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S Freud

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So I will lay my financial situation out for all of ATOT to see and hopefully give some advice.

I am a 19 year old sophomore, living in an apartment with a roommate paying $280 a month total living expenses.


Current Debts:
HSBC no interest CC: $600

My Job:

I work at a grocery store as a checker, I make $7.63hr and usually work around 20 hours a week though I am going to ask for more and I can put money into a 401K if I choose.

My Goals:
To start saving money away, mainly like 3 months living expenses and then being able to start putting money into savings or to start invest.

My question to the people of ATOT is how should I do this, I was once told this would be next to impossible with the the wage/hours that I work.

Thanks for any help
 

akshatp

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Originally posted by: S Freud
...I was once told this would be next to impossible with the the wage/hours that I work.

Then you should be told again.

Its next to impossible with the wages/hours you work.


Unless, of course, you don't mind living in a box on the street...Then you could put away your rent and bills money.
 

Auggie

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does that 280/month include food/transportation/entertainment?

if so, you've got ~$330/month of expendable income.

since you're young and probably without lots of responsibilities, you can probably get away with a "safety net" of about two thousand dollars, which will take 6 months to save up to.

you want to have at least two grand in money that you can quickly and tax-free-ly access... i highly suggest you do that by having a savings account instead of relying on credit cards.

after six months, just start throwing all your expendable money into a Roth IRA. fifty years later... profit.

BUT SERIOUSLY DON'T ASK ATOT QUESTIONS LIKE THIS - TALK TO A BANKER/ASSET MANAGER.

sorry for the caps, but... dude, you're asking strangers for advice on how to save/spend all your money :)
 
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What are you doing to make something of yourself?

Seems like you want financial advice when you make enough to bascically live day to day.

You only work 20 hours a week, are you going to school?
 

S Freud

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Originally posted by: Auggie
does that 280/month include food/transportation/entertainment?

I ride the bus to and from campus, I only drive to work which is less then 2 miles. Entertainment is netflix(5.99) and ATOT :p
 

S Freud

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
What are you doing to make something of yourself?

Seems like you want financial advice when you make enough to bascically live day to day.

You only work 20 hours a week, are you going to school?

Yeah, I am a sophomore at the local CC, studying business with minor in psych. I am going to be asking for more hours this week, I think the boss just tries not to burden us with a lot of hours at first if we're going to school.
 

akshatp

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Cancel the Netflix account and put the 5.99/month into an interest bearing CD. You will have easily over $90 saved by this time next year.
 
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Originally posted by: S Freud
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
What are you doing to make something of yourself?

Seems like you want financial advice when you make enough to bascically live day to day.

You only work 20 hours a week, are you going to school?

Yeah, I am a sophomore at the local CC, studying business with minor in psych. I am going to be asking for more hours this week, I think the boss just tries not to burden us with a lot of hours at first if we're going to school.

The 3 months of money in savings is a good idea. But in your case, it's not really needed. You are working as an unskilled laborer. That rule usually pertains to people that are professionals that might need 3 or 4 months to find a new job if they get laid off or fired or whatever. If you loose your job, you'll probably have a new job in a week or two.

So save up a month's worth of living expenses. 3 months is overkill for you. EDT: Actually, I forgot about hte "you are really sick" scenerio where you cn't work for 2 months. Maybe you should do this afterall.

Also, eliminate you CC debt. Just get rid of it.

ANd first and foremost, GET GOOD GRADES!

As for the 401K.... I wouldn't. Wait till you get a professional job when you are making more. YOu will probably kill yourself to put $1K into a 401K a year. And 4 years later, you'll have $4K in it. When you start working professionally, you'll do that in 1 year. I'd personally just toss it into savings. This is debatable though.
 

S Freud

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Originally posted by: akshatp
Cancel the Netflix account and put the 5.99/month into an interest bearing CD. You will have easily over $90 saved by this time next year.

Very true, I've cut everything else...eating out, going to the movies, etc. I thought I could keep this as my one form of entertainment.

But I guess if I want to save.
 

akshatp

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Originally posted by: S Freud
Originally posted by: akshatp
Cancel the Netflix account and put the 5.99/month into an interest bearing CD. You will have easily over $90 saved by this time next year.

Very true, I've cut everything else...eating out, going to the movies, etc. I thought I could keep this as my one form of entertainment.

But I guess if I want to save.

Ummm... Your sarcasm meter must be broken. It was a joke...
 

her209

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Education, past work experiences, and future ambitions would be nice to know.
 

S Freud

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Originally posted by: her209
Education, past work experiences, and future ambitions would be nice to know.

As of right now I am a sophomore at the local CC getting ready to transfer after this term to the Univerity, I want to get at least my masters degree.

My past work experience is pretty much what I am doing now, grocery store, running farm equipment, other high school, college type jobs.

As stated above I want to get at least my masters, and would like to start saving money to put away and some to invest also. Just a few of my ambitions.
 

akshatp

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Search craigslist for possible drug-running opportunities to Mexico and/or Canada. They pay much better and have far greater 401k options AFAIK. Your savings problems will be gone within months and you can move into a bigger apartment with a suede rug and all.


















Just in case your sarcasm meter is REALLY broken, this also was a joke.
 

S Freud

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Originally posted by: JS80
small and mid cap funds

Thanks for the tip, but at the moment I'm not really looking for stock advice. More how I can save on the poor wage that I earn or any ways to make money to save.

Thanks though :)
 

faenix

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Just worry about school and living off your wages first.. I don't see you going anywhere with your grocery work
 

S Freud

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Originally posted by: faenix
Just worry about school and living off your wages first.. I don't see you going anywhere with your grocery work

I was afraid this might be the answer, though I may have to live with this reality until I graduate and make enough money.

Thanks for the input :)
 

Elbryn

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i think that you are way ahead of the game by doing thinking about this early. and if you are willing to do itm dont let everyone who is discounting your plans because you only make 7.63 an hour get in the way.
by your own admission, you're making 7.63 x 20 hrs a week x 4 weeks a month = about 600 a month, what are you getting after taxes? assuming about 500?
you spend in 280 in monthly fixed expenses.
that gives you about 200 a month in discretionary income?

what exactly is keeping you from saving or investing that excess money? if you have nothing right now it would only take you 4 months to save your 3 month emergency fund.

Now, as a student if you can find the cash is the best time to put money into a roth ira. mainly because you're in the lowest tax bracket you'll likely ever be in.

How disciplined are you with money?
heres a tactic that will require quite a bit of discipline but can get you money if you are careful.
if you can take out bigger student loans than you need, assuming they are deferred until after graduation, you can then turn around and put the money into some 5.5+% cd's 2-3 years in length. obviously, the more you pull and put in, the more you'll make by leveraging the student loans. if the desire is to invest, you could choose to have the interest income on the cd's go to a checking account to then be placed into your choosen investment vehicle. then when you graduate, cash in the cds and pay off the loans. be careful with the maturation dates to make sure things time out right.

 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Auggie
does that 280/month include food/transportation/entertainment?

if so, you've got ~$330/month of expendable income.

since you're young and probably without lots of responsibilities, you can probably get away with a "safety net" of about two thousand dollars, which will take 6 months to save up to.

you want to have at least two grand in money that you can quickly and tax-free-ly access... i highly suggest you do that by having a savings account instead of relying on credit cards.

after six months, just start throwing all your expendable money into a Roth IRA. fifty years later... profit.

BUT SERIOUSLY DON'T ASK ATOT QUESTIONS LIKE THIS - TALK TO A BANKER/ASSET MANAGER.

sorry for the caps, but... dude, you're asking strangers for advice on how to save/spend all your money :)

Yes, nobody is knowledgable about finance except for a guy you have to pay. That's about the more idiotic statement I have ever seen here.

Unless your company does matching, I wouldn't start a 401(k).

Personally, if I had extra money that I wanted to start investing, I would follow JS80's advice. A 401K is only a plan that allows you to take pre-tax deductions from your checks and apply them to a investment account, an employer may or may not match your funds in that account. Among the investment options in your investment account will be anywhere from 5-infinte investment options, most of the time mutual funds offered by the plan administrator (Ameriprise for mine, Fidelity for my wife's).

These funds will usually be a large-cap, mid-cap, small-cap, international, and a bond fund. Of course there are other permutations, such as a value (low fundamental metrics but high value) or growth (high fundamental metrics but also high growth potential).

You can essentially get the same effect of a 401k, minus the tax benefit (which is small in your situation) by just saving money from each paycheck and putting it into a brokerage account at a discount broker (Etrade or such). Once you reach the minimum for an Exchange Traded Fund, or another targeted mutual fund (like the ones offered by the 401k plan administrator), invest your funds.

Do not invest in single companies, only stick to index funds or mutual funds. Speculative investing takes time, research, and knowledge, and shouldn't be done by most individuals if they do not have all three.

An index fund is basically a match of the popular indexes (S&P 500, S&P 1000, Russel, DJIA, NASDAQ) where you essentially buy a small undevided slice in an overall fund, which includes multitudes of other investors. The fund administrator purchases, in the exact index weighting, every stock in the index, effectively mirroring the whole targeted stock index.

This gets you massive diversification with low fees (unlike mutual funds, which are high fees for administration) and also gives you long-run less risky returns.

As far as not getting advice from a message board. I personally have my CFA, which is the highest certification (IMHO and market opinion) you can get for investment management (sorry CFPs, your test is much easier and isn't nearly as detailed) and an MBA concentration in finance and I work in the capital markets.

JS80 is pretty dang good at this stuff also and has a lot of familiarity with the capital markets. Other people on here have a lot of practical experience but not really the flashy certifications, which is fine since experience counts for more than just a certification. People who study the capital markets and finance are pretty knowledgable. I think one of the most interesting guys I know in this area I met while discussing finance on Genmay and he is a car mechanic, he knew more than me in some areas!

It's great that you want to start early. If your budget allows for it, certainly do so, because it will definitely help you out down the road.
 

JEDI

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Originally posted by: S Freud
So I will lay my financial situation out for all of ATOT to see and hopefully give some advice.

I am a 19 year old sophomore, living in an apartment with a roommate paying $280 a month total living expenses.


Current Debts:
HSBC no interest CC: $600

My Job:

I work at a grocery store as a checker, I make $7.63hr and usually work around 20 hours a week though I am going to ask for more and I can put money into a 401K if I choose.

My Goals:
To start saving money away, mainly like 3 months living expenses and then being able to start putting money into savings or to start invest.

My question to the people of ATOT is how should I do this, I was once told this would be next to impossible with the the wage/hours that I work.

Thanks for any help

parodi, right?
 

GasX

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What are you saving for?

If it is your "future" then find a mutal fund company that let's you put in $25 per month and start there. Save everything else in cash. When you make more, save more.

If you are saving for predictable expenses slated to hit in the next few years (like school bills), then save 100% cash. Forget interest. Make it grow through discipline.
 

dullard

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I'll go against the "conventional wisdom" in your case. Yes, it is good to want to save early. Yes, it is good to start now. But, no, it isn't worth doing what you are proposing to do that saving.

Suppose you cut your life down to the very, very bare minimum. Virtually no entertainment and living a fairly boring, dull life for the next 5 years. 5 years of going go school full time plus doing more than half time at a job. In that case, maybe, just maybe you can save $200 a month. Even with good rates of return, you'll be under $15k by the end of it all and probably a lot closer to $13k. That is 5 years of misery (working 60+ hours a week and having little to no vacation or entertainment) all for a measly $13k-$15k.

Then all of a sudden you are out of school with a master's degree. Three months of scrimping then will quite likely net you $13k-$15k depending on your career.

So, what is the better trade off? (A) 5 years of scrimping and misery or (B) 3 months of scrimping after you graduate.

I'll take option B any day and any time.

Saving now is a good thing. It is a good idea. If you can save a bit, do it. But don't take on so many work hours that your school suffers. Don't drop your expenses so much that you are left with nothing for entertainment. The pain you are suggesting isn't worth the measly gains. Your college years are supposed to be some of your best years of your life. Enjoy it while you can. Focus now on doing well in school (the best investment you could ever make), leave enough money for some good times (investing in your sanity), and if any is left over, put it in a high yield online savings account. You are already investing a tremendous amount (school + sanity), you don't need to invest more.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: dullard
I'll go against the "conventional wisdom" in your case. Yes, it is good to want to save early. Yes, it is good to start now. But, no, it isn't worth doing what you are proposing to do that saving.

Suppose you cut your life down to the very, very bare minimum. Virtually no entertainment and living a fairly boring, dull life for the next 5 years. 5 years of going go school full time plus doing more than half time at a job. In that case, maybe, just maybe you can save $200 a month. Even with good rates of return, you'll be under $15k by the end of it all and probably a lot closer to $13k. That is 5 years of misery (working 60+ hours a week and having little to no vacation or entertainment) all for a measly $13k-$15k.

Then all of a sudden you are out of school with a master's degree. Three months of scrimping then will quite likely net you $13k-$15k depending on your career.

So, what is the better trade off? (A) 5 years of scrimping and misery or (B) 3 months of scrimping after you graduate.

I'll take option B any day and any time.

Saving now is a good thing. It is a good idea. If you can save a bit, do it. But don't take on so many work hours that your school suffers. Don't drop your expenses so much that you are left with nothing for entertainment. The pain you are suggesting isn't worth the measly gains. Your college years are supposed to be some of your best years of your life. Enjoy it while you can. Focus now on doing well in school (the best investment you could ever make), leave enough money for some good times (investing in your sanity), and if any is left over, put it in a high yield online savings account. You are already investing a tremendous amount (school + sanity), you don't need to invest more.

I somewhat disagree with Mr. Dullard, but that's just my own personal preference. I think that saving is always an excellent thing to do, but within reason. There is no reason to be eating Ramen every night and doing nothing at all, but if you want to scale back to start saving that's good in my book.

However, you need to take what is good for you. If you want to eat Ramen every night or scale back a lot then that's what you should do. Obviously you are considering just that, so it's a thought.

Keep in mind everybody's advice and ask away if you have any questions!