Finally started playing poker online (for money)...

[PoPPeR]

Originally posted by: TwoBills

Originally posted by: PoPPeR

Originally posted by: RadioHead84
so how do you start then....does the money just go straight to your card if you win? is there an age limit...all states can play?

I played at that site that got Moneymaker into the 2003 WS of Poker, I forgot what it was called, but transfering money is a FVCKING PAIN IN THE ASS. First off, my bank doesn't allow transfering of funds directly to those sites because they don't support online gambling. I had to sign up with a third party, who of course took a % of my money. I waited almost two weeks for them to verify my account, my funds to transfer to them, then for them to transfer them to the poker site. And of course, they ended up taking a percentage off the top, and after that I realized I could have just charged it to my credit card and started playing right away for about $0.50 more

Just open a Neteller acct., tie it to a bank acct. and you're set. No fees for normal transfers in and out. I don't think the poker sites take credit cards. I might be wrong. Heard something about Paradise taking them again. Takes a week or so to set it up. Just chill. We'll be waitin' for ya' when ya' get here.

I did use neteller, and they charged me a fee to transfer my money from my bank account or something!

 

[Chu]

BTW, all the anandtech players out there who play for real money, want to have a $5 (or more) private NL tourney for fun on PokerStars one of these nights? I'm sure there are 8 of us.

-Chu

 

[BaboonGuy]

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
By the way two mistakes of players at your level:

-Not betting your very good hands (flopped straight, trips, full house, two pair etc.)
slowplaying is generally not good

-trying to bluff too much. low limit players are STUPID. they will call down, and call down. beat them with good hands, fancy play generally does not work

I never do either of those. The only time I ever slowplay is when it's clear that I've got the nuts, with little else to gain, and I'm trapping a VERY aggressive player (like holding QQ with a Q 6 2 rainbow flop). Even then, I'll often goad them more by betting than by checking -- if you raise preflop then check when the flop comes out, it doesn't read right -- makes it seem that you have something, which you often do.

I've read Brunson's book from cover to cover (reading the NL and Limit Hold'em sections multiple times each), as well as Mike Caro's book (on tells & psychology), and some of the more mathematical books as well. I need to read Lee Jones' book, though, from what I hear. I try to apply everything I read, though -- keping track of all the hands I play, writing down my biggest misplays (leading out with QQ with an overcard on the flop, after being called when I raised preflop, etc.).

I'm new to playing online/in cardrooms, but I play in a fairly decent-quality home game often.

I do appreciate the advice, though. The biggest problem I've been having is letting go of some of the hands that I like, but realize aren't statistically that good, unless you've got position (i.e. QJs/KJs/ATo).

Rob

reading books is probably the best thing you can do. anything by sklansky is golden. WLLH is pretty solid too, i read that one. i'd also get theory of poker, it's highly recommended, then when u move up to some more serious limits (2/4 and above) get Hold Em for Advanced Players.

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: BaboonGuy

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
By the way two mistakes of players at your level:

-Not betting your very good hands (flopped straight, trips, full house, two pair etc.)
slowplaying is generally not good

-trying to bluff too much. low limit players are STUPID. they will call down, and call down. beat them with good hands, fancy play generally does not work

I never do either of those. The only time I ever slowplay is when it's clear that I've got the nuts, with little else to gain, and I'm trapping a VERY aggressive player (like holding QQ with a Q 6 2 rainbow flop). Even then, I'll often goad them more by betting than by checking -- if you raise preflop then check when the flop comes out, it doesn't read right -- makes it seem that you have something, which you often do.

I've read Brunson's book from cover to cover (reading the NL and Limit Hold'em sections multiple times each), as well as Mike Caro's book (on tells & psychology), and some of the more mathematical books as well. I need to read Lee Jones' book, though, from what I hear. I try to apply everything I read, though -- keping track of all the hands I play, writing down my biggest misplays (leading out with QQ with an overcard on the flop, after being called when I raised preflop, etc.).

I'm new to playing online/in cardrooms, but I play in a fairly decent-quality home game often.

I do appreciate the advice, though. The biggest problem I've been having is letting go of some of the hands that I like, but realize aren't statistically that good, unless you've got position (i.e. QJs/KJs/ATo).

Rob

reading books is probably the best thing you can do. anything by sklansky is golden. WLLH is pretty solid too, i read that one. i'd also get theory of poker, it's highly recommended, then when u move up to some more serious limits (2/4 and above) get Hold Em for Advanced Players.

rec.games.poker is also golden. Tons of pro players on there

 

[TwoBills]

Originally posted by: PoPPeR

Originally posted by: TwoBills

Originally posted by: PoPPeR

Originally posted by: RadioHead84
so how do you start then....does the money just go straight to your card if you win? is there an age limit...all states can play?

I played at that site that got Moneymaker into the 2003 WS of Poker, I forgot what it was called, but transfering money is a FVCKING PAIN IN THE ASS. First off, my bank doesn't allow transfering of funds directly to those sites because they don't support online gambling. I had to sign up with a third party, who of course took a % of my money. I waited almost two weeks for them to verify my account, my funds to transfer to them, then for them to transfer them to the poker site. And of course, they ended up taking a percentage off the top, and after that I realized I could have just charged it to my credit card and started playing right away for about $0.50 more

Just open a Neteller acct., tie it to a bank acct. and you're set. No fees for normal transfers in and out. I don't think the poker sites take credit cards. I might be wrong. Heard something about Paradise taking them again. Takes a week or so to set it up. Just chill. We'll be waitin' for ya' when ya' get here.

I did use neteller, and they charged me a fee to transfer my money from my bank account or something!

Just stick to the "electronic funds transfer" option. No fees involved. Everything else has a fee. They gotta make a buck, too.

 

[dafatha00]

Question...How are single table tournaments paid out? 1st place takes all?

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: BaboonGuy

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: BaboonGuy
By the way two mistakes of players at your level:

-Not betting your very good hands (flopped straight, trips, full house, two pair etc.)
slowplaying is generally not good

-trying to bluff too much. low limit players are STUPID. they will call down, and call down. beat them with good hands, fancy play generally does not work

I never do either of those. The only time I ever slowplay is when it's clear that I've got the nuts, with little else to gain, and I'm trapping a VERY aggressive player (like holding QQ with a Q 6 2 rainbow flop). Even then, I'll often goad them more by betting than by checking -- if you raise preflop then check when the flop comes out, it doesn't read right -- makes it seem that you have something, which you often do.

I've read Brunson's book from cover to cover (reading the NL and Limit Hold'em sections multiple times each), as well as Mike Caro's book (on tells & psychology), and some of the more mathematical books as well. I need to read Lee Jones' book, though, from what I hear. I try to apply everything I read, though -- keping track of all the hands I play, writing down my biggest misplays (leading out with QQ with an overcard on the flop, after being called when I raised preflop, etc.).

I'm new to playing online/in cardrooms, but I play in a fairly decent-quality home game often.

I do appreciate the advice, though. The biggest problem I've been having is letting go of some of the hands that I like, but realize aren't statistically that good, unless you've got position (i.e. QJs/KJs/ATo).

Rob

reading books is probably the best thing you can do. anything by sklansky is golden. WLLH is pretty solid too, i read that one. i'd also get theory of poker, it's highly recommended, then when u move up to some more serious limits (2/4 and above) get Hold Em for Advanced Players.

rec.games.poker is also golden. Tons of pro players on there

Yeah, I read there occasionally. I'm really intrigued by the game theory aspect of it. Played in a friendly tournament last night and approached it from a new angle -- I picked a few targets (easy money) and stole from them all night to keep my cash flow up. Then when I caught big hands I made some more advanced moves (best move was WAY overbetting a pot that I knew my friend had a piece of -- I was holding JJ to the J 7 8 flop (spade flush draw), and I put him on A7. Turns out he was overplaying a Q7, but he figured I was bluffing at it, pushed all-in, and I called. Caught another 8 on the river to make it a boat.

From there, once I had a big lead over everyone else, I settled down and played pretty cautiously -- used my chips to steal a few pots that I shouldn't have been in, but stayed out of the way while players cleared themselves out. Caught one more big hand the rest of the night -- but unfortunately got outdrawn at the end of the tournament. I pushed in with A8 (blinds were up to .80/$1.60 in a tournament that started out as $.01/$.02, got called by KJ). Flop: K 3 A. I'm happy -- 80% chance to win it. Turn: J. River: J.

Rob

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Question...How are single table tournaments paid out? 1st place takes all?

50%/30%/20%. Buyin - $10, then 1st = $50, 2nd = $30, 3rd = $20.

Rob

 

[TwoBills]

Originally posted by: Chu
BTW, all the anandtech players out there who play for real money, want to have a $5 (or more) private NL tourney for fun on PokerStars one of these nights? I'm sure there are 8 of us.

-Chu

Count me in. How about you, Entity?

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Question...How are single table tournaments paid out? 1st place takes all?

50%/30%/20%. Buyin - $10, then 1st = $50, 2nd = $30, 3rd = $20.

Rob

Is this the same structure for ever single table tourney? I signed up to play on Party poker just now after reading your post

I'm at the moment playing in a $5 buy in table with 2 other people left. hehe

 

[dafatha00]

Ended up in second place. Went all in on an A,10, she had an 8,7 and caught one of each on the flop.

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: TwoBills

Originally posted by: Chu
BTW, all the anandtech players out there who play for real money, want to have a $5 (or more) private NL tourney for fun on PokerStars one of these nights? I'm sure there are 8 of us.

-Chu

Count me in. How about you, Entity?

Once I get my money transferred (just signed up for Neteller) I'm in, as long as we can arrange a good time (I'm PST).

Rob

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: TwoBills

Originally posted by: Chu
BTW, all the anandtech players out there who play for real money, want to have a $5 (or more) private NL tourney for fun on PokerStars one of these nights? I'm sure there are 8 of us.

-Chu

Count me in. How about you, Entity?

Once I get my money transferred (just signed up for Neteller) I'm in, as long as we can arrange a good time (I'm PST).

Rob

Want to start a new thread to advert this? Most people's attention spans will skip right over a thread with 50 posts.

-Chu

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Ended up in second place. Went all in on an A,10, she had an 8,7 and caught one of each on the flop.

Yeah, you can always take solace in knowing that you made the right play. I'll generally take making the right play over winning, though I definitely prefer doing both.

Rob

 

[Entity]

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: TwoBills

Originally posted by: Chu
BTW, all the anandtech players out there who play for real money, want to have a $5 (or more) private NL tourney for fun on PokerStars one of these nights? I'm sure there are 8 of us.

-Chu

Count me in. How about you, Entity?

Once I get my money transferred (just signed up for Neteller) I'm in, as long as we can arrange a good time (I'm PST).

Rob

Want to start a new thread to advert this? Most people's attention spans will skip right over a thread with 50 posts.

-Chu

Yeah, but it'll be a few days at least before I get the funds transferred. Plus the mods might not like advocating gambling on the forums...I got warned once before I clarified that the threads I used to post about poker were for play money.

Rob

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Question...How are single table tournaments paid out? 1st place takes all?

50%/30%/20%. Buyin - $10, then 1st = $50, 2nd = $30, 3rd = $20.

Rob

Is this the same structure for ever single table tourney? I signed up to play on Party poker just now after reading your post

I'm at the moment playing in a $5 buy in table with 2 other people left. hehe

Yep, but I would strongly suggest you try PokerStars at some point. They only charge $0.50 for their $5 tables, and they have 2 table tourneys /w 4 payouts that everyone loves. Plus their client is much better then PartyPoker (but not as good as Paradise).

-Chu

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Question...How are single table tournaments paid out? 1st place takes all?

50%/30%/20%. Buyin - $10, then 1st = $50, 2nd = $30, 3rd = $20.

Rob

Is this the same structure for ever single table tourney? I signed up to play on Party poker just now after reading your post

I'm at the moment playing in a $5 buy in table with 2 other people left. hehe

Yep, but I would strongly suggest you try PokerStars at some point. They only charge $0.50 for their $5 tables, and they have 2 table tourneys /w 4 payouts that everyone loves. Plus their client is much better then PartyPoker (but not as good as Paradise).

-Chu

Oh I play pokerstars.com all the time. I joined partypoker.com for the free bonuses. heh

I play pokerstars.com mostly with playchips because people buy 1,000,000 of em on ebay for about $40 bucks.

Occasionally I'll play some of pokerstars.com real money tournaments too. I agree, the 4 payout structure is nice.

 

[DrumminBoy]

holy sh!t entity...your avatar looks exactly like chris moneymaker...link

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Question...How are single table tournaments paid out? 1st place takes all?

50%/30%/20%. Buyin - $10, then 1st = $50, 2nd = $30, 3rd = $20.

Rob

Is this the same structure for ever single table tourney? I signed up to play on Party poker just now after reading your post

I'm at the moment playing in a $5 buy in table with 2 other people left. hehe

Yep, but I would strongly suggest you try PokerStars at some point. They only charge $0.50 for their $5 tables, and they have 2 table tourneys /w 4 payouts that everyone loves. Plus their client is much better then PartyPoker (but not as good as Paradise).

-Chu

Oh I play pokerstars.com all the time. I joined partypoker.com for the free bonuses. heh

I play pokerstars.com mostly with playchips because people buy 1,000,000 of em on ebay for about $40 bucks.

Occasionally I'll play some of pokerstars.com real money tournaments too. I agree, the 4 payout structure is nice.

1. Why do people buy play money chips? I mean, can they be used to buy into real money tourneys? News to me if so.

2. Errr, so how hard is it to get 1M chips? I mean, if it's more then a couple hours, isn't your time more worthwhile at a real table?

-Chu

P.S., Up $50 in the last 4 hours at a $25 NL table. Maybe i'll give NL progressive another try after all.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: Chu

Originally posted by: dafatha00

Originally posted by: Entity

Originally posted by: dafatha00
Question...How are single table tournaments paid out? 1st place takes all?

50%/30%/20%. Buyin - $10, then 1st = $50, 2nd = $30, 3rd = $20.

Rob

Is this the same structure for ever single table tourney? I signed up to play on Party poker just now after reading your post

I'm at the moment playing in a $5 buy in table with 2 other people left. hehe

Yep, but I would strongly suggest you try PokerStars at some point. They only charge $0.50 for their $5 tables, and they have 2 table tourneys /w 4 payouts that everyone loves. Plus their client is much better then PartyPoker (but not as good as Paradise).

-Chu

Oh I play pokerstars.com all the time. I joined partypoker.com for the free bonuses. heh

I play pokerstars.com mostly with playchips because people buy 1,000,000 of em on ebay for about $40 bucks.

Occasionally I'll play some of pokerstars.com real money tournaments too. I agree, the 4 payout structure is nice.

1. Why do people buy play money chips? I mean, can they be used to buy into real money tourneys? News to me if so.

2. Errr, so how hard is it to get 1M chips? I mean, if it's more then a couple hours, isn't your time more worthwhile at a real table?

-Chu

P.S., Up $50 in the last 4 hours at a $25 NL table. Maybe i'll give NL progressive another try after all.

1. I really have no idea why people buy them. Probably cuz they're lame. But I suppose it's for the same reason that people buy items from Everquest and Diablo on Ebay.

2. Getting a million chips isn't easy for sure. It ysually takes a good 3 hours of playing to accumulate that much. The reason is that people feel that it's free money more or less. Takes some of the pressure off of playing real money tables especially if you're on a losing streak.

 

[neovan]

how much did you guys deposit in your neteller account? not sure how much i should start off with.

 

[MrScott81]

Originally posted by: Chu
You know, I still don't know how to play mid pairs in limit. In no limit it's really easy - you got a 10% chance to hit trips, and you fold if you don't hit unless you got a 100% read. In limit, I really don't know what to do. If you flop trips, great, but 10% isn't good enough odds to necessarly call pre flop. Should you raise preflop, and play hard if no overcards hit? That's what I generally try, but its very risky, and I really don't know if I'm breaking even or not doing it.

-Chu

Raise before the flop, with any pair unless there was already a raise, then I might consider just calling, instead of re-raising. With mid pairs, even the flop has 2 or more over cards, you raised before the flop so you can represent having one of those over cards.

 

[bradolson]

Originally posted by: Entity
Yeah, but it'll be a few days at least before I get the funds transferred. Plus the mods might not like advocating gambling on the forums...I got warned once before I clarified that the threads I used to post about poker were for play money.

Looks like the mods allow posting about gambling, as long as AT gets the referral :

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=1320005&enterthread=y

 

[frankqfrank]

I play on Paradise mostly now, Party just to get deposit bonuses when they have them. Also tried Pokerstars and found them to be the worst site, my least favorite at least, I can't stand their interface.

Chu, what's your name on Paradise? I play a ton there.

I'd play an anandtech tournament if someone organized one, my Stars account is empty right now though.

Some opinions:

"more serious limits" does not include $2/$4. You won't see a significant change in play until $15/$30, possibly $10/$20 online. Online games are more competitive then live games at equal stakes.

For a reccomendation on playing middle pairs, you aren't going to get much useful information in a paragraph. They are more situationally dependent than any other hand. Opponents, position, image, and other factors have to be accounted for. I can't say "Raise with 77, call with 44, reraise with 99" et cetera, you just have to get some experience. As a general rule, 66 down to 22 can always see a flop for one bet, and flop it (a set) or drop it.

Pokerstars is without a doubt the most competitive at low limit ring games. I will sometimes play for a change of pace from Party and Paradise and when Stars has a deposit bonus. Their $2/$4 games play about like Party's $10/$20.

Royal Vegas and any site on the Prima network should be avoided at all costs. They are "blacklisted" by many poker websites as a great many people have had their accounts locked and their money taken.

Anyone who says they can average 10 bets an hour over a significant period at any limit hold game is lying.

If anyone is considering opening a real money account at Party Poker for $50 or more, I will give you $25 to use me as a referrer (as I will get $50 from Party once you've played 50 raked hands.) Also Party will give you $25 when you've played 125 raked hands. PM me.

 

[Chu]

Originally posted by: frankqfrank
I play on Paradise mostly now, Party just to get deposit bonuses when they have them. Also tried Pokerstars and found them to be the worst site, my least favorite at least, I can't stand their interface.

Chu, what's your name on Paradise? I play a ton there.

I'd play an anandtech tournament if someone organized one, my Stars account is empty right now though.

Some opinions:

"more serious limits" does not include $2/$4. You won't see a significant change in play until $15/$30, possibly $10/$20 online. Online games are more competitive then live games at equal stakes.

For a reccomendation on playing middle pairs, you aren't going to get much useful information in a paragraph. They are more situationally dependent than any other hand. Opponents, position, image, and other factors have to be accounted for. I can't say "Raise with 77, call with 44, reraise with 99" et cetera, you just have to get some experience. As a general rule, 66 down to 22 can always see a flop for one bet, and flop it (a set) or drop it.

Pokerstars is without a doubt the most competitive at low limit ring games. I will sometimes play for a change of pace from Party and Paradise and when Stars has a deposit bonus. Their $2/$4 games play about like Party's $10/$20.

Royal Vegas and any site on the Prima network should be avoided at all costs. They are "blacklisted" by many poker websites as a great many people have had their accounts locked and their money taken.

Anyone who says they can average 10 bets an hour over a significant period at any limit hold game is lying.

If anyone is considering opening a real money account at Party Poker for $50 or more, I will give you $25 to use me as a referrer (as I will get $50 from Party once you've played 50 raked hands.) Also Party will give you $25 when you've played 125 raked hands. PM me.

Chuuu on Paradise. I play ring on Party, but you'll see me play the $10/$5 turbos on paradise all the time (I have a short attention span, turbo is great for that). I also don't have any money currently on pokerstars, but if someone out there is willing to trade Party or Paradise money for Pokerstars we're in business.

-Chu