Firearms in NY state

duragezic

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So I've been wanting to purchase some firearms for a while. In Michigan that would be fine, but I'm in NY now. I was thinking about starting with a pistol and a rifle. From the most basic rules, it seems that a pistol requires a permit to purchase, own, carry, etc, while rifles and shotguns do not (except in NYC).

I seem to find conflicting info. First, rifles. I seem to understand that there is a AWB in NYS, such that for a semi auto rifle with detachable magazine to not be considered a assault weapon, you are limited to only one option of a pistol grip, collapsible stock, bayonet mount, etc. But I also read that an assault weapon is:

A semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm

Any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as:
...
Colt AR-15


Those two things make it seem like a AR-15 would be illegal. But I've read multiple times where people own them in NYS. Also, I read that if you are limited to a single "option", that most chose the pistol grip. I also read that a weapon like a AR-15 can't have a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds?! WTF? Is this true? It seems pretty much pointless to own one then!

Now, pistols. One place I read said that to get a permit to purchase and own in my county (Broome County), it is like $130, 21 and over, resident in county for 3 years, 4 references who have known you for 3 years and lived in the county for 3 years, background check, mental health check, finger printing; up to 6 month wait.

Is that really true? If so that is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

But on the Broome county sheriff's website, it simply says:
Broome County Pistol Permits
Pistol Permits are $115.25 Cash or Money Order.
Must be 21 years of age and be a Broome County resident.

meaning I could get a permit as soon as I get a NYS license. I read there are varying levels of restrictions on pistol permits, and that the most basic restricts it to your home? You mean I couldn't even take it to a range?

I read that concealed carry is almost impossible in many counties, including Broome. I don't intend to carry even if I could, but some good news regardless is I read a post from last month that says the police were offering a two-part course for $250 that would allow you to get a unrestricted permit if you completed it. Also it had to do with a new judge that was being more lenient on permits.


Sorry for the length. Maybe I am confused and/or reading misleading information, but from what I've read, I can't believe I don't read more on what kind of bullshit gun laws there are in NYS. I knew NYC had specific, harsher laws, but I was under the impression that I could simply buy a AR-15 whenever I wanted, and buy a pistol once I got a permit. But from my research tonight, it seems I may as well not or can't own anything. :(
 

spidey07

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Why don't you go to a gun shop this weekend and really find out what's up based on what you want to purchase? Most times you can buy rifles, which an AR-15 is, in a neighboring state but look out for the extremely short supply of them and prices may be high.
 

BigJ

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Like Spidey said, go to a gun shop. Either that, or all the literature you need about owning firearms will be at your local police precinct.
 

duragezic

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I was under the impression that the purchase rules were basically the own and use rules (ignoring any additional restrictions that come with concealed carry).

Otherwise, PA is hella close to me. Seems they have all the good things. Looser firearm restrictions, and I always hear people at work going there for cigarettes and gas. God NY is so fucked up and full of high taxes.

Yeah the thing on the supply is a bummer. I was thinking maybe the rush on these weapons would die down. If Obama were to introduce harsh gun laws, if they passed even, I wouldn't expect them for at least a year due to so many more pressing issues. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Why don't you go to a gun shop this weekend and really find out what's up based on what you want to purchase? Most times you can buy rifles, which an AR-15 is, in a neighboring state but look out for the extremely short supply of them and prices may be high.

Woah there. That's both a state and federal penalty. Crossing state lines for the express purpose of buying firearms is a no no. Bringing an illegal assault weapon into NYS is also a no no.

The real AR15s people have in your state were manufactured before the ban. And thus are "pre-ban" assault rifles. I believe you can buy and sell them amongst fellow New Yorkers. Prices are inflated because supply is cut off.

It seems that you can guarantee a CCW license through certain courses:
http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=9&f=4&t=227003

I'd just move. :p
 

Bulk Beef

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Oh fuck, here we go. blackbox is about to tell you that what you really want is an Enfield in 3...2...1...
 

adairusmc

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want an ar-15 anyway? what would you do with it?

Why do you incorrectly think that he needs to justify in any way, shape or form the purchase of an AR?
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want an ar-15 anyway? what would you do with it?

Why wouldn't you want an ar-15? Unless you're missing one of your hands, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to have one. You can hunt game, you can compete in marksmanship competitions, you can shoot burglars, and you can defend freedom. What's not to like?
 

jagec

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Originally posted by: duragezic
But I also read that an assault weapon is:

A semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm

Any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as:
...
Colt AR-15

Did you read this on a NY government website, or somewhere else? If it's not in the legal code, it's not the law. "Assault weapon" is a very vague term, and the only definition that matters is the one which is in YOUR state's law books, not what someone else or some other state defines it as.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: spidey07
Why don't you go to a gun shop this weekend and really find out what's up based on what you want to purchase? Most times you can buy rifles, which an AR-15 is, in a neighboring state but look out for the extremely short supply of them and prices may be high.

Woah there. That's both a state and federal penalty. Crossing state lines for the express purpose of buying firearms is a no no. Bringing an illegal assault weapon into NYS is also a no no.

The real AR15s people have in your state were manufactured before the ban. And thus are "pre-ban" assault rifles. I believe you can buy and sell them amongst fellow New Yorkers. Prices are inflated because supply is cut off.

It seems that you can guarantee a CCW license through certain courses:
http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=9&f=4&t=227003

I'd just move. :p

Nebor, you're severely mistaken on crossing state lines (at least as far as i'm concerned as I live in KY...don't know NY laws but they are one of those "funny" states) and the inflated prices are because of a 50% increase in demand.

I can't purchase a handgun outside of my state and own it, but I've purchased an AR-15 and AK-47 across the river in another state, provided my state license and everything. But I was also shopping in that state for other things.

Then again when it comes to the law I could be mistaken and don't take my word on it.
 

theblackbox

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nah, i'm just wondering. more power to the freedom of buying rifles, but i was just curious, someone who decided they wanted to buy guns, was going to get what they were going to get.
Now, the lee enfield.....

i was thinking for my next rifle i want to find a steyr SSG 69. i would love to have a new rifle.

 

theblackbox

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: theblackbox
why would you want an ar-15 anyway? what would you do with it?

Why wouldn't you want an ar-15? Unless you're missing one of your hands, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to have one. You can hunt game, you can compete in marksmanship competitions, you can shoot burglars, and you can defend freedom. What's not to like?


hunt game? Are you kidding? I guess if you aren't confident as a hunter that you could actually kill something with less then 20 rounds in the rifle. plus .223 isn't exactly the best hunting round.
marksmanship competitions: ok. fine.
shoot burglars: if i ever have a burglar in my house that is willing to wait for me to garnish a rifle, i welcome him to rob my house.
defend freedom: i'm thinking red dawn ain't ever gonna happen.

zombies someday, maybe.... but i'd want a little more power if i gotta seperate brainstalks to knock down zombies.
 

duragezic

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: duragezic
But I also read that an assault weapon is:

A semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm

Any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known as:
...
Colt AR-15

Did you read this on a NY government website, or somewhere else? If it's not in the legal code, it's not the law. "Assault weapon" is a very vague term, and the only definition that matters is the one which is in YOUR state's law books, not what someone else or some other state defines it as.
Not on a NY government site, although a user site dedicated to firearms in NY.

Nebor: Yeah there is always pre-bans. I figured those were fairly rare and very expensive even before this rush due to <explicit> Obama. I was figuring at least $1,000 for a decent AR-15 and a few things, post-ban. I'd think now, and a pre-ban, must be through the roof.
 

theblackbox

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i'd love to have an hk 91. how come you never here anybody say that?
you know, the only sad thing is that what if all these people buy up guns because they are ascared of obama coming into office and

a. nothing changes
b. there is a turn in program, where registered owners have to turn in their offending weapons.
c. zombies. then we'll be lucky all these homegrown militias courtin their ar-15's can come to the rescue in semi auto grandeur.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
i'd love to have an hk 91. how come you never here anybody say that?
you know, the only sad thing is that what if all these people buy up guns because they are ascared of obama coming into office and

a. nothing changes
b. there is a turn in program, where registered owners have to turn in their offending weapons.
c. zombies. then we'll be lucky all these homegrown militias courtin their ar-15's can come to the rescue in semi auto grandeur.

a. Highly unlikely
b. Revolution will commence
c. Shotgun is better
 

Pegun

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Are you permanent resident of New York State? NYS does not issue out of state permits (Trust me i tried everything to transfer my CT to NY), so if you still have a Out of state Driver's license, you'll run into major problems
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: theblackbox
i'd love to have an hk 91. how come you never here anybody say that?
you know, the only sad thing is that what if all these people buy up guns because they are ascared of obama coming into office and

a. nothing changes
b. there is a turn in program, where registered owners have to turn in their offending weapons.
c. zombies. then we'll be lucky all these homegrown militias courtin their ar-15's can come to the rescue in semi auto grandeur.

I have a 91 and a 93. Superb firearms with excellent reliability. Both are a little chunky though.
 

duragezic

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Originally posted by: Pegun
Are you permanent resident of New York State? NYS does not issue out of state permits (Trust me i tried everything to transfer my CT to NY), so if you still have a Out of state Driver's license, you'll run into major problems
I will be in a couple of weeks. I live and work here just haven't gotten my NYS license yet.

I guess I'll stop by the sheriff's office in a couple of weeks to see exactly what the rules are. I have a feeling I won't be able to get anything though.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Baked
I'm gonna move to a state where they allow me to own this sweet gun for home defense.

I think California is the only state that wouldn't allow it.
 

Aikouka

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New York has always been pretty bad for firearms... was definitely much easier living in PA with them.
 

Oyeve

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You cant even have a BB gun shipped into NY, and if you bring one in its also illegal. Anything that propels an object is illegal in NYC. So retarded. Unless you get a license, but no one will ship any firearm to NYC.