Fiona

[TheGardener]

It's hard to remember back to when Bruce Jenner rumors started. The first thing I thought was why would he do this? I had no idea about how the Kardashian clan could screw up your mind.

Well this one is not so hard to figure out. If true, my thought is, why did it take so long? Re: Richard Simmons ------> Fiona.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/richard-simmons-woman-sex-change-national-enquirer-photos/

 

[nakedfrog]

It's hard to remember back to when Bruce Jenner rumors started. The first thing I thought was why would he do this? I had no idea about how the Kardashian clan could screw up your mind.

You don't get it. You have no desire to get it.

Well this one is not so hard to figure out. If true, my thought is, why did it take so long? Re: Richard Simmons ------> Fiona.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/richard-simmons-woman-sex-change-national-enquirer-photos/

National Enquirer? Seems legit.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

You don't get it. You have no desire to get it.

National Enquirer? Seems legit.

Yeah, you can't trust stuff like that until the Weekly World News covers it. They're the only truly reliable source.

 

[Paladin3]

Nobody "screwed up" Katelyn Jenner's mind. It's a predisposition most transgendered people are born with. It's not a mental illness.

LIKELY CAUSES

"There is strong evidence that most transgender people are born with a predisposition to being transgender that was formed prenatally. Generally gender identity seems to be fully formed before age 6 and then becomes very difficult to change or influence later.

There are thought to be 3 major factors in development, Chemical/Hormonal, Genetic and Environmental.

We know from brain studies that men and women have small yet specific and identifiable structures in the brain that are different in size and proportion. When the brains of transgender persons are analyzed they almost always consistently match the bain structure of their adopted gender not their birth sex. Male to female transsexuals have female brain structures. These changes are thought to be caused due to hormonal or chemical imbalances that cause the wrong hormones to be expressed prenatally. The sample sizes are small in these studies due to the low number of transgender persons brains for medical study after death, but research is ongoing. There is a consistent trend even with the small and growing sample size."

 

[luv2liv]

why does more men want to be women though?
or maybe there are more women wanting to be men but we dont know because they are not famous enough? in real life, i only met 3 men that physically changed to women. so the number is too low to say that's the normal direction.

 

[Homerboy]

I love threads like this. Really makes the dumb-asses shine.

 

[KB]

You mean Richard Simmons isn't a woman already?

Could have fooled me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zis6Nt21uOU

 

[Sonikku]

Good for her if true. :thumbsup:

 

[nakedfrog]

why does more men want to be women though?
or maybe there are more women wanting to be men but we dont know because they are not famous enough? in real life, i only met 3 men that physically changed to women. so the number is too low to say that's the normal direction.

What makes you think the number is any higher than it has been in the past?

 

[zinfamous]

It's hard to remember back to when Bruce Jenner rumors started. The first thing I thought was why would he do this? I had no idea about how the Kardashian clan could screw up your mind.

Huh?

Dude was this way back when he was a kid. You didn't know he was often wearing women's clothing under his running get-up back when he was competing in the Olympics?

 

[zinfamous]

why does more men want to be women though?
or maybe there are more women wanting to be men but we dont know because they are not famous enough? in real life, i only met 3 men that physically changed to women. so the number is too low to say that's the normal direction.

That's way more than I have met.

I would say that the real number has been the same as it has always been....but that's the little evolutionary geneticist in me talking. :\

 

[Stopsignhank]

Oh the sheer horror of trying to pick who to believe, the National Enquirer or People magazine.

http://www.people.com/article/richard-simmons-denies-transition-reports

Richard Simmons is not taking steps toward transitioning into a woman.

"It's not true," Simmons' rep Tom Estey tells PEOPLE in response to reports about the fitness guru. "He is not transitioning into a woman. He has decided to live quietly the last few years. He had knee surgery a few years ago and has a bum knee. He is still on Twitter and Facebook and works behind the scenes continuing to inspire and motivate people to lose weight. When he decides to come back, he will come back."

 

[allisolm]

Oh the sheer horror of trying to pick who to believe, the National Enquirer or People magazine.

http://www.people.com/article/richard-simmons-denies-transition-reports

Well, there's always fox news http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ons-transitioning-into-woman-report-says.html

but I don't think that mitigates the horror any.

 

[lxskllr]

I read somethimg about Simmons being held hostage by his housekeeper. Not letting him see see old friends/acquaintances, and pretty much controlling his life. It was kind of a gossipy story, and I don't remember where I read it, but there's that.

 

[brianmanahan]

i knew richard simmons was a woman within since i was like 8 years old.

 

[TheGardener]

Huh?

Dude was this way back when he was a kid. You didn't know he was often wearing women's clothing under his running get-up back when he was competing in the Olympics?

I don't think anyone suspected back when he was an Olympic hero. You are correct, I did not. Did you? Please tell us when you first believed it. Am I suppose to feel awkward because I didn't know, until the tabloids started to feature his changes. The only thing I noticed before then, was that he had some awful cosmetic surgery, which I didn't understand.

I know that these tabloids make up a lot of stuff. Maybe the Richard Simmons story is made up too. But there are many stories that are true. Remember that the main stream newspapers wouldn't carry the story about Sen John Edwards' infidelity with his cancer stricken wife, until the National Inquirer ran the story?

 

[darkswordsman17]

I read somethimg about Simmons being held hostage by his housekeeper. Not letting him see see old friends/acquaintances, and pretty much controlling his life. It was kind of a gossipy story, and I don't remember where I read it, but there's that.

Yeah there were reports about that. I think the police were even called and he refused to answer the door but said he was fine and not under duress or something.

I don't think anyone suspected back when he was an Olympic hero. You are correct, I did not. Did you? Please tell us when you first believed it. Am I suppose to feel awkward because I didn't know, until the tabloids started to feature his changes. The only thing I noticed before then, was that he had some awful cosmetic surgery, which I didn't understand.

I know that these tabloids make up a lot of stuff. Maybe the Richard Simmons story is made up too. But there are many stories that are true. Remember that the main stream newspapers wouldn't carry the story about Sen John Edwards' infidelity with his cancer stricken wife, until the National Inquirer ran the story?

I think the kept that private. But one of his ex-wives from way back then said he had talked about it. This wasn't some recent thing.

 

[TheGardener]

Nobody "screwed up" Katelyn Jenner's mind. It's a predisposition most transgendered people are born with. It's not a mental illness.

You claim it is not a mental illness. Name another demographic group, other than suicide bombers, who have a higher suicide attempt rate. This is based on a scientific study.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf


Suicide attempts among trans men
(46%) and trans women (42%) were
slightly higher than the full sample (41%).
Cross-dressers assigned male at birth
have the lowest reported prevalence of
suicide attempts among gender identity
groups (21%).

 

[Paladin3]

You claim it is not a mental illness. Name another demographic group, other than suicide bombers, who have a higher suicide attempt rate. This is based on a scientific study.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf


Suicide attempts among trans men
(46%) and trans women (42%) were
slightly higher than the full sample (41%).
Cross-dressers assigned male at birth
have the lowest reported prevalence of
suicide attempts among gender identity
groups (21%).

Couldn't be that living in a world where most of society shuns, hates or even commits violence against you for expressing a gender identity outside the norm takes a toll on a person, could it?

 

[darkswordsman17]

You claim it is not a mental illness. Name another demographic group, other than suicide bombers, who have a higher suicide attempt rate. This is based on a scientific study.

http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf


Suicide attempts among trans men
(46%) and trans women (42%) were
slightly higher than the full sample (41%).
Cross-dressers assigned male at birth
have the lowest reported prevalence of
suicide attempts among gender identity
groups (21%).

It is a mental illness, just not in the way you seem to think.

The problem is they're damned if they do damned if they don't. They can try to live miserably as the gender they were born as, or they can go through hell to change, risking all manner of problems, and possibly end up even worse off.

Getting gender reassignment is no easy task. And to make matters worse, some of them find it doesn't actually help or that they don't feel any more like the other gender than the one they were born as (for instance there have been people that had a sex change, only to realize they actually feel more right as being their original gender and being gay).

 

[A Casual Fitz]

Why does everyone keep calling Caitlyn Jenner a man?

 

[darkswordsman17]

Why does everyone keep calling Caitlyn Jenner a man?

I'd like to claim its because the time period I was referring to he identified as such, but the honest answer is, I don't have enough experience being around any transgender persons and therefore don't have experience in actively thinking about and referring to them as their preferred gender. Its not out of malice, but it definitely would take some acclimation on my part. And then someone who was a well known celebrity before, there's some extra need to actively think it through to overcome the instinct to think of them as who they were largely identified as. I personally have zero problem with being called out or corrected about it.

 

[Captante]

You mean Richard Simmons isn't a woman already?

Could have fooled me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zis6Nt21uOU

I know right? I wasn't even mildly surprised.

 

[pcgeek11]

Why does everyone keep calling Caitlyn Jenner a man?

Because he is.

 

[who?]

Jenner always felt like a girl and dressed up in sisters clothes back in the day. It would have been terrible and rude but totally right to say that the decathlon stuff was trying to run away from the inner truth. The Olympic gold was overcompensating.
True transgenders felt off their whole lives. Grown ups who suddenly say " Oh I know what's wrong! I'm trans!" but they haven't felt that way their whole lives probably aren't.