Firefox 29 - I don't like the new look

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Elixer

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@Elixer

So you're saying that you start Firefox, have one website/tab open, and you're instantly using 890MB RAM and Firefox takes 4 minutes to close? Seriously?

Please note I said "one thing I'd try", implication being I don't know for a fact that it would fix your problem, it was a suggestion.

No, I am not saying that.
What I am saying is, throughout the normal course of visiting the normal sites I frequent (maybe 10-15 a day), it will, sooner or later, start to rack up massive amounts of memory usage.
I don't go tab crazy either. Usually, I have a max of 4, usually only 1 or two.
There doesn't seem to be a pattern to when it happens, I just notice a slowdown in the browser response overall, and when I look at the usage of RAM, it is way, way up there.
Doing the same sites with chrome, never had the issue.

I am sure you have seen the reports of hitting close button doesn't close the browser all the way, it is still in memory. THAT is one of the main symptoms of it. It didn't exit out completely, since it is trying to free all that memory it has used. Doesn't matter if you exit via the 'exit' option on the menu either.
If you have it ask for your profile each and every time you start firefox, you will notice that on occasion, it don't ask which profile, since, it didn't exit all the way from the last time you used the browser, and so, it just open up a window.
 

Chiefcrowe

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That's strange because i've been monitoring the task manager a lot lately for mem usage and when i close my browser the process always goes away from there. That is strange behavior for sure!!
 

lxskllr

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I'm not a fan either. I'm keeping my work machine, and the other machines at work more or less vanilla aside from security addons. My machine, so I'm familiar with what a vanilla install's like, and the other machines so the people don't get confused with Mozilla's bullshit when something stops working, since nothing's builtin anymore. I also don't want to give them a good browser at work, but leave them with a turd if they try it themselves at home. This way, they know what they'll get for the most part.
 

inf1nity

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The solution is simple- don't use the official firefox, instead use other browsers based on Firefox. Mozilla has recently started making their products to appeal to the majority non-technical users and hence the whole "make it look good" doctrine.

Cyberfox, Waterfox, Palemoon, there are so many options available. I personally use palemoon, and i plan to stick to it, ever since its developer announced that they will not be incorporating all the official Firefox features, the ones that are useless such as parental controls and other features that serve no performance benefit.
 

Elixer

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mikeymikec

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1) Most browsers will by design utilise up to a percentage of available memory, so posting screenshots to say "ooh, it's using more memory than I expect", doesn't mean very much.

2) I've seen every major browser do most of the things described in this thread at one time or another in the last few years.

3) I doubt that any of you can think of a piece of software that has to handle as much abuse as a web browser does:

3a) Dodgy site coding (every time that someone writes a bit of iffy code for a website you've visited, the browser tries to render it as well as handle as many types of iffy code as possible).

3b) Somewhere along the way, it has seemingly become expected of a browser that it should run for many hours or days on end. Why? Is that something you do without a break?

3c) Browser software is attacked with malicious intent infinitely more than any other piece of software.

Bearing point 3a in mind, there is not going to be one dodgy bit of behaviour that causes all your woes, but likely hundreds. A test case needs to be found for each of those then the coding issue needs to be found and fixed.

I think if most people were using browser software for some sort of essential work purpose, they would treat it a bit nicer (which is what most of these problems are exacerbated by) - for example, I doubt that when you're writing your CV or some essential document for work/uni, you've also got 16 other documents open in that software, some of which have been open for several hours, containing things like "my top ten favourite kitten pictures/videos" that someone sent you, as well as advertising, third party plug-ins, documents written in another word processor whose capability of saving documents in the format that your software is used to is, shall we say, sub-optimal, and you've opened a tonne of other documents in that session without restarting the software at all.

I'm not saying these (browser) issues are 100% caused by user error, however, for example, restarting your browser from time to time really wouldn't hurt. Most browsers have a restore session option these days which will at least mitigate the problems you're experiencing. Also, what unnecessary plug-ins and semi-necessary add-ons / personas / themes do you have installed?

Browser resource management issues should be fixed, but something tells me that they're somewhat more difficult to fix than most of you hope. You're basically asking "why isn't this software perfect yet?".
 
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jhansman

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and one thing that always has bugged me is why the HELL are the TABS ON TOP of the address bar... this goes for IE, Chrome too..

Install Tab Mix Plus and you can do just about whatever you want with your tabs, including putting them at the bottom of the screen. Dunno if it works with this latest version, but it's been keeping pace with the previous updates. Excellent add-on.
 

Engineer

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I like it and it seems to run more smoothly.

It's definitely more smooth and faster than 28 (which I had countless crashes and lockups with). Look doesn't bother me other than getting used to a few of the things on the menu bar (refresh, etc).

At least the workings under the hood seem more solid and fast right now.
 

Jodell88

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I've been using the Australis interface for a while and I like it better than the old one. The only thing that I'm concerned about is putting addon icons to the left of the home button. It would most likely look cluttered fast if you have a reasonable amount of addons, I can imagine how it would look with a bunch of them.

Oh one other thing I just found but cant seem to find the settings for is, I used to be able to see what a link would go to in the status bar (now called add-on bar i think).

so for example if there is a link for www.google.com i could hover over and in the status bar at the bottom it would say www.google.com or www.fakelinktotakemymoney.com

Oh, it was part of an addon called status-4-evar, but it still does not show it in the status/addon bar. Maybe have to wait for a developer update to it
That hasn't changed at all. The links show at the bottom left of the window.
 

Virgorising

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The solution is simple- don't use the official firefox, instead use other browsers based on Firefox. Mozilla has recently started making their products to appeal to the majority non-technical users and hence the whole "make it look good" doctrine.

Cyberfox, Waterfox, Palemoon, there are so many options available. I personally use palemoon, and i plan to stick to it, ever since its developer announced that they will not be incorporating all the official Firefox features, the ones that are useless such as parental controls and other features that serve no performance benefit.

I agree totally. I do get why anyone is still running FX.....tho if that's their choice, fine. But given their options, they should maybe stop complaining re the net results of the directions they are going in.

The halcyon days of FX have ended. Go, Pale Moon.
 

Elixer

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One of the big problems with firefox is, it is using really outdated code, that is difficult to maintain, and lacks the ability for the frontend to use separate threads/processes like what chrome does right now.
They are trying to fix this aspect of it with Electrolysis though.

There is no need for people to go on the defensive just because people point out some errors/bugs, and then those people start screaming "user error".
Could it be "user error" in some circumstances ? Sure. Though, it also could be because of bugs in the code.
For those of us that understand how the development process works, we tend to know the difference.
 

IGemini

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I'm chalking up memory bloat to add-ons. I have nine extensions and four are dedicated to blocking/controlling page elements: Adblock Edge, Ghostery, NoScript, and Flashblock...so I know those need to be constantly loaded. My FF doesn't run lean on RAM, it starts with 300MB just on the Google search page and hovers around 600-700MB on typical browsing, but usually doesn't go above that. It's more bloated than it should be but nothing I'm gonna complain about.

The first time I gave Pale Moon a try there was an annoying bug that it would always turn off Aero Glass while running. This was known to happen if MLAA or FXAA was enabled (I recently found), but I didn't have it active in my drivers at the time so who knows.

Last night I gave it another go and didn't get the glass problem, but all I got consistently was a mere 75MB less memory used after syncing with my Firefox settings. Just vanilla it ran on 85MB and after the sync it went to 225MB. There wasn't any improvement in smoothness or browsing speed I could see. I get why it appeals to some but it's not a panacea to Firefox's issues.

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3b) Somewhere along the way, it has seemingly become expected of a browser that it should run for many hours or days on end. Why? Is that something you do without a break?
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This is what blew my mind when I started hearing about the 2-3GB usage, usually by those who said they never closed their browser. Even though (and especially because) every modern browser saves closed sessions last time I checked. Firefox certainly does. Are people really that unwilling to lose whatever porn they're watching in privacy mode? :p
 

Gryz

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Edit: removed my rant about Firefox.
It's not necessary anymore. I have cooled down.
And besides ..... the Web is full with rants about FF29 already.

Switching to PaleMoon tomorrow.
 
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Revolution 11

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I will not say that Pale Moon solves the RAM problems that most browsers have because it does not. My PM install takes up a regular 500 MB even with one tab and balloons to 1.5 GB if there are 30 tabs or more. The only way to fix this problem is to use a really old browser (not safe) or to get better hardware (expensive).

What PM and other derivatives of Firefox does fix is some people's dislike of the Chrome-like UI and loss of options and customization.
 

pcslookout

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Stop complaining about ram usage it doesn't matter. We all already have 8 GB + of memory already. If it is a problem for you get more ram. It is perfectly normal for a web browser to take 500 MB + of ram.
 

G73S

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Stop complaining about ram usage it doesn't matter. We all already have 8 GB + of memory already. If it is a problem for you get more ram. It is perfectly normal for a web browser to take 500 MB + of ram.
very true, we're in 2014 not 2004

I have 24 GB RAM and I want my browser to use as much as it can of it :)
 

Elixer

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Stop complaining about ram usage it doesn't matter. We all already have 8 GB + of memory already. If it is a problem for you get more ram. It is perfectly normal for a web browser to take 500 MB + of ram.

Yeah, doesn't matter at all... :rolleyes:
Windows successfully diagnosed a low virtual memory condition. The following programs consumed the most virtual memory: firefox.exe (2772) consumed 9402941440 bytes, and thunderbird.exe (5364) consumed 273620992 bytes.
 

Dude111

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JManInPhoenix said:
Updated firefox on my home pc (ubuntu 14.04) & work pc (win7) to firefox 29. The look is horrible - looks like some type of IE knockoff.
Yes well after IE6 sp2,IE's toolbar,etc... became ugly crap so I believe you about FF 29! (I havent ever used or seen it)

Stay with the previous version bud!!!!! -- No reason to goto 29 if you dont like it!
 
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Mem

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Yes well after IE6 sp2,IE's toolbar,etc... became ugly crap so I believe you about FF 29! (I havent ever used or seen it)

Stay with the previous version bud!!!!! -- No reason to goto 29 if you dont like it!


Normally latest version has bug fixes and security improvements.

I don't understand all this ugly crap hate ,I mean FF allows so much customisation on look with themes,extensions etc its not an issue unless you are lazy and can't be bothered to get it looking how you want it to,it took me all of two minutes lol..
 

pcslookout

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Normally latest version has bug fixes and security improvements.

I don't understand all this ugly crap hate ,I mean FF allows so much customisation on look with themes,extensions etc its not an issue unless you are lazy and can't be bothered to get it looking how you want it to,it took me all of two minutes lol..

Exactly.


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Gryz

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FF allows so much customisation on look with themes,extensions etc its not an issue unless you are lazy and can't be bothered

There seem to be a few issues.

1) They changed the API for addons for a lot of UI-related stuff. Basically FF29 broke a large number of addons and themes. And the API has changed so much that supposedly it isn't trivial to quickly fix all those addons.

My most beloved themes don't work anymore. Even worse, the author has thrown the towel in the ring. And stopped working on this themes and addons.

2) Not only did they change stuff that has been in FF since forever. They took away the customization knobs. I don't mind if my view is not the most popular one. And therefor the defaults are not for me. I can change settings, no problem. But the FF UX team seems hell-bound to force their ideas onto every user. Not only by changing default settings. Not only by adding unwanted stuff. No, they remove choices, they remove configuration options, they make it harder for the addon people to implement their stuff. They actively try to make life harder for everyone except the mainstream crowd. If I wanted to follow the mainstream crowd, I'd be running IE or Chrome.

3) The changes don't come once in a while. They come constantly. Stuff breaks constantly. If I have to spend a few hours once every 1-2 years to make FF look and behave like I want, that's fine. If I have to do that every 3 months, then bye bye. I rather go to another browser then. And it seems clear what the FF UX team wants. So I am gone.


Ever ran FF on a Android tablet ? You can't configure your own homepage anymore. When FF starts, you always get a page with your favorites and bookmarks. I don't want that. I *really* don't want that. I really know what I want.
Now if FF would not implement something I'd like, then it would be fine. But to take away something I like. Something that has been there for 20 years. Something that clearly is useful. That's just retarded. And not only do they refuse to bring back the configuration option. No, it also seems it is hard to implement an addon that lets you set your own homepage. (I haven't found one, last time I looked). For me, that is a clear sign the UX team finds their own opinions more important than the users. I've seen that attitude before. I'm gone. I won't advice friends and family to use FF anymore.
 

inf1nity

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Stop complaining about ram usage it doesn't matter. We all already have 8 GB + of memory already. If it is a problem for you get more ram. It is perfectly normal for a web browser to take 500 MB + of ram.

Not everyone does. I know many people who still run 2-4 GB.

I have 1 GB.
 
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I hate Firefox 29. I was forced to upgrade to this crap for some reason. I think it was because I clicked on the "about Firefox" thing and clicked on "check for updates". I wanted to see which version was the newest one. I thought it would ask before updating. Greasemonkey won't work when using the classic theme restorer, so I have to use this horrible UI. Guess I'm going to have to get used to it.