Fire set to construction equipment at future mosque site

[GarfieldtheCat]

So to be clear you think objecting to the location of a specific mosque near one of the most heinous acts of Islam is bigotry?

You are a fool, idiot, and bigot.

9/11 was a heinous act of TERRORISTS, not the Islamic community at large. If you will not or cannot understand this, you fail at any concept of logical thinking. The very fact that you say that shows you have not one clue about what you are talking about.

And you sure have got your panties in a wad about this, don't you? I mean, you must have posted 50+ times and started various threads all trying to show your displeasure about your concept of what is going on.

 

[shortylickens]

This weeks Time or Newsweek had a cover article about how we as a country hate Islam.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Muslims should take the same responsibility that present-day Germans take for their Nazi history.

Cool dawg, we'll gather the worlds entire population of Muslims into your state and have them apologize to you.

 

[nobodyknows]

No. I'm saying that Open Bigotry is Open Bigotry.

And as an Omnipotent Being you get to decide what is Open Bigotry??

LMAO@ Mr. "FAIL"

 

[nobodyknows]

You are a fool, idiot, and bigot.

9/11 was a heinous act of TERRORISTS, not the Islamic community at large. If you will not or cannot understand this, you fail at any concept of logical thinking. The very fact that you say that shows you have not one clue about what you are talking about.

And you sure have got your panties in a wad about this, don't you? I mean, you must have posted 50+ times and started various threads all trying to show your displeasure about your concept of what is going on.

Well, you have to admit that you can't fit 1.4 billion muslims into so few planes! I do remember stories of Muslims cheering in the streets after the attacks though.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/rel...id-so-many-muslims-seem-to-celebrate-911.html

Read and learn.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Well, you have to admit that you can't fit 1.4 billion muslims into so few planes! I do remember stories of Muslims cheering in the streets after the attacks though.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/rel...id-so-many-muslims-seem-to-celebrate-911.html

Read and learn.

You fail at logic. So a small minority cheered. That somehow implicates all 1.5 billion? Not.

There were (still are?) a small number of republicans that wore t-shirts with that psalms quote from the bible, saying they wanted Obama dead. Can we say all republicans want Obama dead? Of course not.

So somehow, according to you:

very small Muslim minority = all Muslims guilty
very small republican minority = not all republicans guilty
small minority of Christians killing abortion doctors = not all Christians guilty

You have a very perverted sense of reasoning.

 

[xj0hnx]

Well, you have to admit that you can't fit 1.4 billion muslims into so few planes! I do remember stories of Muslims cheering in the streets after the attacks though.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/rel...id-so-many-muslims-seem-to-celebrate-911.html

Read and learn.

And thousands of Iranians held candle light vigils for the victims of 9/11 too, what's your point?

http://www.time.com/time/europe/photoessays/vigil/

 

[Infohawk]

You are a fool, idiot, and bigot.

*Yawn*

Most Germans didn't commit the Holocaust. Most didn't even vote for Hitler. Do you think Germans need to take responsibility for it or not? I think they do. The alternative is nobody ever learning from their history.

 

[Dominato3r]

What the hell America?

 

[woolfe9999]

*Yawn*

Most Germans didn't commit the Holocaust. Most didn't even vote for Hitler. Do you think Germans need to take responsibility for it or not? I think they do. The alternative is nobody ever learning from their history.

Most actually DID vote for him, in two separate votes of confidence taken after he was in office. More importantly, Hitler was widely popular among the German people all the way until the end. Yet the collective responsibility of Germans is debatable, depending on how much a given individual knew of the genocide (it varied), and whatever could or couldn't be done about it from the standpoint of that individual. With Muslims and 911 it is even more problematic. Islam is a religion spread across many nations and cutlures, and Muslims are scattered throughout the earth. How broadly does this net of moral responsibility cast? The 911 attackers were also homo sapiens. Do we all need to apologize for 911? While the attackers in their own minds were doing this in the name of Islam, they didn't do it with the knowledge or permission of the other 1.5 billion muslims in the world.

I am half Jewish. Do I need to apologize for the behavior of Baruch Goldstein? So far as I'm concerned, the man was an asshole and his behavior didn't reflect broader Jewish values, and most importantly, not my own. Like hell I need to apologize for his actions.

- wolf

 

[sandorski]

And as an Omnipotent Being you get to decide what is Open Bigotry??

LMAO@ Mr. "FAIL"

Bigots determine what is Open Bigotry. Fail.

 

[werepossum]

Most actually DID vote for him, in two separate votes of confidence taken after he was in office. More importantly, Hitler was widely popular among the German people all the way until the end. Yet the collective responsibility of Germans is debatable, depending on how much a given individual knew of the genocide (it varied), and whatever could or couldn't be done about it from the standpoint of that individual. With Muslims and 911 it is even more problematic. Islam is a religion spread across many nations and cutlures, and Muslims are scattered throughout the earth. How broadly does this net of moral responsibility cast? The 911 attackers were also homo sapiens. Do we all need to apologize for 911? While the attackers in their own minds were doing this in the name of Islam, they didn't do it with the knowledge or permission of the other 1.5 billion muslims in the world.

I am half Jewish. Do I need to apologize for the behavior of Baruch Goldstein? So far as I'm concerned, the man was an asshole and his behavior didn't reflect broader Jewish values, and most importantly, not my own. Like hell I need to apologize for his actions.

- wolf

This does illustrate the difference between Islam and Judaism. There has been a bumper crop of Osamas named since 9/11 among Muslims all over the world. There was and is no such flood of Baruchs after the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre.

I've read loads of World War II memoirs from German soldiers, most of whom were not NAZI party members. Most take care to put in something about how much they disliked Hitler and disagreed with his policies. A few, though, like Student and Peiper, were more honest, saying essentially that had Germany won they certainly would not disapprove of Hitler, so it would be dishonest to do so for personal leniency. Hitler was indeed popular when he was winning, and among the military officers who disliked him it seems to be much more for his incompetence and the damage to Germany and her military than for his evil genocidal behavior. Most people are willing to overlook or ignore a certain amount of evil if they perceive their country's condition being improved, especially if like interwar Germany they are oppressed economically and otherwise. That probably applies to Muslims as well; I would guess that fewer of those who live in relatively more free Islamic states like Malaysia or Turkey approve of Osama than those in states like Iran or Libya.