Finally a A10-8800P laptop for same at Newegg. But how fast is it?

Masospaghetti

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Asus has a A10 laptop for sale with discrete graphics here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232797&ignorebbr=1

Basically, A10-8800P + R8 M350DX discrete graphics. I can't find any information on the M350DX (I see that the M300 series is the "budget" line though). And how fast would the integrated R7 chip + discrete R8 chip be?

I like the idea of this computer but really don't have a good idea how good it will perform. My requirement right now is that it can play Fallout 4 on reasonable settings.

Thanks all.
 
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Asus has a A10 laptop for sale with discrete graphics here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834232797&ignorebbr=1

Basically, A10-8800P + R8 M350DX discrete graphics. I can't find any information on the M350DX (I see that the M300 series is the "budget" line though). And how fast would the integrated R7 chip + discrete R8 chip be?

I like the idea of this computer but really don't have a good idea how good it will perform. My requirement right now is that it can play Fallout 4 on reasonable settings.

Thanks all.

Just buy a laptop with an Intel CPU and NVIDIA discrete graphics, don't muck around with the AMD solution.
 
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What do you mean by "reasonable settings"?

The 8800p itself has 512 shaders and the best I can tell, is 384 for the dgpu. I have a HD7770 which has 640 shaders. So if (big if) crossfire works without stuttering, you theoretically have more shader power than my card. However, the laptop will be held back by DDR3 memory and clocks lower than my desktop 7770. I can play 1080p medium at around 30FPS, so you might be able to play at 1080p, low to medium settings. Depending on turbo and thermal constraints, you might also be held back by the cpu as well.

Edit: As another poster said, for a really good experience, you will need a laptop with an intel mobile quad cpu and a dgpu at least GTX960m. But that will cost around 1,000.00. I think the laptop you linked will play the game, but definitely struggle. In the laptop you linked, I would actually be more concerned that the cpu is not fast enough, especially under sustained gaming. You can turn down resolution and settings to accommodate the gpu, but if the cpu causes stutters, there is not much you can do.
 
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Just buy a laptop with an Intel CPU and NVIDIA discrete graphics, don't muck around with the AMD solution.

Advice from an Nvidia and Intel stocks holder...

Seriously.?.

Although you are right that AMD s offering is a solution, not only the 8800P perform very well but its throughput doesnt collapse once you throw Integer and FP tasks simultaneously like all the Intel s i3/i5 of all gens..

What do you mean by "reasonable settings"?

The 8800p itself has 512 shaders and the best I can tell, is 384 for the dgpu.


There is 512 SP in the GPU, it s the 8700P that has only 384.
 
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Advice from an Nvidia and Intel stocks holder...

I don't own any NVIDIA stock and haven't for a very long time, though I am happy to have owned it because I did make a really solid amount of money on it. Sorry you didn't get in on the action :(

I do own Intel stock (and my gains on those shares would pay for a crapton of 5960x chips, yay!), but I am not going to give people on the internet bad advice and ruin my reputation on these forums in order to try to "help" Intel grab a few bucks in CPU revenue.

Believe it or not, owning stock in a company doesn't automatically make you a puppet/shill for said company.

I wouldn't recommend any Atom tablets to anybody, for example, or Atom based smartphones because ARM based SoCs from the various vendors are simply better. Much, much better. I recommend iPhones and iPads and I don't own a single share of Apple stock. Amazing how that works, huh?
 
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The AMD Radeon R8 M365DX ( Dual Graphics ) denotes the dual Graphics composite of an integrated Radeon R6 ( Carrizo , A10-8700P ) and a dedicated Radeon R7 M360 . Both graphics cards in CrossFire mode and calculate the AFR method ( Alternate Frame Rendering ) alternately an image . In many cases, the image output at about micro stuttering suffer ( different distances between two images cause stuttering , although enough images are calculated per second ) .

Both the Radeon R6 and the Radeon R7 M360 each have 384 shader units based on the GCN architecture .

So the 350DX must be the 8800P and a R7-M350.

http://www.notebookcheck.com/AMD-Radeon-R8-M365DX.147711.0.html
 

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I would avoid hybrid crossfire if possible. Carrizo is an attractive chip, but I would not pair it with a discrete GPU.

I'm having trouble finding the specs on the R8 M350DX, but if I were to guess, it's probably a 384sp part.

Going by this chart, you can expect it to be around around 1/4 to 1/5 as fast as a desktop Radeon HD7850, possibly a little slower, and hybrid crossfire has historically brought little to no improvement over a single GPU:

http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-RPG-Fallout_4-test-1920.jpg


Granted, you won't be running very high quality, but it's most certainly not a high-end gaming chip.

EDIT: I say this as someone who hasn't purchased an nVidia product for my main desktop since the Geforce4.
 
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I don't own any NVIDIA stock and haven't for a very long time. I do own Intel stock, but I am not going to give people on the internet bad advice and ruin my reputation on these forums in order to try to "help" Intel grab a few bucks in CPU revenue.

Believe it or not, owning stock in a company doesn't automatically make you a puppet for said company.


Your answer to the OP not only wasnt on point but you didnt even bother telling why Intel would be supposedly better.

As for the question it s impossible to answer for this model, if it s configured like the HPs Pavillion, and it is likely, the APU is limited to 15W with bursts to 20W and it will perform the same way.

So far the only laptop that is known to have a chip wich can get to 28-30W and exhaust the APU and APU + dGPU throughputs is the Lenovo IdeaPad Y700, as aknowledged by its Cinebench 11.5 score of 3.39.
 
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Your answer to the OP not only wasnt on point but you didnt even bother telling why Intel would be supposedly better.

As for the question it s impossible to answer for this model, if it s configured like the HPs Pavillion, and it is likely, the APU is limited to 15W with bursts to 20W and it will perform the same way.

So far the only laptop that is known to have a chip wich can get to 28-30W and exhaust the APU and APU + dGPU throughputs is the Lenovo IdeaPad Y700, as aknowledged by its Cinebench 11.5 score of 3.39.

Come on, it's well known that for gaming singlethreaded perf dominates and Intel based CPUs tend to be much better there. In terms of dGPU, AMD's solutions are also known for being very power hungry while NVIDIA's are pretty efficient; there's a reason that the vast majority of gaming oriented laptops come with NV/Intel and not AMD/AMD.
 
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Sounds like Intel and nvidia win, again.

But: Looks like the i5-6200U is actually slower than the FX-8800P. I assume this means the 940M is far superior to the integrated R7?

According to Geekbench 3, the i5-6200U offers much better single-threaded performance, but multithreaded performance seems to be in favor of the AMD processor (more cores). If I were spending my own money I would go with the Intel solution because I believe most games prefer single-threaded goodness over multi-core performance, but if you anticipate your games to prefer multi-threaded performance over single/dual core performance, the AMD may be the way to go.

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/2836694?baseline=4158168
 

Abwx

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Come on, it's well known that for gaming singlethreaded perf dominates and Intel based CPUs tend to be much better there. In terms of dGPU, AMD's solutions are also known for being very power hungry while NVIDIA's are pretty efficient; there's a reason that the vast majority of gaming oriented laptops come with NV/Intel and not AMD/AMD.

Suddenly the GPU matters a lot, but AMD is more efficient thanks to CF and DX10, because a laptop must last several years, isnt it, we dont buy for an API that will be dead in one year...

I wont even bother pointing he weakness of the i3/i5 wich are essentialy mono task CPUs...
 

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Sounds like Intel and nvidia win, again.

But: Looks like the i5-6200U is actually slower than the FX-8800P. I assume this means the 940M is far superior to the integrated R7?

15W FX8800P will be quite a bit slower than Core i5-6200U in MT and especially ST.
Surface Book handles the game just fine, I think Geforce GT940M should too. ;)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozw08GqSe5Q


So far the only laptop that is known to have a chip wich can get to 28-30W and exhaust the APU and APU + dGPU throughputs is the Lenovo IdeaPad Y700, as aknowledged by its Cinebench 11.5 score of 3.39.

So your 'exhausted' Carrizo set at >30W can't match a 15W TDP Core i5-6300U @ Cinebench 11.5 MT and will still get murdered in ST. Poor Zen can't come soon enough.
 
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15W FX8800P will be quite a bit slower than Core i5-6200U in MT and especially ST.
Surface Book handles the game just fine, I think Geforce GT940M should too. ;)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozw08GqSe5Q

D'oh! I forgot that the FX-8800P can be configured to a 35W TDP, this probably inflated the results in the GB3 comparison I recommended (I picked the best FX-8800P scores I could find in the interest of being fair to the AMD solution).

In this case, no question: I would go with the Intel CPU unequivocally if my goal was to play games on it.
 

Sweepr

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D'oh! I forgot that the FX-8800P can be configured to a 35W TDP, this probably inflated the results in the GB3 comparison I recommended (I picked the best FX-8800P scores I could find in the interest of being fair to the AMD solution).

In this case, no question: I would go with the Intel CPU unequivocally if my goal was to play games on it.

No doubt. Those scores come from reference systems set at 35W.
 

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As the resident apu lover, I have to admit that sweepr is right, never get an apu with a discrete mgpu, it ruins the value proposition of the apu. Especially because the igp nearly becomes useless.
 
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No doubt. Those scores come from reference systems set at 35W.

Honestly my real recommendation to the OP would be to save a few hundred more bucks and try to get a Haswell quad core laptop on discount. I bet there will be some great deals that pop up as retailers try to dump old Haswell systems as Skylake kicks in.

The higher power CPUs obviously are much worse for portability/battery life but they are actually freaking awesome for gaming.