Firefox 29 - I don't like the new look

[Revolution 11]

This is why I use the SeaMonkey browser! My browser hasn't has any significant change in appearance or in menus in over 15 years! Ha!

This browser was born when the Mozilla browser became Firefox, to keep the look of the former.

There are two things I absolutely hate with the firefox browser:
(1) the tabs at the very top, I often use firefox when connected to a machine through remote desktop, the rdp toolbar pulls down as I try to change tabs
(2) the menu should be a list of items, not big icons. I have a keyboard and mouse, I prefer to use them efficiently.

I have been looking into the SeaMonkey browser myself so let me ask a few questions. I thought Firefox let you put tabs below the menu bar and that the menu bar can be made into a standard list of File, Edit, etc. instead of that big orange Firefox button. What does SeaMonkey offer that Firefox (I use Pale Moon) does not have? Do you use the other features besides the browser in the SeaMonkey Suite?

 

[Chiefcrowe]

Is it just me or did the new version 29 start causing more crashes than before?

 

[Mem]

Is it just me or did the new version 29 start causing more crashes than before?

Not had a single crash yet,still rock stable for me.

 

[lxskllr]

Running stable on Windows at work, and 31 on Debian, and haven't had crashes on either.

 

[Chiefcrowe]

Thanks. It must be either the website or flash related because that was part of it sometimes as well...

 

[lxskllr]

Thanks. It must be either the website or flash related because that was part of it sometimes as well...

I use Flash once every two weeks or so, so Flash problems won't be very apparent to me.

 

[cubby1223]

I have been looking into the SeaMonkey browser myself so let me ask a few questions. I thought Firefox let you put tabs below the menu bar and that the menu bar can be made into a standard list of File, Edit, etc. instead of that big orange Firefox button. What does SeaMonkey offer that Firefox (I use Pale Moon) does not have? Do you use the other features besides the browser in the SeaMonkey Suite?

I only use SeaMonkey because I'm stubborn against new layouts. I also use their mail client for email, which, again, I use because I'm stubborn. I used the mail client in Netscape 4, then in Mozilla, and I never liked the look of thunderbird so I kept with Mozilla as long as I could, then came across SeaMonkey.

The browser rendering is firefox, and it gets updated with each update of firefox (once or twice a month there's an update that auto-installs). It has all the bells and whistles of a modern browser. You can install firefox extensions into SeaMonkey, but only some of them. Maybe half work, half don't.

There are a few other differences between firefox & seamonkey, such as how you open a new link, if it's a popup window going into a new tab, or you specify the link to open in a new tab, if that tab automatically takes the focus, how to close tabs down, little stuff that I just preferred to stick with what I was used to.

It's all about look & feel. Pick the browser who's interface you are most comfortable with.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Is it just me or did the new version 29 start causing more crashes than before?

Nope...no Firefox crashes on my end whatsoever.

The Flash plugin, on the other hand, crashes probably at least 75% of the time...especially on YouTube.

 

[Cerb]

Is it just me or did the new version 29 start causing more crashes than before?

Not just you. It restarts and reloads pages quickly enough, but crashes at least once a day now. Probably an extension, but half of them aren't worth using the web without, even if they're causing crashes.

 

[gmaster456]

I personally don't have any issues with the new update and it has been perfectly stable for me. I re enabled the title bar and now it looks the same as before, speed is great and I haven't had any performance issues on the half dozen+ machines I have used it on.

 

[Slickone]

Just updated, first thing I did was search for "tabs on bottom" on the Mozilla Add-ons site and a number of results were found. Picked one and all is well.

Firefox has had an option in the GUI to move tabs back to the bottom ever since they moved them to the top.

Also, when they changed from the File-Edit-View... menu to the orange button, there has always been an option to change it back. Or you could hold the Alt key to temporarily show it.

 

[sm625]

The tabs do look horrific now. Within minutes I had installed a dozen different themes in search of an alternative. What is really stupid is that they took away the refresh button and made it so you cannot even add a refresh button using the customize feature. Talk about serious regression...

 

[ninaholic37]

Firefox has had an option in the GUI to move tabs back to the bottom ever since they moved them to the top.

Are you speaking in past-tense or present-tense?

From what I read, this functionality was removed in Firefox 29, even setting browser.tabs.onTop to false in "about:config" does nothing:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/997126

Replies say you either need to edit userChrome.css or use an addon now.

 

[Ketchup]

.... What is really stupid is that they took away the refresh button and made it so you cannot even add a refresh button using the customize feature. Talk about serious regression...

Refresh is in the address bar. I don't know what is so horrific about that.

 

[lxskllr]

Refresh is in the address bar. I don't know what is so horrific about that.

I don't like window controls, or much of anything in the address bar. I do have Flagfox there, but it kind of makes sense. This is my setup...

More or less the same as its always been. There's a couples niggles with it, but I'm happy enough.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Firefox has had an option in the GUI to move tabs back to the bottom ever since they moved them to the top.

Also, when they changed from the File-Edit-View... menu to the orange button, there has always been an option to change it back. Or you could hold the Alt key to temporarily show it.

Holy crap! I did not know this. SO much better. All this time I've been suffering and just dealt with it.

For those who don't know it's in about:config: browser.tabs.onTop;false

Set to false.

Wanananaaa!

I'm on 28 though. 29 looks too abysmall for my taste. WTF did they put the menu bar inside the title bar is beyond me, it just looks so horrific.

 

[mikeyJo]

it looks simple and cool to me.

 

[bruceb]

I am with you, Red Squirrel .. can't stand the new FF29 look. They even hide the Reload Button inside the URL bar from what I hear. I have been toying with FF29 Portable to see if I can get it to look like how FF28 is with the Firefox 3 Theme Reloaded, but so far not good.

 

[G73S]

I am with you, Red Squirrel .. can't stand the new FF29 look. They even hide the Reload Button inside the URL bar from what I hear. I have been toying with FF29 Portable to see if I can get it to look like how FF28 is with the Firefox 3 Theme Reloaded, but so far not good.

and why do you people have to go through so much trouble to make FF 29 look like the older version when there is Pale Moon which is based on ESR 24.5, has the latest security patches, is compatible with all FF add-ons 100%. I just don't get it why people go out of their way to change something when an alternative is available and has proven to be a great browser

 

[bruceb]

Because on my computer I already have 3 web browsers installed.
Internet Explorer 8 .. almost never open or use it.
Opera 12.17 .. use rarely and the latest is another lousy looking interface.
Firefox 28.0 which is fully set exactly as I want it and works fine.

As to Pale Moon, have not yet tried it, but might at some point in the future.

 

[Ketchup]

and why do you people have to go through so much trouble to make FF 29 look like the older version when there is Pale Moon which is based on ESR 24.5, has the latest security patches, is compatible with all FF add-ons 100%. I just don't get it why people go out of their way to change something when an alternative is available and has proven to be a great browser

Because (gasp) not everybody likes what you like.

Consider it a life lesson you need to work on.

 

[G73S]

Because (gasp) not everybody likes what you like.

Consider it a life lesson you need to work on.

I didn't tell anyone to like what I like, you make no sense whatsoever in what you type

With that said, I was just suggesting if one likes the older retro like, they can simply use Pale Moon which has the latest security fixes and looks awesome: