent' party right now. It's why they've won the last 2 elections, but it also means they are not united in policy and agenda.