Finally, some sense re: Israel and Lebanon

[Aisengard]

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Internation...concern_over_Israel-Hezbollah_conflict

UNCHR statement:

The High Commissioner also warned of the deteriorating humanitarian situation, especially in southern Lebanon, where large numbers of people are reported to be increasingly deprived of access to basic services and are forcibly displaced. She called for unrestricted and secure passage for all humanitarian assistance.

I wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately, probably through lack of communication between Israel and these groups, Israel had just bombed one such aid convoy. I don't agree with that, and I hope it was only a mistake and that Israel won't do it again.

Red Cross' assessment:

In a press briefing in Geneva, The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) director of operations Pierre Krähenbühl gave the ICRC's assessment of the humanitarian situation engendered by the conflict.

He said that the large number of civilian casualties and damage to infrastructure "raises serious questions" over the warring parties' compliance to the principle of proportionality in combat operations.

In the briefing, he stated the reported death toll as about 230 killed and 600 wounded in Lebanon and 13 civilians killed and over 150 wounded in Israel.

He said that medical assistance and evacuation for those in need is severely limited by the ongoing hostilities and that the safety of the medical mission is "deeply problematic". He pointed out that large numbers of people are fleeing the conflict zones.

He called on Israel's air and sea blockade of Lebanon to allow food and other essential supplies to reach the affected civilian population.

He stated that the ICRC has reminded the parties to the conflict, publicly and in private, of their obligation to distinguish between civilians and military targets, their obligation to respect the principle of proportionality, and to protect the medical aid services, to spare civilians and ensure secure access to medical help for all.

The representations have been made in Israel with the Ministry of foreign affairs and Army command, and in Lebanon with the Prime minister and also to Hezbollah, with whom the ICRC has contact.

The bolded part is the very important difference between Israel and the Hezbollah terrorists.

This next one surprised me:

Human Rights Watch:

The watchdog group Human Rights Watch warned Hezbollah on attacking civilian targets in Israel and called on Israel to allow relief convoys safe entry into and passage inside Lebanon,

A press release by the group said that Hezbollah rocket attacks on Sunday and Monday were "at best indiscriminate attacks in civilian areas, at worst the deliberate targeting of civilians" and called them serious violations of international humanitarian law and "probable war crimes".

Holy crap, finally someone actually condemning Hezbollah terrorists.

The rockets launched against Haifa over the past two days contained hundreds of metal ball bearings that are of limited use against military targets but cause great harm to civilians and civilian property, it said.

Again, the difference between Israel and Hezbollah.

A release also said that border towns in Lebanon are already facing serious shortages of food and medicine, and are in urgent need of supplies. It called for safe passage for aid convoys in the wake on an Israeli missile attack on an aid convoy, reported by the Red Crescent Society of the United Arab Emirates (UAE). According to the UAE RC, the convoy was clearly marked as a relief operation, contained medical supplies and medicines, as well as several ambulances and that at least one person was killed in the attack.

This was very unfortunate, and hopefully Israel realizes its mistake, apologizes to the group unconditionally, and pays for the damage caused. I haven't heard too much about this, but I just heard that Israel's policy is that any truck coming within some distance of a conflict zone will be considered to be containing weapons. Obviously this is a bad policy, and Israel needs to open up and let these things in.

Amnesty International:

Amnesty International (AI) today called on the UN Security Council to meet urgently in order to adopt measures to protect civilians caught up in the deepening Israel-Lebanon conflict. It alleged that G8 member states, during the recently concluded summit, had failed to "put the protection of civilians above politics" in their discussions of the conflict. AI condemned continuing attacks on civilians by both Israel and Hezbullah.

Hear that, Russia, Spain? Your anti-Semitism is no reason to let Lebanese civilians suffer.

Responses from Israel and Hezbollah:
An Israeli official told the BBC "We feel that proportionality should be judged in terms of the threat we face. This is not just an issue of the kidnappings. Hezbollah has a huge arsenal and has fired 1,000 missiles at us. We are acting in self-defence". He also said that Hezbollah often hides in civilian areas and that Israel had dropped flyers and gave other warnings to civilians to leave before an attack.

Hezbollah says its capture of Israeli soldiers was to use them in a "bargain" with Israel and that Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel are a retaliation to Israeli strikes against Lebanon and its civilians. Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah leader, said "When the Zionists behave like there are no rules and no red lines and no limits to the confrontation, it is our right to behave in the same way."

So basically Israel said they aren't, and isn't, targeting civilians, and Hezbollah JUST STATED PUBLICALLY that they are. I think you can finally see who the real bad guys are, here.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Amnesty International:

Amnesty International (AI) today called on the UN Security Council to meet urgently in order to adopt measures to protect civilians caught up in the deepening Israel-Lebanon conflict. It alleged that G8 member states, during the recently concluded summit, had failed to "put the protection of civilians above politics" in their discussions of the conflict. AI condemned continuing attacks on civilians by both Israel and Hezbullah.

Hear that, Russia, Spain? Your anti-Semitism is no reason to let Lebanese civilians suffer.

Russia, Spain? Heh, it's more like the US and Britain that is letting Israel continuing the attack and prevent and cease fire talk.

Responses from Israel and Hezbollah:
An Israeli official told the BBC "We feel that proportionality should be judged in terms of the threat we face. This is not just an issue of the kidnappings. Hezbollah has a huge arsenal and has fired 1,000 missiles at us. We are acting in self-defence". He also said that Hezbollah often hides in civilian areas and that Israel had dropped flyers and gave other warnings to civilians to leave before an attack.

Hezbollah says its capture of Israeli soldiers was to use them in a "bargain" with Israel and that Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel are a retaliation to Israeli strikes against Lebanon and its civilians. Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah leader, said "When the Zionists behave like there are no rules and no red lines and no limits to the confrontation, it is our right to behave in the same way."

So basically Israel said they aren't, and isn't, targeting civilians, and Hezbollah JUST STATED PUBLICALLY that they are. I think you can finally see who the real bad guys are, here.

Nobody is saying Hezbollah are the good guys. They are Islamic fanatics who has no regard for human life, whether their own or others. But who is doing the most damage here in this conflict, killing more people and devestating more infrastructure, road, hospital that everyday civilian need for their livelyhood? Israel is doing more of that and that is a fact no matter they say they are targetting civilian or not. Israel is supposed to be a civilized first world country, they need to start acting like one and not sink to the level of small fanatic Islamic group.

 

[Todd33]

Bad guys? The real world doesn't boil down to good and bad, black and white...

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

This argument amounts to advocating civillians be used as human shields in military conflicts....

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Bad guys? The real world doesn't boil down to good and bad, black and white...

That's a sweet thought, but sometimes it does.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Todd33
Bad guys? The real world doesn't boil down to good and bad, black and white...

That's a sweet thought, but sometimes it does.

Such a simple world you people live in, like a country music song.

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Todd33
Bad guys? The real world doesn't boil down to good and bad, black and white...

That's a sweet thought, but sometimes it does.

Such a simple world you people live in, like a country music song.

Just because things are not always black-and-white doesn't mean that they are never black-and-white. Hopefully one day you'll have the experience to be able to understand that.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

such high and absurd standards is just plain antisemitism. they expect the jews to have magic weapons that can kill terrorists hiding behind civilians with no one dying! they are just looking for any reason they can to hate on israel. you can't reason with that.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

such high and absurd standards is just plain antisemitism. they expect the jews to have magic weapons that can kill terrorists hiding behind civilians with no one dying! they are just looking for any reason they can to hate on israel. you can't reason with that.

You think if Israel was a predominately Christian or Muslim nation they wouldn't be receiving the same criticism? Think again, the reason they are is because they are so much more powerful and supposedly a civilized society.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

such high and absurd standards is just plain antisemitism. they expect the jews to have magic weapons that can kill terrorists hiding behind civilians with no one dying! they are just looking for any reason they can to hate on israel. you can't reason with that.

You think if Israel was a predominately Christian or Muslim nation they wouldn't be receiving the same criticism? Think again, the reason they are is because they are so much more powerful and supposedly a civilized society.

How is what Israel is doing in Lebanon different from what the United States did in Afghanistan?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

such high and absurd standards is just plain antisemitism. they expect the jews to have magic weapons that can kill terrorists hiding behind civilians with no one dying! they are just looking for any reason they can to hate on israel. you can't reason with that.

You think if Israel was a predominately Christian or Muslim nation they wouldn't be receiving the same criticism? Think again, the reason they are is because they are so much more powerful and supposedly a civilized society.

How is what Israel is doing in Lebanon different from what the United States did in Afghanistan?

Not even close, Afghanistain was not lobbing missiles at American cities for years. What Israel is doing is actually justified.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

such high and absurd standards is just plain antisemitism. they expect the jews to have magic weapons that can kill terrorists hiding behind civilians with no one dying! they are just looking for any reason they can to hate on israel. you can't reason with that.

You think if Israel was a predominately Christian or Muslim nation they wouldn't be receiving the same criticism? Think again, the reason they are is because they are so much more powerful and supposedly a civilized society.

How is what Israel is doing in Lebanon different from what the United States did in Afghanistan?

Besides the US worked to install a new goverment. The US did joint operations with that new goverment and the US provided training, troops and resureces to support the new goverment.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

such high and absurd standards is just plain antisemitism. they expect the jews to have magic weapons that can kill terrorists hiding behind civilians with no one dying! they are just looking for any reason they can to hate on israel. you can't reason with that.

You think if Israel was a predominately Christian or Muslim nation they wouldn't be receiving the same criticism? Think again, the reason they are is because they are so much more powerful and supposedly a civilized society.

How is what Israel is doing in Lebanon different from what the United States did in Afghanistan?

Besides the US worked to install a new goverment. The US did joint operations with that new goverment and the US provided training, troops and resureces to support the new goverment.

I think he was refering to the reasons to attack in the first place. Right now we are still in the attack phase, and I know the US didn't have all that set up when it was still dropping bombs now did it.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Here's the kicker . . .

It's not what you say you are or what you say you do . . . it's what you do.

The current IDF OFFENSIVE sux . . . the fact that Hezbollah sux more is not a defense against the outcomes of IDF activities.

In the very passage you bolded, Hezbollah claims they are responding to Israel's behavior. Even if that's specious . . . that doesn't change the fact that Israel is attacking civilian population centers and vehicles. Hoping that you hit one of the 'bad guys' is not an excuse.

So? Al Queda responded they are responding to America's evil imperialism. Are you against America fighting Al Queda? But that's only an analogy.

Israel is attacking HOPEFULLY VACATED civilian center that the TERRORISTS ARE HIDING IN. You could make an argument that the terrorists are the cause for these peoples' deaths, since they are wearing civilian clothes, and specifically hiding in heavily populated areas. They LOVE it when their own people are killed, it gives them more ammunition. Israel cares much more about the Lebanese than Hezbollah ever could.

I'm not going to deny I have a pro-Israeli bias. Yes, i'm Jewish, yes I have relatives living in Israel, and yes I think the country of Israel is worth more than the entire Middle East put together.

What bugs me about this is that the world is putting most of the blame at Israel's feet. The world is only talking about Israel. What surprised me about these groups is that they are actually making sense, and blaming Hezbollah for the most part for committing war crimes. Yes, it does matter that Israel has a better moral ground than Hezbollah. No, they are not perfect creatures like the hypocrites in Europe demand them to be, but they are better than Hezbollah by far, and that is why these international groups are making sense, and why the world should be supporting Israel a hell of a lot more than they are.

such high and absurd standards is just plain antisemitism. they expect the jews to have magic weapons that can kill terrorists hiding behind civilians with no one dying! they are just looking for any reason they can to hate on israel. you can't reason with that.

You think if Israel was a predominately Christian or Muslim nation they wouldn't be receiving the same criticism? Think again, the reason they are is because they are so much more powerful and supposedly a civilized society.

How is what Israel is doing in Lebanon different from what the United States did in Afghanistan?

Besides the US worked to install a new goverment. The US did joint operations with that new goverment and the US provided training, troops and resureces to support the new goverment.

I think he was refering to the reasons to attack in the first place. Right now we are still in the attack phase, and I know the US didn't have all that set up when it was still dropping bombs now did it.

Israel set war plan more than a year ago

Strategy was put in motion as Hezbollah began increasing its military strength

By Matthew Kalman, Chronicle Foreign Service

07/21/06 "San Francisco Chronicle" -- -- Jerusalem -- Israel's military response by air, land and sea to what it considered a provocation last week by Hezbollah militants is unfolding according to a plan finalized more than a year ago.

In the years since Israel ended its military occupation of southern Lebanon, it watched warily as Hezbollah built up its military presence in the region. When Hezbollah militants kidnapped two Israeli soldiers last week, the Israeli military was ready to react almost instantly.

"Of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared," said Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University. "In a sense, the preparation began in May 2000, immediately after the Israeli withdrawal, when it became clear the international community was not going to prevent Hezbollah from stockpiling missiles and attacking Israel. By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board."

More than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to U.S. and other diplomats, journalists and think tanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail. Under the ground rules of the briefings, the officer could not be identified.

etc


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So now we see why the Bush administration is giving the Israelis the time window to go ahead with their plan. They were well aware of the Israeli plan. This whole operation has been planned well in advance, it was prepared and Israel went ahead using the air power option bombing also non Hizbollah (non Shia) parts of Lebanon (including Christian parts).

 

[0roo0roo]

thats the militarys job, to create war plans for when its needed. and in a place like that surrounded by hostile neighbors, one which was lebanon where hezbollah was obviously building up its strength, fo course they had a war plan ready to go.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats the militarys job, to create war plans for when its needed. and in a place like that surrounded by hostile neighbors, one which was lebanon where hezbollah was obviously building up its strength, fo course they had a war plan ready to go.

So if the Hizbollah knew this was coming did they just strike pre-emptively then?

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats the militarys job, to create war plans for when its needed. and in a place like that surrounded by hostile neighbors, one which was lebanon where hezbollah was obviously building up its strength, fo course they had a war plan ready to go.

So if the Hizbollah knew this was coming did they just strike pre-emptively then?

Hahahaha! That was good.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats the militarys job, to create war plans for when its needed. and in a place like that surrounded by hostile neighbors, one which was lebanon where hezbollah was obviously building up its strength, fo course they had a war plan ready to go.

So if the Hizbollah knew this was coming did they just strike pre-emptively then?

Israel saw that Hezbullah was buying rockets, and they were prepared in case of an attack. What do you think they do? Sit around all day and do nothing? They've got to be prepared.

Or maybe they shouldn't prepare in advance? Maybe they should watch Hezbullah stock rockets and do nothing? There's nothing wrong with preparing in advance. I'm sure they've got defence plans for every other arab country in the area.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats the militarys job, to create war plans for when its needed. and in a place like that surrounded by hostile neighbors, one which was lebanon where hezbollah was obviously building up its strength, fo course they had a war plan ready to go.

So if the Hizbollah knew this was coming did they just strike pre-emptively then?

They wanted to be attacked I think. Sort of like Iran does, to become a martyr for the ISlamic world.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
thats the militarys job, to create war plans for when its needed. and in a place like that surrounded by hostile neighbors, one which was lebanon where hezbollah was obviously building up its strength, fo course they had a war plan ready to go.

So if the Hizbollah knew this was coming did they just strike pre-emptively then?

They wanted to be attacked I think. Sort of like Iran does, to become a martyr for the ISlamic world.

mmm-kay.

 

[JEDI]

Fron CNN today:

"U.S. plan to halt crisis: Agree cease-fire, send troops.

U.S. suggests 30,000-strong force, sources say."

Where in the hell are we going to get 30k troops to send to Lebanon?!

 

[skooma]

We'd put an end to this quick fast in a hurry if it were our "enemies" raping a soveirgn nation . But instead, we send Condi for a couple days to pat Israel on the back and claim this is part of the war on terror.

 

[JEDI]

"An Israeli air raid struck a United Nations observation post and killed four U.N. observers in southern Lebanon, according to Lebanese security sources."

whoops...