Finally a poll in which Obama leads!!!!

[ProfJohn]

So much for that convention bounce of McCain's.

Seems the Russians don't like him or Palin, even though she is their neighbor.

I am guessing this is one poll that Obama isn't going to be proud of.
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Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin would triumph over President Dmitry Medvedev if presidential polls were held this weekend, an opinion poll showed on Wednesday.

A separate survey showed that if Russians were allowed to vote in U.S. polls, they would prefer Democrat Barack Obama to Republican John McCain.

The polls follow Russia's intervention in Georgia last month to crush Tbilisi's attempt to retake a pro-Moscow separatist region of South Ossetia.

Moscow defied Western threats of punitive action and recognized South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia, as independent.

Medvedev, a handpicked successor of Putin who took office in May, assumed the leading role during the conflict. But in many episodes Putin's firebrand anti-Western statements overshadowed his performance.

When asked by independent pollster the Levada Centre which of the two they would vote for if elections were held next week, Russians preferred Putin, giving him 33 percent backing against 14 percent for Medvedev.

No other candidate received more than 4 per cent, Levada said. It surveyed 1,600 Russians in 10 cities between August 15-18 on who they would back if elections were held the following Sunday. Some 44 percent did not indicate if, or how, they would vote.

Pollsters for state-run VTsIOM found that if Russians could vote in U.S. elections, the Republicans would get little support, though most of those queried did no give a view.

Obama would receive 27 percent support and McCain 6 percent, VTsIOM found, in the September 6-7 poll of 1,600 Russians.

"I attribute our findings mainly to the fact that McCain has made more anti-Russian rhetoric. Obama seemed to be a little more pro-Russian," Olga Kamenchuk, VIsIOM communications director, told Reuters.

Levada found strong public support of 80 percent in favor of Russia's decision to recognize South Ossetia in a second poll carried out on September 5-8.

The survey found public opinion was against another Kremlin policy -- leaving a permanent military presence in Georgia's breakaway regions, a policy the Kremlin announced this week.

While 46 percent said they endorsed the presence of Russian peacekeepers, only 34 percent said they wanted regular Russian soldiers there, in a sign that public support for the Georgian policy is not unconditional.

A further 11 percent backed either UN or EU peacekeepers and 9 percent gave no view.

Try not to make too much out of this. Just enjoy it for a good laugh.

 

[Stoneburner]

Obama is up 1 in rasmussen and 1 in the WSJ poll and leading in most battle ground states despite this being the high end of mccain's bounce.

This is a worthless troll thread from a worthless troll person

 

[Robor]

:roll: Pathetic. Why not mention Hamas endorses Obama too?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

For whatever it's worth, Russia and Israel were the only countries in the world whose citizens favored re-electing Bush in 2004 (other than the US, obviously).

Russia is not the only country who favors Obama this time around. Obama is favored by every one of 22 countries surveyed by the BBC:

A new BBC World Service poll surveyed people in 22 countries and found that, in every one of them, Democratic nominee Barack Obama was favored over Republican candidate John McCain. On average, 49 percent would like to see Obama prevail, while only 12 percent prefer McCain, according to the survey of 22,531 adult citizens of the 22 countries. The rest offered no preference.

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Several of the nations most enthusiastic about an Obama presidency are key allies, such as Canada, France, Germany, Britain, and Italy. That goodwill could, to some degree, strengthen Obama's hand in asking for more allied help in Afghanistan, dealings with Russia, and other issues. It could be a source of "soft power" for a president trying to galvanize overseas support for U.S. initiatives.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Robor
:roll: Pathetic. Why not mention Hamas endorses Obama too?

Did you miss my comment at the bottom?

Or does this hit to close to your heart?

It is interesting how many dictatorships seem to like Obama though.

 

[mshan]

"Of course, the quality of publicly available state polls is not good, which will make judging the battleground even more difficult. Still, to truly know what's in play and not, keep an eye on the candidate schedules."

(Chuck Todd et. al. on their First Read blog yesterday)

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com...straight-party-id.html

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
For whatever it's worth, Russia and Israel were the only countries in the world whose citizens favored re-electing Bush in 2004 (other than the US, obviously).

Did not know about Russia and Bush in 2004.

Obviously this is another reason to not vote for Obama. 🙂

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Robor
:roll: Pathetic. Why not mention Hamas endorses Obama too?

Did you miss my comment at the bottom?

Or does this hit to close to your heart?

It is interesting how many dictatorships seem to like Obama though.

Also interesting how many democracies, including our closest allies, strongly support Obama. It is unsurprising you never got around to mentioning that in the OP . . .

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Robor
:roll: Pathetic. Why not mention Hamas endorses Obama too?

Did you miss my comment at the bottom?

Or does this hit to close to your heart?

It is interesting how many dictatorships seem to like Obama though.

:roll: Wow... the right-wingers are really starting to reach here. Yet another non-issue by the GOP... what's next, he forgot to wear a flag pin? Oh wait.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Robor
:roll: Pathetic. Why not mention Hamas endorses Obama too?

Did you miss my comment at the bottom?

Or does this hit to close to your heart?

It is interesting how many dictatorships seem to like Obama though.

Also interesting how many democracies, including our closest allies, strongly support Obama. It is unsurprising you never got around to mentioning that in the OP . . .

That's because PJ is the ultimate in dishonest troll. His only goal in life is to try to make reality conform to his pre-conceived views, rather than the other way around (which is how honest and sane people do it).
So the more he can cherrypick from reality, the easier it is for him to lie to himself that reality conform to his views.

 

[Moonbeam]

The world that has looked to America for inspiration and hope, most of the world, is crying over what has become of us under Bush. We have become a nation of fascism and a religious Taliban state under Bush and the Neanderthal retrograde religious right who need fools to tithe their scam operations. Those brain dead fucks think they're going to heaven for 10% of their wage.

 

[theeedude]

Well, yeah, Russian don't want McCain and WW3 anymore than Americans do.

 

[winnar111]

Makes sense. They want to take advantage of a spineless coward.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The world that has looked to America for inspiration and hope, most of the world, is crying over what has become of us under Bush. We have become a nation of fascism and a religious Taliban state under Bush and the Neanderthal retrograde religious right who need fools to tithe their scam operations. Those brain dead fucks think they're going to heaven for 10% of their wage.

It's because of Bush that when I went to visit Europe I had to act like I wasn't from America. People there respected America up until president Dubya took the oval office, and I really don't want another 4 years of Bush's bullshit tactics threatening to bring the country to it's knees under the leadership of McSame.

By the way, as an independent, I voted for George Bush Sr., but not Dubya, and I certainly am not voting for McSame.

 

[Lemon law]

While foreign leaders do not vote in American elections, just about every country in the world has signaled they would prefer to be dealing with Obama who can be expected to return to a more rational US foreign policy. As it is, any country doing any diplomacy and wanting results, simply bypasses the USA, because including the US is now a guarantee failure. And they have reason to have any faith in McCain.

senseamp makes a very good point, the Russians do not want a resumption of the cold war, but lately GWB, Cheney, and Rice have been trying to kick the Russians when they were down at every opportunity.
The problem is that these same people are so damn dumb and have not noticed Russia is no longer down, in fact has gotten up, and they are ready to smack the USA down if we get froggie.

In short, times have changed and GWB&co and McSame have not. And right now the US moral standing in the world is in serious need of repair, and its very likely the rest of the world will commit the US to the looney bin if McSame is elected.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Makes sense. They don't want that maniac warmongering "Maverick" to have his trigger finger on "The Button."

Fixed.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Robor
:roll: Pathetic. Why not mention Hamas endorses Obama too?

Did you miss my comment at the bottom?

Or does this hit to close to your heart?

It is interesting how many dictatorships seem to like Obama though.

1. If it's not news don't post it.

2. They're not called dictatorships they're called foreign countries. Do any foreign nations like Bush/McCain? Yeah, thought so...

 

[StageLeft]

Great one, prof! I think the US needs another leader who is hated the world over, it's done such a great job so far! Yaye!!

 

[bamacre]

http://obama.senate.gov/press/...3-obama_statement_128/

WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) today released the following statement on the NATO Summit in Bucharest, Romania next month:

"From April 2 to 4, 2008, leaders of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO, will meet at a summit in Bucharest, Romania, to address issues critical to American national security and the future of the Euro-Atlantic community. NATO leaders must seize this opportunity to strengthen transatlantic ties, augment alliance members' contributions to common missions and continue to build the integrated, stable and prosperous Europe that is a vital interest of the United States.

"A top priority for the summit must be to reinforce NATO's critical mission in Afghanistan. The contributions there of all the NATO allies alongside more than a dozen other countries bears testimony to how the alliance can contribute to the 21st century missions that are vital to the security of the United States and its allies. NATO's involvement provides capabilities, legitimacy, and coordination in Afghanistan that simply would not be available if NATO did not exist.

"Success in Afghanistan is vital to the security of the United States, to all NATO members, and to the people of Afghanistan. NATO's leaders must therefore send an unambiguous message that every country in NATO will do whatever needs to be done to destroy terrorist networks in Afghanistan, to prevent the Taliban from returning to power, and to bring greater security and well-being to the Afghan people. This will require adequate numbers of capable military forces and civilian personnel from NATO members and putting more of an Afghan face on counter insurgency operations by providing more training and resources to the Afghan National Army and police forces, and by embedding more Afghan forces in NATO missions. We must also win long-term public support through assistance programs that make a difference in the lives of the Afghan people, including investments in infrastructure and education; the development of alternative livelihoods for poppy farmers to undermine the Taliban and other drug traffickers; and increased efforts to combat corruption through safeguards on assistance and support for the rule of law.

"Success in Afghanistan will also require the removal of restrictions that some allies have placed on their forces in Afghanistan, which hamper the flexibility of commanders on the ground. The mission in Afghanistan--legitimized by a United Nations mandate, supported by the Afghan people, and endorsed by all NATO members after the United States was attacked is central to NATO's future as a collective security organization. Afghanistan presents a test of whether NATO can carry out the crucial missions of the 21st century, and NATO must come together to meet that challenge. Now is the time for all NATO allies to recommit to this common purpose.

"The summit must also address the question of the alliance expanding membership. NATO enlargement since the end of the Cold War has helped the countries of Central and Eastern Europe become more stable and democratic. It has also added to NATO military capability by facilitating contributions from new members to critical missions such as Afghanistan.

"The three current candidates for NATO membership--Albania, Croatia and the Republic of Macedonia--have each made great strides in consolidating their new democracies. They have reformed their defense establishments, worked to root out corruption, modernized their economies, and contributed to NATO security missions in the Balkans and Afghanistan. Responding to these efforts with NATO membership at the upcoming summit would add to the alliance military capabilities while contributing to stability in the Balkans, a region still suffering from the ethnic tensions left behind by the bloodshed of the 1990s.

"Ukraine and Georgia have also been developing their ties with NATO. Their leaders have declared their readiness to advance a NATO Membership Action Plan, MAP, to prepare for the rights and obligations of membership. They are working to consolidate democratic reforms and to undertake new responsibilities in their relationship with the Alliance. I welcome the desire and actions of these countries to seek closer ties with NATO and hope that NATO responds favorably to their request, consistent with its criteria for membership. Whether Ukraine and Georgia ultimately join NATO will be a decision for the members of the alliance and the citizens of those countries, after a period of open and democratic debate. But they should receive our help and encouragement as they continue to develop ties to Atlantic and European institutions.

"NATO enlargement is not directed against Russia. Russia has an important role to play in European and global affairs and should see NATO as a partner, not as a threat. But we should oppose any efforts by the Russian government to intimidate its neighbors or control their foreign policies. Russia cannot have a veto over which countries join the alliance. Since the end of the Cold War, Republican and Democratic administrations have supported the independence and sovereignty of all the states of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, and we must continue to do so. President Putin recent threat to point missiles at Ukraine is simply not the way to promote the peaceful 21st century Europe we seek.

"NATO stands as an example of how the United States can advance American national security--and the security of the world--through a strong alliance rooted in shared responsibility and shared values. NATO remains a vital asset in America's efforts to anchor democracy and stability in Europe and to defend our interests and values all over the world. The Bucharest summit provides an opportunity to advance these goals and to reinforce a vital alliance. NATO's leaders must seize that opportunity."

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: winnar111
Makes sense. They want to take advantage of a spineless coward.

You shouldn't say that about McCain. He's elderly and a former POW.

 

[dsity]

wow, even the world knows obama > mccain.

face it the world is sick of bush. The world will groan if mccain is elected.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
For whatever it's worth, Russia and Israel were the only countries in the world whose citizens favored re-electing Bush in 2004 (other than the US, obviously).

Russia is not the only country who favors Obama this time around. Obama is favored by every one of 22 countries surveyed by the BBC:

Did not know about Russia and Bush in 2004.

Obviously this is another reason to not vote for Obama. 🙂

Sure, if you like stirring up and continuing the anti-american animus and terrorist recruitment across the globe, vote mccain.

The president is one person with a lot of jobs. One of those is global diplomacy as statesman, and it's getting to be more important than ever. You can ignore the rest of the world's opinion in the voting booth. Or, like an intelligent person, you can use it to inform your voting choice without having it be the decisive or controlling factor.

 

[Lemon law]

It may be somewhat a more neutral thing when your chosen candidate is better liked by your enemies, but its a downright disaster when your chosen candidate has a vote of no confidence from our allies.

As once more, Non Prof John authors a poorly thought out thread that backfires.

 

[NeoV]

I get a good laugh out of most of your posts anyway..

 

[theeedude]

McCain is going to get US and Russia into an arms race that will bankrupt both.