Final ME3 DLC - Citadel

darkewaffle

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Was released on March 5th and picked it up yesterday. For the most part I'm having a great time, though not for the reasons I'd expected. This DLC is really lighthearted, it's actually made me laugh more than anything else. The whole idea behind it I think is to give the player an opportunity to see the crew interact as friends (or family) rather than the constant drama of "brothers in arms".

The 'story' it presents doesn't last very long but introduces an amusing new character and gives a superficial bit of exhilaration at having your entire crew in the field with you for once. This makes for some amusing banter between the squads, with Garrus and Tali even taking some shots at Shep lol. Wrex is a bit over the top, but who's to say that isn't just who he really is now that he's past the whole 'me krogan you not' phase.

To me the best part, so far, began after the story bit ends. To celebrate shore leave you get one-on-one time with each crew member that can be hilarious, sweet, uncomfortable or even just plain bizarre. You also get to explore a new area of the Citadel called the Silversun Strip which has the Armax Arsenal Arena (essentially a single player version of the multiplayer game), an arcade (simple mini-games, a few rewards), a casino (couple gambling games), and your new apartment.

Your apartment is a gift from Anderson, it used to be his, and has some of his stuff laying around still. You can listen to some audio notes he made, but that's about it. More importantly the apartment plays host to the party that's thrown later, to which you can invite just about everyone you can think of (
I don't know if this takes place at a set point in time or not. For instance I could not invite Legion and Mordin, so in my game this obviously takes place after both their deaths. If you haven't yet completed those missions it could be different. I also couldn't invite Kasumi, though I might attribute that to never completing her buggy ME3 quest.
) which is very entertaining. Glyph can organize the party to be raucous or toned down, I have no idea if or how this affects the events/dialogue of the party or if you can easily throw another or not, I still haven't finished mine. But so far it's had some brilliant moments,
Zaeed hitting on Samara, James trying to convince Liara/Kaiden/Jacob that physical strength beats biotics, EDI making wildly awkward conversation with Tali and Traynor, a spat between Jack and Miranda
.

It's really refreshing to see the gang come out of their shells for once. The only problem is some of the dialogue tries a bit too hard to convey the whole experience and doesn't necessarily fit the characters; this seems most prevalent in Wrex and Javik imo. Also I'm not sure how much (if anything) is left to do after the party; I think the Armax arena will be interesting to play with a little bit but the arcade and casino games are pretty shallow and won't have anyone coming back for more.

All in all its been really enjoyable for me, but also understand it's content that's more about the characters than the big picture. The word "reaper" is only even mentioned once or twice in passing and the storyline is fairly short. To me the heart of it is in seeing your crew interact and open up, and to me that's well worth it.
 

PhatoseAlpha

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The
party
is worth checking out multiple times with different moods/activities. Some genuinely hilarious moments there:
Jack and Miranda having a spat, and then Shep goes on about how they should just kiss and relieve all that sexual tension. Grunt/Wrex/Shephard's "conversation" which consists on nothing more then their names. Garrus and Zaeed weaponizing Shep's furniture. Apparently a romantically unattached Femshep who talked with Javik a lot can wake up in bed next to him after the party.

It's all so ridiculously over the top, but the game really needed some additional focus on the squad, and this provides in no small amount.

I suspect if a GOTY-edition with all the DLC built in ever appears, it will be the ME3 everybody wanted at launch.
 

JoetheLion

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Hm this looks promising, even if a bit like these comedy episodes of series like Star Trek or Star Gate, but who didn't like those episodes, right?
 

Madia

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From what I've seen on youtube it has some of the character moments that I was hoping for in an epilouge in which you could interact with the characters that you've grown to care about in the course of the trilogy. The overall DLC seems like a light hearted jaunt that pokes fun at itself and includes various jokes such as taking part in one of the blasto movies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvxgLT_KPFc

Even though the DLC seems to be a gift for the fans who've come to love the ME series I still have no interest in it. I was a huge fan of the ME series and had planned on playing it from start to finish once I beat ME3 but ME3's ending sucked out all the desire I had to play any more Mass Effect. Even all this time later I have no interest in playing any of the series again.
 

Zenoth

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I haven't touched the campaign since I completed it once back in late March last year, and I have no will and no desire to go back at it. I haven't bought Leviathan nor Omega either, and I won't buy Citadel. But I do still enjoy and regularly play its multi-player and the latest free update is very fun, in my opinion.

But, as far as the campaign, the general story, characters and "my Shepard" is concerned I've been trying my best to keep the best out of the series in my heart and memory, and am trying to move away from it at the same time, to move on to something else while still enjoying the multi-player. I also highly doubt I'll have any interest in ME4's campaign or characters, although its multi-player might be good, time will tell.
 

AdamK47

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Now I can finally play the game. I always wait until BioWare releases all the DLC for a game.
 

Stuka87

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Hm this looks promising, even if a bit like these comedy episodes of series like Star Trek or Star Gate, but who didn't like those episodes, right?

I loved the Stargate 100th (and the others that continued it) episode. With the fake TV show based on them.

I am looking forward to playing this DLC.
 

Bateluer

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I suspect if a GOTY-edition with all the DLC built in ever appears, it will be the ME3 everybody wanted at launch.

I doubt that. ME3 needs a near complete redesign of the last 20 minutes, and probably about 30 minutes prior to that.
 

PhatoseAlpha

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I disagree. Changing the last 20 minutes would just net a different ending that people were mad about for similar reasons. To get to what is often asked for, you're actually looking at changing the entire series.
 

Red Hawk

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I really enjoyed this DLC. Worth every penny. I actually haven't seen everything it has to offer, yet. If you considered yourself a big Mass Effect fan but are still holding a grudge because of the ending, you're doing yourself a disservice by avoiding this DLC.
 

ramj70

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I really enjoyed this DLC. Worth every penny. I actually haven't seen everything it has to offer, yet. If you considered yourself a big Mass Effect fan but are still holding a grudge because of the ending, you're doing yourself a disservice by avoiding this DLC.

I agree, it's worth it. I despise the ending of the game and this DLC doesn't change anything in that regard but it is still worth it to play. You will not be disappointed.
 
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From what I've seen on youtube it has some of the character moments that I was hoping for in an epilouge in which you could interact with the characters that you've grown to care about in the course of the trilogy. The overall DLC seems like a light hearted jaunt that pokes fun at itself and includes various jokes such as taking part in one of the blasto movies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvxgLT_KPFc

Even though the DLC seems to be a gift for the fans who've come to love the ME series I still have no interest in it. I was a huge fan of the ME series and had planned on playing it from start to finish once I beat ME3 but ME3's ending sucked out all the desire I had to play any more Mass Effect. Even all this time later I have no interest in playing any of the series again.

So is the DLC a prequil to the ending of the main game. It must be, because after all the mass relays were destroyed it would be impossible to gather so many of the crew, not to mention they might have been killed depending on the ending you "chose".
 
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I agree, it's worth it. I despise the ending of the game and this DLC doesn't change anything in that regard but it is still worth it to play. You will not be disappointed.

Yea, I am still holding a grudge about the ending. It just seems kind of pointless to invest any more time in the franchise when ultimately you know it all comes to naught and the universe as you knew it is basically destroyed.

I guess if you enjoy just the isolated gameplay for itself, that is great. But for me personally, it is about the ending, and after that I feel no more desire to have anything to do with the franchise.
 

ramj70

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So is the DLC a prequil to the ending of the main game. It must be, because after all the mass relays were destroyed it would be impossible to gather so many of the crew, not to mention they might have been killed depending on the ending you "chose".

The DLC is accesssible after the attempted Citadel coup and anytime before tha assault on the Illusive man base.
 

Red Hawk

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So is the DLC a prequil to the ending of the main game. It must be, because after all the mass relays were destroyed it would be impossible to gather so many of the crew, not to mention they might have been killed depending on the ending you "chose".

Yea, I am still holding a grudge about the ending. It just seems kind of pointless to invest any more time in the franchise when ultimately you know it all comes to naught and the universe as you knew it is basically destroyed.

I guess if you enjoy just the isolated gameplay for itself, that is great. But for me personally, it is about the ending, and after that I feel no more desire to have anything to do with the franchise.

It's supposed to be set before the ending, since the endings can end up with Shepard
either dead or "ascended",
but really, it only makes sense that Shepard could throw a huge party with all his squad members attending after the war was over. So it's my headcanon that the party happens after the
destroy ending with Shepard surviving -- and EDI is at the party, so that means my headcanon is also that EDI survives the destroy ending.
And btw, the mass relays are no longer destroyed with the extended cut.

As I said before, if you pass on this, you're only doing yourself a disservice. I mean, how can you say no to this?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6kst5iBPgoA

Or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7aMcqbPdq0

Or...this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VwAqmetnacs
 

Bateluer

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I disagree. Changing the last 20 minutes would just net a different ending that people were mad about for similar reasons. To get to what is often asked for, you're actually looking at changing the entire series.

No, just the last 20 minutes is necessary. Thats enough to add in material that makes your decisions and choices matter, enough to add epilogues for your squad members, and enough to create an ending that makes sense.
 

PhatoseAlpha

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I think you'd just be trading one
deus ex machina for another. With what they've told us about our chances conventionally, it's either talk them to death or magic space bomb. Can't really fix that.
 

Red Hawk

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I think you'd just be trading one
deus ex machina for another. With what they've told us about our chances conventionally, it's either talk them to death or magic space bomb. Can't really fix that.


I wouldn't call the Crucible a deus ex machina to begin with -- it's introduced at the beginning of the game (and foreshadowed in ME2's "Lair of the Shadow Broker" DLC) and is what you are working towards the whole game. However, the
Catalyst and its nature could be considered something of a deus ex machina; it doesn't really solve any previous problem that the Crucible couldn't easily be written to solve by itself. But it is pretty sudden and unexpected. The "Leviathan" DLC adds some much needed foreshadowing to the Catalyst, though.
 

MeldarthX

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I wouldn't call the Crucible a deus ex machina to begin with -- it's introduced at the beginning of the game (and foreshadowed in ME2's "Lair of the Shadow Broker" DLC) and is what you are working towards the whole game. However, the
Catalyst and its nature could be considered something of a deus ex machina; it doesn't really solve any previous problem that the Crucible couldn't easily be written to solve by itself. But it is pretty sudden and unexpected. The "Leviathan" DLC adds some much needed foreshadowing to the Catalyst, though.

The crucible isn't a deus ex machina; its more of a macduff....

The Catalyst is pure deus ex machina and doesn't fit in the damn game period; that and the fact they straight out lied about our decisions through the games would matter in the ending and the fact there was supposed to be 16 different endings....Color change does not freaking count....

Yes I am still pretty ticked off what Casey pulled; it comes down to him.....and only him.....
 

PhatoseAlpha

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I'd put it somewhere between 6-10 hours, not counting any time spent in the Arena, and assuming you don't replay any of it to see the many, many different branches.
 

KentState

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Yea, I am still holding a grudge about the ending. It just seems kind of pointless to invest any more time in the franchise when ultimately you know it all comes to naught and the universe as you knew it is basically destroyed.

I guess if you enjoy just the isolated gameplay for itself, that is great. But for me personally, it is about the ending, and after that I feel no more desire to have anything to do with the franchise.

That's not how my ending was. Pretty much everyone lived on in one form or another.