Firefox 38

[mikeymikec]

FF 38.0.1 came in for me today as well, nps.

 

[Hugh Jass]

what is DRM?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This coming from the person who wants to preach to everyone what browser and antivirus they should be using.

 

[balloonshark]

Question: When I think DRM I think about something that digs deep into the OS to protect content like the infamous Sony Rootkit, Steam, Origin, etc.

If this new DRM is indeed something that digs deep then if when it's exploited malware might gain access deep inside the OS. Does that sound right or am I missing something?

 

[mikeymikec]

Question: When I think DRM I think about something that digs deep into the OS to protect content like the infamous Sony Rootkit, Steam, Origin, etc.

If this new DRM is indeed something that digs deep then if when it's exploited malware might gain access deep inside the OS. Does that sound right or am I missing something?

Digging deep into the OS seems like an obvious and crude way of securing content against undesired duplication / redirection, but it's not particularly necessary. I think such tactics are to try and ensure that someone can't probe into system activity easily to try and circumvent the DRM.

What I find hilarious is that anyone would trust a DRM implementation from Adobe, being the guys who used ROT13 to 'secure content' then IIRC used the DMCA to silence someone pointing out their seriously poor judgement, let alone the fact that they're responsible for providing software that routinely is the host of serious security vulnerabilities, or that they once took something like 5 years to fix a vuln in Adobe Reader.

Why not get them to collaborate with Diebold and make something truly awesome to behold (in terms of being a cracker's wet dream).

(url inserted in case there was any ambiguity)

 

[balloonshark]

Digging deep into the OS seems like an obvious and crude way of securing content against undesired duplication / redirection, but it's not particularly necessary. I think such tactics are to try and ensure that someone can't probe into system activity easily to try and circumvent the DRM.

What I find hilarious is that anyone would trust a DRM implementation from Adobe, being the guys who used ROT13 to 'secure content' then IIRC used the DMCA to silence someone pointing out their seriously poor judgement, let alone the fact that they're responsible for providing software that routinely is the host of serious security vulnerabilities, or that they once took something like 5 years to fix a vuln in Adobe Reader.

Why not get them to collaborate with Diebold and make something truly awesome to behold (in terms of being a cracker's wet dream).

(url inserted in case there was any ambiguity)

Thanks for your insight Mikeymikec. It is very scary to think that an Adobe product will be part of a browser. I also don't like the idea of DRM being built into a browser because of what it means for the future of the internet. Plus DRM adds no benefit to the user and it always lessens the usability for the user.

 

[bononos]

Thanks for your insight Mikeymikec. It is very scary to think that an Adobe product will be part of a browser. I also don't like the idea of DRM being built into a browser because of what it means for the future of the internet. Plus DRM adds no benefit to the user and it always lessens the usability for the user.

Being able to stream netflix videos is one benefit, that was one drawback of linux until recently and until FF 38 for windows.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Did anyone notice that they updated it less than 24hrs after releasing it.

 

[nemesismk2]

Did anyone notice that they updated it less than 24hrs after releasing it.

yes i noticed that as well and it's a good thing that firefox can be fixed that quickly lol

 

[Chiefcrowe]

Have they talked about sites/services that will use this new DRM extension?

Also, I noticed that this newest ver. seems to use the least amount of RAM that i've seen in quite some time. Less than 200 MB with all of my addons.

 

[Z15CAM]

FF v28.0 for me - Works great with the latest Java/ Adobe Flash and Shock wave - Download Helper. and Ad-block Plus .. etc

HTML 5 may be another matter but I'm not convinced yet when you can revert to Net Vampire or CuteFTP for that matter.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm seeing issues with flash player and when lots of tabs are simultaneously opened. FF is stuttering to a virtual halt and I am not anywhere near being out of memory. When I switch over to IE 11 my pages load instantly while the very same pages are super slow in ff. They've definitely borked something in 38.

 

[Chiefcrowe]

Does it happen when you only have 1 tab open with flash running? Maybe uninstall/reinstall flash?

I'm seeing issues with flash player and when lots of tabs are simultaneously opened. FF is stuttering to a virtual halt and I am not anywhere near being out of memory. When I switch over to IE 11 my pages load instantly while the very same pages are super slow in ff. They've definitely borked something in 38.

 

[Engineer]

If in a Private Browser and click on a link that opens a new window (Also Private), no scroll bar will be present in the new window. Scroll wheel on mouse also does not work in such cases. If not in Private Window, all works fine.

Anyone else see this?

Edit: This is for testing....http://forums.anandtech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Edit: If you open AnandTech up in a Private Window, browse to this thread and click on my link above, a new PW will open and no scrollbar will be present. If you click on the link from a non private window, the scrollbar will be present.

Edit: Not only does the scrollbar not appear, the FF menu bar disappears as well as the Private Browsing icon (purple). The windows does state that it's Private Browsing but something seems broken.

Edit: Starting FF in Safemode has no effect. Same issue.

Edit: Confirmed on multiple PC's in the house. All running Windows 7 - 64 bit if that matters.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I just tried that and my scroll function worked fine and the purple in private browsing icon i still present but I'm on win 8.1 pro x64.

 

[Engineer]

I just tried that and my scroll function worked fine and the purple in private browsing icon i still present but I'm on win 8.1 pro x64.

So you opened a Private Browser, navigated to this thread, clicked on the link that I posted and a new Private Browser window opened (no tab, correct? - I have mine set to open in a new window, not a tab) and you had the scrollbar, menu and purple icon in the new browser window?

 

[Chiefcrowe]

I just tested this in Win 7 and I had the scrollbar, menu and purple icon.

So you opened a Private Browser, navigated to this thread, clicked on the link that I posted and a new Private Browser window opened (no tab, correct? - I have mine set to open in a new window, not a tab) and you had the scrollbar, menu and purple icon in the new browser window?

 

[Engineer]

I just tested this in Win 7 and I had the scrollbar, menu and purple icon.

Well crap. Must be something in my system. I tried safe mode so it shouldn't be an add-on. I'll go test a few more things to see if I can track this down. Maybe I should do a full reset of Firefox.

A "Refresh" of FF didn't fix it. It did work fine in Tabs mode but in new window mode, same thing. Crap!

 

[Engineer]

Just tried version 37 at work (on Windows XP) and it was fine. Updated to 38.0.1 and tried again and the icon disappeared as well as the scroll bar.

For those testing, are you sure that you had the private window (from link above) open in a new window and not a new tab? Tabs work fine...it's windows that don't work.

 

[Chiefcrowe]

Yep, I tried it again on a different PC and it worked like normal. Maybe updating video drivers would have an affect? or perhaps turning off hardware acceleration?

Just tried version 37 at work (on Windows XP) and it was fine. Updated to 38.0.1 and tried again and the icon disappeared as well as the scroll bar.

For those testing, are you sure that you had the private window (from link above) open in a new window and not a new tab? Tabs work fine...it's windows that don't work.

 

[Engineer]

Well, just installed FF 38.0.1 on a brand new PC with Windows 7 - 64 bit pro (being set up for first time - FF was not previously installed) and had the same issue. First time install of FF @ 38.0.1 and didn't change anything other than to have FF open links in a window instead of a tab. WTF is going on?

I'll look at the hardware acceleration.

Edit: Hardware acceleration turned off made no difference.

I'm not sure what's happening in that 4 different systems, with two operating systems, all show the same results. One of the systems was a complete new install.

Edit: If I 'right click' on the link and tell it to open the link in a new private window (from inside a private window), it works fine. Only when I click on it as a normal link does it not work correctly. Worked fine on all versions of 37.x.x.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Waterfox 38.0 is out too, just updated. Wonder if that version is DRM-free or not?

Edit: Guess not. There was a checkbox next to "Play DRM Content" by default. Seriously, WTF Mozilla Foundation.

I have 38.01 too. And the checkbox for playing DRM content was checked.
I unchecked it and followed the advice on this page :

https://support.mozilla.org/nl/kb/enable-drm?as=u&utm_source=inproduct

But there was no Adobe Primetime CDM plug in. Only the standard shockwave player. Is the CDM plugin hidden ?

 

[Ketchup]

Engineer, are you sharing this information with Mozilla? This is an issue they need to know about, whether or not posters here run into the issue (I have never run FF in that manner personally).

 

[Engineer]

Engineer, are you sharing this information with Mozilla? This is an issue they need to know about, whether or not posters here run into the issue (I have never run FF in that manner personally).

Not yet but I did Google last night on how to report a bug. I haven't found out how to do it just yet. Will try again tonight.

 

[Ketchup]

Not yet but I did Google last night on how to report a bug. I haven't found out how to do it just yet. Will try again tonight.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

 

[Engineer]

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/

Thanks.

Looks like this has already been reported by 11 or so people at least:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1166066