FIOS HD Channel Expansion

[idiotekniQues]

well verizon is a bit late but they came through with a ton of new HD channels for FIOS.

some highlights for me are the extra sports HD channels, BravoHD, Travel Channel HD, Animal Planet HD, HistoryHD, BiographyHD, SmithsonianHD, Sci Fi HD, TLC HD, A&E HD, CNN HD and a few others, plus the older existing HD like FOOD and Discovery.

very nice!

I'd really like Comedy Central in HD but im not even sure they broadcast it yet.


the funny channel is Fox Business HD in the guide is FoxBusHD - FOXBUSHD lolol




The list here:

502 CBS HD
504 NBC HD
505 FOX HD
507 ABC HD
509 MY HD
511 CW HD
513 PBS HD
550 USA HD
551 TNT HD
552 TBS HD (Stretch-o-vision)
553 FX HD
567 U HD
568 WGN HD
569 HDNET
570 ESPN HD
572 ESPNewsHD
574 ESPN2 HD
576 YES HD
577 SNY HD
581 Beijing 08 (logo says Sci Fi)
582 Beijing 08 (logo says USA)
583 Speed HD
585 BigTenHD
588 NFLNet
590 VS GolfHD
591 OutDR HD (Need to subscribe)
597 WFN HD (Need to subscribe)
598 Mav TV HD ( Need to subscribe)
600 CNN HD
602 CNBC HD
617 FoxBusHD
618 FoxNewsHD
619 TWC HD
620 Disc HD
621 NGC HD
622 Sci HD
625 Smiths HD
628 Hist HD
629 Bio HD
630 AN PL HD
631 HDT
639 TLC HD
640 LIFE HD
641 LMN HD
650 QVC HD
664 FOOD HD
665 HGTV HD
668 PLANTG HD
669 WEALTH
670 TRAVEL HD
680 Sci Fi HD
681 A&E HD -- 50
685 Bravo HD
699 ABC FAM HD
711 MHD
740 HMC HD (with crazy sidebars)
744 MGM HD
756 HDNet MV
780 Disney HD
781 ToonDis HD
840 STRZ HD
842 SZEDGEHD
845 SZFHD
847 SZCMDYHD
865 SHO HD
866 SHO HD w
867 SHOSHC HD (Coming Soon)
868 SHOSHC HDw (Coming Soon)
869 SHO2 HD
870 SHOW2 HD w
873 SHOEXT HD (Coming Soon)
874 SHOEXT HD w (Coming Soon)
885 TMC HD
886 TMC HD w
887 TMCXTR HD (Coming Soon)
888 TMCXTR HDw (comming Soon)
889 HBO HD
901 HBO HD w
902 HBO2HD
903 HBO2HD w
904 HBOSIG
905 HBOSIG w
906 HBOFAM
907 HBOFAM w
908 HBOCOM
909 HBOCOM w
910 HBOZON
911 HBOZON w
912 HBOLAT
913 HBOLAT w
920 MAX HD
921 MAX HD w
922 MORMAX
923 MORMAX w
924 ACTMAX
925 ACTMAX w
926 THRMAX
927 THRMAX w
928 WMAX HD
929 ATMAX
930 SSTMAX
931 OUTERMAX

 

[SoulAssassin]

damn, that's pretty nice. I'm just pissed I can't get Discovery HD here with Comcast.

 

[spidey07]

Very impressive. Would be concerned about compression.

 

[Zorro]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Very impressive. Would be concerned about compression.

no compression they transmit what the VHO receives.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: Zorro

Originally posted by: spidey07
Very impressive. Would be concerned about compression.

no compression they transmit what the VHO receives.

yep. its not completely true when they say no compression because the providers of the channels do compress otherwise it would be insane bandwidth - but Verizon does not add ANY additional compression once they get it unlike some other providers.

 

[BigJ]

It went live here about a week ago. It's nice

 

[NL5]

Dammit, I want the FOX/BUSH channel!!!

 

[MaxDepth]

Verizon site says it ain't available for me yet. Anyone know of a site or place I check on their roll out plans?

 

[TallBill]

Fuck, I get like 20 channels, and most are gay.

 

[mugs]

I just had to deal with setting up service from Comcast, and I want FiOS :|

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: Zorro

Originally posted by: spidey07
Very impressive. Would be concerned about compression.

no compression they transmit what the VHO receives.

yep. its not completely true when they say no compression because the providers of the channels do compress otherwise it would be insane bandwidth - but Verizon does not add ANY additional compression once they get it unlike some other providers.

I don't think that's true.

Even though they are on fiber, they transmit their "cable tv" using conventional cable TV signaling on 1550nm in "overlay mode." It's no different than any other cable provider's signaling (fiber or not). That mode of transmission has constraints just like any other cable TV signaling.

 

[ScottMac]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Verizon site says it ain't available for me yet. Anyone know of a site or place I check on their roll out plans?

They generally don't provide their "plan" for competitive reasons. They don't want the CableCo to be able to form a counter-offensive campaign.

 

[compbuilder00]

that channel expansion pissed me off becuase i had to learn where all the channels were rearranged to !!!

 

[Sinsear]

I :heart: my FIOS. Time to relearn the channels though.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: Zorro

Originally posted by: spidey07
Very impressive. Would be concerned about compression.

no compression they transmit what the VHO receives.

yep. its not completely true when they say no compression because the providers of the channels do compress otherwise it would be insane bandwidth - but Verizon does not add ANY additional compression once they get it unlike some other providers.

I don't think that's true.

Even though they are on fiber, they transmit their "cable tv" using conventional cable TV signaling on 1550nm in "overlay mode." It's no different than any other cable provider's signaling (fiber or not). That mode of transmission has constraints just like any other cable TV signaling.

I was under the impression they broadcast at a higher bitrate than cable and satellite, but I'm not 100% on this.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

Originally posted by: Zorro

Originally posted by: spidey07
Very impressive. Would be concerned about compression.

no compression they transmit what the VHO receives.

yep. its not completely true when they say no compression because the providers of the channels do compress otherwise it would be insane bandwidth - but Verizon does not add ANY additional compression once they get it unlike some other providers.

I don't think that's true.

Even though they are on fiber, they transmit their "cable tv" using conventional cable TV signaling on 1550nm in "overlay mode." It's no different than any other cable provider's signaling (fiber or not). That mode of transmission has constraints just like any other cable TV signaling.

ive read what i said above a few places and ill try to dig that up.

here are some fun numbers:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

Average bitrates were obtained by comparing the size of each recording, in total bytes, and dividing by the total number of seconds reported by VideoRedo. Multiplied by 8 to convert MBps to Mbps.

Average Bitrates on FiOS v. Comcast
Code:

FiOS Comcast Difference

AETV HD 18.66 Mbps 14.48 Mbps -28.9%
Discovery HD 14.16 Mbps 10.43 Mbps -35.8%
Discovery HD Theater 17.45 Mbps 12.60 Mbps -38.5%
Food Network HD 14.32 Mbps 13.73 Mbps -4.3%
HGTV HD 14.76 Mbps 12.43 Mbps -18.7%
MHD 17.73 Mbps 13.21 Mbps -34.2%
National Geographic HD 13.40 Mbps 11.92 Mbps -12.4%
Universal HD 12.72 Mbps 11.01 Mbps -15.5%

HBO HD 8.87 Mbps 8.81 Mbps -0.7%
Cinemax HD 11.40 Mbps 10.77 Mbps -5.8%
Starz HD 11.93 Mbps 9.76 Mbps -22.2%

CNN HD 11.42 Mbps
History HD 10.40 Mbps
SciFi HD 12.59 Mbps
USA HD 12.48 Mbps

 

[GoingUp]

Damn. Thats quite a list!

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
ive read what i said above a few places and ill try to dig that up.

here are some fun numbers:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

Average bitrates were obtained by comparing the size of each recording, in total bytes, and dividing by the total number of seconds reported by VideoRedo. Multiplied by 8 to convert MBps to Mbps.

Average Bitrates on FiOS v. Comcast
Code:

FiOS Comcast Difference

AETV HD 18.66 Mbps 14.48 Mbps -28.9%
Discovery HD 14.16 Mbps 10.43 Mbps -35.8%
Discovery HD Theater 17.45 Mbps 12.60 Mbps -38.5%
Food Network HD 14.32 Mbps 13.73 Mbps -4.3%
HGTV HD 14.76 Mbps 12.43 Mbps -18.7%
MHD 17.73 Mbps 13.21 Mbps -34.2%
National Geographic HD 13.40 Mbps 11.92 Mbps -12.4%
Universal HD 12.72 Mbps 11.01 Mbps -15.5%

HBO HD 8.87 Mbps 8.81 Mbps -0.7%
Cinemax HD 11.40 Mbps 10.77 Mbps -5.8%
Starz HD 11.93 Mbps 9.76 Mbps -22.2%

CNN HD 11.42 Mbps
History HD 10.40 Mbps
SciFi HD 12.59 Mbps
USA HD 12.48 Mbps

I think you need to understand what ScottMac said and then look at your own numbers. It's all how they use that lambda for video distribution.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
ive read what i said above a few places and ill try to dig that up.

here are some fun numbers:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1008271

Average bitrates were obtained by comparing the size of each recording, in total bytes, and dividing by the total number of seconds reported by VideoRedo. Multiplied by 8 to convert MBps to Mbps.

Average Bitrates on FiOS v. Comcast
Code:

FiOS Comcast Difference

AETV HD 18.66 Mbps 14.48 Mbps -28.9%
Discovery HD 14.16 Mbps 10.43 Mbps -35.8%
Discovery HD Theater 17.45 Mbps 12.60 Mbps -38.5%
Food Network HD 14.32 Mbps 13.73 Mbps -4.3%
HGTV HD 14.76 Mbps 12.43 Mbps -18.7%
MHD 17.73 Mbps 13.21 Mbps -34.2%
National Geographic HD 13.40 Mbps 11.92 Mbps -12.4%
Universal HD 12.72 Mbps 11.01 Mbps -15.5%

HBO HD 8.87 Mbps 8.81 Mbps -0.7%
Cinemax HD 11.40 Mbps 10.77 Mbps -5.8%
Starz HD 11.93 Mbps 9.76 Mbps -22.2%

CNN HD 11.42 Mbps
History HD 10.40 Mbps
SciFi HD 12.59 Mbps
USA HD 12.48 Mbps

I think you need to understand what ScottMac said and then look at your own numbers. It's all how they use that lambda for video distribution.

i understood. he was implying that in the end they are all restricted by the same backbone.

but that is incorrect, they are not all on the same capability networks:

"An interesting thread over in the AVSForums discusses how Comcast is sacrificing HD image quality as it faces competitive pressure on the HD front from both DirecTV and Verizon. Verizon obviously has ample capacity thanks to their FTTH/coax network (with GPON upgrades and all-IP on the way), and DirecTV decided to dump broadband and focus their satellite capacity on MPEG-4 HD back in 2004. Comcast on the other hand, waiting for DOCSIS 3.0, has started cramming three HD channels into each 38.8Mbps QAM, reducing image quality"

http://www.dslreports.com/show...-Quality-Vs-FiOS-92969

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: mugs
I just had to deal with setting up service from Comcast, and I want FiOS :|

I know how you feel. My parents have FiOS at home, but the only real option in an apartment in Chicago is Comcrap .

 

[idiotekniQues]

or he could write verizon and say they are lying, cause this is their statement:

"the company's media relations director Bobbi Henson did note that the real purpose was to show that "FiOS TV customers are receiving HD that's not compressed by Verizon." She noted in an e-mail statement that "content owners compress their video before sending it to video service providers, but [Verizon] forwards the signal to its customers the way that [they arrive].""

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008...ts-of-uncompressed-hd/

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: ScottMac

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Verizon site says it ain't available for me yet. Anyone know of a site or place I check on their roll out plans?

They generally don't provide their "plan" for competitive reasons. They don't want the CableCo to be able to form a counter-offensive campaign.

if you poke around the dslreports forums for fios you can find the schedule.

I get mine on 8/14. I actually see the date for the new channel show up in my guide. Check out ESPNHD and if should have a date for the channel change.

 

[T9D]

Man thats an awesome list. And no compression unlike comcast. Comcast is dulling down it's HD to much with compression (and few channels)

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i understood. he was implying that in the end they are all restricted by the same backbone.

but that is incorrect, they are not all on the same capability networks:

"An interesting thread over in the AVSForums discusses how Comcast is sacrificing HD image quality as it faces competitive pressure on the HD front from both DirecTV and Verizon. Verizon obviously has ample capacity thanks to their FTTH/coax network (with GPON upgrades and all-IP on the way), and DirecTV decided to dump broadband and focus their satellite capacity on MPEG-4 HD back in 2004. Comcast on the other hand, waiting for DOCSIS 3.0, has started cramming three HD channels into each 38.8Mbps QAM, reducing image quality"

http://www.dslreports.com/show...-Quality-Vs-FiOS-92969

bwahahahhahaahahahaahhaha

What is this magical "backbone" that you speak of? Beware of things you read on the intarweb and google. They are most likely not true.

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i understood. he was implying that in the end they are all restricted by the same backbone.

but that is incorrect, they are not all on the same capability networks:

"An interesting thread over in the AVSForums discusses how Comcast is sacrificing HD image quality as it faces competitive pressure on the HD front from both DirecTV and Verizon. Verizon obviously has ample capacity thanks to their FTTH/coax network (with GPON upgrades and all-IP on the way), and DirecTV decided to dump broadband and focus their satellite capacity on MPEG-4 HD back in 2004. Comcast on the other hand, waiting for DOCSIS 3.0, has started cramming three HD channels into each 38.8Mbps QAM, reducing image quality"

http://www.dslreports.com/show...-Quality-Vs-FiOS-92969

bwahahahhahaahahahaahhaha

What is this magical "backbone" that you speak of? Beware of things you read on the intarweb and google. They are most likely not true.

it doesnt matter if i understood the exact technical nature of his post because i understood the gist of it. substitute backbone for format or whatever he meant, i got the gist of it.

turns out i was right, verizon does not compress things further while comcast, amongst some other major providers, does. i then gave links.

i suggest you read and edumacate yourself a bit.


cheers