Firefighter Suspended After Being Photographed At Adult Store

conjur

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Second Firefighter Resigns Under Pressure
LOUISVILLE -- A local firefighter resigns under pressure and another is suspended after an encounter with a man taking pictures of adult bookstore customers.

The incident took place Dec. 3 outside the Pure Pleasure store on Fern Valley Road, WLKY NewsChannel 32's Andy Alcock reported Wednesday.

Justin Jones, 18, said he went to the bookstore to apply for a part-time job, a story confirmed by the store manager. But instead of getting a job at Pure Pleasure, Jones is now in pure agony after being suspended as a recruit for the Fairdale Fire Department, Alcock reported.

"I'm not out stealing, dealing or killing," Jones said. "I'm out trying to make a difference, and somebody has to ruin it for me."

Jones said he's wanted to be a firefighter since he was 5 years old, Alcock reported. His home is peppered with reminders of that goal, including a perfect attendance award he received as a 14-year-old in a junior program with the Fire Department. Most recently, he was a recruit-in-training for the Fairdale Fire Department until he was suspended.

"When they don that Fire Department shirt, the public views them as on duty and their conduct has to be above reproach," Fairdale Fire Chief Don Wittry said.

John Reneer took pictures of Jones and another volunteer firefighter from another department outside the bookstore, Alcock reported. According to Reneer, the men blasted their siren at him, but Jones denies it. Reneer also said Jones offered an obscene gesture. Jones admitted to it, Alcock reported.

"He was just rude, and I told him I'd listen to him if (he would) reason with me," Reneer said.

Reneer added that Jones then threatened to take his camera away and threw a cup of Coke at him while leaving in this car, a claim that Jones denies.

Reneer has caused controversy since summertime, when WLKY first reported that he was photographing adult-store customers and publishing their pictures on an anti-porn Web site, Alcock reported. What makes him even more controversial is that he's a convicted rapist and sex offender.

"The guy should not be out of jail to begin with," Jones said.

Added Reneer: "If they have the legal right to go in there, that's granted to them by the Constitution and the statutes, the same Constitution gives me the right to take photos if I want to take photos."

Jones said the case has caused him difficulty beyond the suspension, Alcock reported.

"I feel real violated about it," he said. "It's slandered my name throughout the fire service."
 

GTaudiophile

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He shouldn't have been wearing the T-shirt, but still...

I guess society thinks that hard-working, underpaid fire fighters shouldn't be allowed to read erotica?
 

conjur

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There's been a long-running controversy here in town. Some members of the "holier-than-thou" group have vowed to take pictures of people entering adult bookstores/strip clubs and post the pictures on a website.

One of the people, a leader of a group trying to restrict adult businesses, was caught with a prostitute just the other day!
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: conjur
There's been a long-running controversy here in town. Some members of the "holier-than-thou" group have vowed to take pictures of people entering adult bookstores/strip clubs and post the pictures on a website.

One of the people, a leader of a group trying to restrict adult businesses, was caught with a prostitute just the other day!

Was that Jerry Falwell??
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waggy

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f'ing people.


ruining the guys life over something that is natural? fvckem.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: conjur
There's been a long-running controversy here in town. Some members of the "holier-than-thou" group have vowed to take pictures of people entering adult bookstores/strip clubs and post the pictures on a website.

One of the people, a leader of a group trying to restrict adult businesses, was caught with a prostitute just the other day!

Was that Jerry Falwell??
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heh.

Guy's name is John Wayne Riddle.
 

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It would be a nice twist of fate if someone burned this guy's home to the ground and no one was there to save it.
 

Ronstang

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I'm confused, aren't firefighters supposed to know how to handle their hose? A little practice never hurt anyone.
 

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Reneer has caused controversy since summertime, when WLKY first reported that he was photographing adult-store customers and publishing their pictures on an anti-porn Web site, Alcock reported. What makes him even more controversial is that he's a convicted rapist and sex offender.
That is friggen sad!!
 

Nocturnal

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The gosh darn irony of it all. The photographer is a convicted rapist murderer? LOL man that sucks.
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: ness1469
It would be a nice twist of fate if someone burned this guy's home to the ground and no one was there to save it.

amen to that. that guy needs to die.
 

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I'd try to hook the bastard up for being in close proximity to a sex laden establishment with a multitude of sex offense convictions against him. This guy needs beat down by some tranny whores from New York. :D
 

illusion88

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
He shouldn't have been wearing the T-shirt, but still...

I guess society thinks that hard-working, underpaid fire fighters shouldn't be allowed to read erotica?

Actually he was looking for a part time job

Justin Jones, 18, said he went to the bookstore to apply for a part-time job

All he wanted was some extra cash. I'm still unsue as to why the FD is comming down on him so hard.
 

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This is another simple example of 'don't do anything that you wouldn't want printed on the front page of your local paper' unless you can handle it.

He wants to be a fire fighter, which is a very publicly scrutinized and respected postion in any community. Kids look up to firefighters as heros.
That junior fire fighter program didn't do a good job of teaching him his responsiblity.

He should understand that there are losers in this world that can twist something as innocent as going into a adult bookstore.

Then he cries 'i feel violated'.. personally, i think this kid is living in a dreamworld. Crybaby!

Just my opinion.
AJ.
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: ajpa123
This is another simple example of 'don't do anything that you wouldn't want printed on the front page of your local paper' unless you can handle it.

He wants to be a fire fighter, which is a very publicly scrutinized and respected postion in any community. Kids look up to firefighters as heros.
That junior fire fighter program didn't do a good job of teaching him his responsiblity.

He should understand that there are losers in this world that can twist something as innocent as going into a adult bookstore.

Then he cries 'i feel violated'.. personally, i think this kid is living in a dreamworld. Crybaby!

Just my opinion.
AJ.

yes, but that's really the secondary issue... the main issue is how big of a friggin' loser you have to be to do something like photograph adult store customers and post them on the web.
 

ajpa123

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I realize that, and i read that all the posters were concentrating on that.

There's losers out there.. can't help that.. i just wish other people, like the firefighter had more common sense so he didn't put his career on hold for doing something stupid..

I really hope everyone forgets about it by next week, and he gets re-instated :)

AJ.
 

illusion88

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Originally posted by: ajpa123
This is another simple example of 'don't do anything that you wouldn't want printed on the front page of your local paper' unless you can handle it.

He wants to be a fire fighter, which is a very publicly scrutinized and respected postion in any community. Kids look up to firefighters as heros.
That junior fire fighter program didn't do a good job of teaching him his responsiblity.

He should understand that there are losers in this world that can twist something as innocent as going into a adult bookstore.

Then he cries 'i feel violated'.. personally, i think this kid is living in a dreamworld. Crybaby!

Just my opinion.
AJ.

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There's losers out there.. can't help that.. i just wish other people, like the firefighter had more common sense so he didn't put his career on hold for doing something stupid..

So what your saying is that a Fire Fighter (or anyone who holds the public eye) is not alwowed to step outside the lines? They should NEVER go to a strip joint, porn store, or get drunk at a bar? They should NEVER have a one night stand, illegitmate children, or have more then one girlfriend? What about begin openly gay? Muslim?

And furthermore, you dont think that this is beign blown ut of propotion? All he is doing is looking into getting a part time job so that he can have some extra cash on hand. It just so happens that he looked at working in a book store. Maybe he likes erotica and is well knowledged in it? Who knows.
 

ajpa123

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illusion88,

Actually, i believe everyone should be treated the same, but you can't expect everyone to agree with us, like that creepy photographer. There are always looking to stir up trouble. I believe that firemen can do whatever they want (sleep around, strip clubs, goto adult bookstores) only if they can handle being picked on by the media or whoever wants to single them out. I know it's not right to single them out, but when a newspaper needs a story, they need a story.

That kid was complaining about something that i think is childish. He might have been violated, but he's gonna have to face being suspended. I just hate men who complain, its not manly.. lol

Again, just my opinion
AJ.
 

illusion88

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All right.

I still feel that the FD is comming down to hard on him. If I was the chief, I would give him a waning, say "look, it isnt your fault you got your picture taken, just watch out next time". Or something of that nature. Suspension seems like a ough punishment here.

Although I do agree with what the chief was saying ("When they don that Fire Department shirt, the public views them as on duty and their conduct has to be above reproach,"). It's like having a healthcare insigma on your car, or something identifying you as a sericemen. shoot, I remember beign told about a case where volenteer firefighter did not stop at an accident scene (as in, he appoached it inside his car, and then passed it, not stopping) and was later tracked down and sued. But this is different, he isnt leaving the scene of an accident, or letting anyone die due to negligent acts, he is trying to get a job in a bookstore.

Bah, the chief is too hard on the boy. He's 18 and needs some pocket money. I bet he is still living with his parents.
 

conjur

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Well, I think he got suspended for his actions after being photographed (words said, hand gestures, etc.)
 

shimsham

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he certainly has the right to read and watch whatever he pleases, but hes an idiot for wearing his shirt and blaring his siren at the guy. that was just stupid.
 

Kadarin

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That guy (Jones) was doing something perfectly legal, and no one should have the right to force their own morality on him so long as he abides by the law.