Originally posted by: dNor
Is it possible for alkemyst to not be a complete tool in a thread?
nope.
I wish we could trade Casiotech for Alkemyst. At least Casiotech is mildly amusing in the process of being argumentative about everything.
Originally posted by: dNor
Is it possible for alkemyst to not be a complete tool in a thread?
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
in alkymess' world if you have ever gotten a buy 1 get 1 free. You have stolen. For that brief second before the transaction has completed you have the second item and haven't paid for it yet and its not yet free therefore its stolen but just breifly stolen.
no dumbfuck, when a merchant is advertising BOGO you aren't stealing.
When you exploit a pricing mistake you are.
When both the price the machine has programed and the tag below the item do not exist, one can fairly reach the conclusion that there is no price on these items.
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: alkemyst
It's pretty fucked up when you people can't see the crime/ethics in this kind of thing.
It's pretty fucked up that you get so bent out of shape over minuscule things like this and go on tirades acting like you've never done anything morally questionable for personal gain and ruin threads in the process. You make perfectly normal individuals not want to visit these forums.
Originally posted by: dNor
Is it possible for alkemyst to not be a complete tool in a thread?
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
in alkymess' world if you have ever gotten a buy 1 get 1 free. You have stolen. For that brief second before the transaction has completed you have the second item and haven't paid for it yet and its not yet free therefore its stolen but just breifly stolen.
no dumbfuck, when a merchant is advertising BOGO you aren't stealing.
When you exploit a pricing mistake you are.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
in alkymess' world if you have ever gotten a buy 1 get 1 free. You have stolen. For that brief second before the transaction has completed you have the second item and haven't paid for it yet and its not yet free therefore its stolen but just breifly stolen.
no dumbfuck, when a merchant is advertising BOGO you aren't stealing.
When you exploit a pricing mistake you are.
When both the price the machine has programed and the tag below the item do not exist, one can fairly reach the conclusion that there is no price on these items.
Ahh so you were there and can determine all this?
In the last thread, you thought I was annoying, but I was RIGHT.
It has got to be annoying that the police keep harassing you when you try to steal shit, huh?
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Injury
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
in alkymess' world if you have ever gotten a buy 1 get 1 free. You have stolen. For that brief second before the transaction has completed you have the second item and haven't paid for it yet and its not yet free therefore its stolen but just breifly stolen.
no dumbfuck, when a merchant is advertising BOGO you aren't stealing.
When you exploit a pricing mistake you are.
When both the price the machine has programed and the tag below the item do not exist, one can fairly reach the conclusion that there is no price on these items.
Ahh so you were there and can determine all this?
In the last thread, you thought I was annoying, but I was RIGHT.
It has got to be annoying that the police keep harassing you when you try to steal shit, huh?
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
in alkymess' world if you have ever gotten a buy 1 get 1 free. You have stolen. For that brief second before the transaction has completed you have the second item and haven't paid for it yet and its not yet free therefore its stolen but just breifly stolen.
no dumbfuck, when a merchant is advertising BOGO you aren't stealing.
When you exploit a pricing mistake you are.
Ahhh, so you've never taken advantage of a pricing error? If you saw that a store had a price on something so low it had to be a mistake, you'd immediately inform the management of their error? Good for you... no one wants to be "that guy," but someone has to be (primarily to serve as cautionary examples to everyone else about how not to be a douchebag).
The OP did exactly nothing illegal in this situation. Not one single thing. The product had no advertised price and was dispensed freely by the machine with no intervention on the OP's part. One could say that there was a reasonable expectation that the product cost money, but as it was not labeled with a price, nor (I'm assuming), indicated anywhere on the machine that failure to report receiving free merchandise constituted a criminal act, there was no illegal activity, and thus no crime committed. It may not have been ethical, but it was perfectly legal.
Originally posted by: Injury
No, I wasn't there, but the OP was and told us this. Unless YOU were there you don't have any more information to go on.
You ARE annoying and I don't care if you are right or wrong that will never change. The fact that you have to turn everything into a contest about it is what makes you annoying. You seem to think that you are the moral police and must object to every post that you can think up some arguing point for no matter how far-fetched it is.
Finally, it's hilarious that you try and make shit up to try and incriminate people for things that don't make sense. I don't know why you think you have to create some scenario about me getting harassed for stealing things when it's both never happened, nor (as your own post uses as a rebuttal) there to see and determine anything. This is the primary tactic of a TROLL and I'm almost ashamed that I justified a reply to you because you're clearly just an ass on a mission to annoy people.
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Ahhh, so you've never taken advantage of a pricing error? If you saw that a store had a price on something so low it had to be a mistake, you'd immediately inform the management of their error? Good for you... no one wants to be "that guy," but someone has to be (primarily to serve as cautionary examples to everyone else about how not to be a douchebag).
The OP did exactly nothing illegal in this situation. Not one single thing. The product had no advertised price and was dispensed freely by the machine with no intervention on the OP's part. One could say that there was a reasonable expectation that the product cost money, but as it was not labeled with a price, nor (I'm assuming), indicated anywhere on the machine that failure to report receiving free merchandise constituted a criminal act, there was no illegal activity, and thus no crime committed. It may not have been ethical, but it was perfectly legal.
Originally posted by: Perknose
What the OP may well not be illegal but it is unethical, and to take every single bag of those pretzels was greedy.
A lot of vending machines are leased by bigger companies to small-time guys busting their humps trying to make a living from them. I know a fool who once tried this, because he was disabled and not able to work most other jobs. He got bad locations and lost money on his desperate little venture, the poor sap.
Strictly ethically, you simply cannot argue that what the OP did was wrong. To answer this, ask yourself if the OP would have tried his little trick 15 times in a row if the owner of the machine was standing there, or if the boss of his company was standing there, or if his mother was standing there.
No, no, and no? Why not? BEcause he KNEW what he did was wrong!
The OP took advantage of a mistake. He took way too much advantage, because there was no one there to stop or shame him. I understand his frustration because the stupid machine had cheated him previously, but the bottom line is that what he did, to the extent that he did it, is not ethical.
So, when some salesman or company or politician cuts some ethical corners and tools you just because they can, don't come crying to anyone if you support the very same "anything you can get away with" way of living your life.
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I'll agree with you in principle, but there's absolutely no comparison that can be reasonably drawn between a politician or businessman cutting ethical corners and the theft of a few bags of chips.
[...]
My boss would split them with me, [...] my mother probably would if she weren't on a low-sodium diet.
Churchill: Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?
Socialite: My goodness, Mr. Churchill? Well, I suppose? we would have to discuss terms, of course?
Churchill: Would you sleep with me for five pounds?
Socialite: Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!
Churchill: Madam, we?ve already established that. Now we are haggling about the price.
Originally posted by: Perknose
And now that we know that, at least according to you, your mother would whore her ethics out for a $.65 bag of unsalted pretzels, how much to bang her?
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
I'll agree with you in principle, but there's absolutely no comparison that can be reasonably drawn between a politician or businessman cutting ethical corners and the theft of a few bags of chips. Let's assume 15 bags of pretzels, normally 65 cents a piece... That's less than 10 dollars. Even ignoring the fact that most businessmen and politicians have an explicit code of ethics they must adhere to if they want to keep their job (no such code exists for vending machine customers that I'm aware of), if a politician or businessman did steal $10, no one would give a shit. Raking Ice over the coals for taking advantage of this situation is just petty. Mocking him is fine, but saying that his ethics violation is comparable to an actual issue is just retarded.
And to answer your question, if a vending machine was giving away free stuff, I would do it in front of my mother, the machine owner or my boss. I wouldn't have taken 15 bags of pretzels, because that's just silly, but I probably would have snagged a couple extras and mentioned the good deal I was getting. My boss would split them with me, my mother probably would if she weren't on a low-sodium diet, and the owner would say, "whoa, better fix that," because no one cares about a handful of change.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Alke served hard time in federal pound me in the ass prison, cut him some slack guys.
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: Perknose
And now that we know that, at least according to you, your mother would whore her ethics out for a $.65 bag of unsalted pretzels, how much to bang her?
I'll buy that for a dollar!
