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Final GF100/Fermi derivatives in July (GF106) and August (GF108) - Digitimes

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Lonyo said:
That's what Fudzilla says. Which isn't what Digitimes says.
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I have made a few threads about this subject already and it's more then just Fudzilla that this information came from.

The gtx 460 is a cut down 480 core not the gf104 core with 256 shaders.
That right there should tell you they are wrong.

http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=8697

and this one

http://www.techspot.com/news/38524-nvidia-readying-cutdown-geforce-gtx-460-for-june-launch.html

Just google gtx 460.

It seems the gtx 460 will be somewhere in between the 5850 and 5830. (closer to the 5850) in performance.
The gts 450 will be a little faster then the 5830.
the gts 440 a little faster then the 5770
the gts 430 a little faster then the 5750.
Of course they all will be a little more exspensive also.
Nvidiea just seems to fill in all the performance gaps Ati made.
 
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Seems like a decent product layout. The sooner they come out, the sooner we may finally see 5850 prices back to original amounts. 😛
 
So a gtx460 s gonna be just a bit more than half a gtx480.

I don't see it being close to a 5850, probably around a 5830. I don't see any price drops soon
Seeing as 2x 5770 are about equal to a 480. i don't see it being much faster than a 5830.
 
Skurge said:
So a gtx460 s gonna be just a bit more than half a gtx480.

I don't see it being close to a 5850, probably around a 5830. I don't see any price drops soon
Seeing as 2x 5770 are about equal to a 480. i don't see it being much faster than a 5830.
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No you have it wrong, the gts 450 with 256 shaders competes with the 5830 and is supposedly faster.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18243/1/

The gtx 440 has 256 shaders but lower clocks then the gts 450 and competes with the 5770.

The gtx 460 is a 384 shader part ( I think ,I can't remember) Only 100 less then the gtx 480 and will be somewhere in between the 5830 and 5850 and we all know that a BIG space considering the 5830 is only about 10% faster then a 5770.
 
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tviceman said:
Given the performance expectations and allusions of the GTX460, it probably needs to be cheaper than $300 or it would make very little sense to purchase it over a 5850.
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rumors have it around 279$ but who knows?

If you look at both camps line ups it seems to make sense.

The Nvidia line up is about 15/20% more price vs 15% more performance.
Seems in line with past Nvidia line ups.
 
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I am surprised the 460 is going to be that high out of the gate. I dont expect it to remain there for long unless the 5850 continues to stay higher.
 
happy medium said:
No you have it wrong, the gts 450 with 256 shaders competes with the 5830 and is supposedly faster.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18243/1/

The gtx 440 has 256 shaders but lower clocks then the gts 450 and competes with the 5770.

The gtx 460 is a 320 shader part ( I think ,I can't remember) Only 160 less then the gtx 480 and will be somewhere in between the 5830 and 5850 and we all know that a BIG space considering the 5830 is only about 10% faster then a 5770.
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Oh, my bad I just skimmed through the article, Figured the highest specs would be the 460.
Yeah, its should fit in there if the clocks are good.
 
happy medium said:
rumors have it around 279$ but who knows?

If you look at both camps line ups it seems to make sense.

The Nvidia line up is about 15/20% more price vs 15% more performance.
Seems in line with past Nvidia line ups.
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I agree with all you said, but IF it performs between a 5830 and 5850, $279, though only being a $20 difference, just looks and sounds more like what it should be priced - especially since in the last few days $300 5850's have started to appear.
 
Genx87 said:
I am surprised the 460 is going to be that high out of the gate. I dont expect it to remain there for long unless the 5850 continues to stay higher.
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This is with some guessing involved but the total line up for both camps should look like this.

In order of performance

5970 679$
gtx 480 500$
5870 400$
gtx 470 350$
5850 300$
gtx 460 279$
gts 450 240$
5830 240$
gts 440 170$
5770 150$
gts 430 150$
5750 130$

Who knows what prices will actually be at launch.
 
tviceman said:
I agree with all you said, but IF it performs between a 5830 and 5850, $279, though only being a $20 difference, just looks and sounds more like what it should be priced - especially since in the last few days $300 5850's have started to appear.
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I think I read somewhere that they will play with the clocks for the 460 and make them a bit higher just like the 5830 but with the cut down shaders.

The one thing thats bad for all of us is there is really no space for competition.
Every card having its own performance place and price.
 
happy medium said:
I think I read somewhere that they will play with the clocks for the 460 and make them a bit higher just like the 5830 but with the cut down shaders.

The one thing thats bad for all of us is there is really no space for competition.
Every card having its own performance place and price.
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I have faith in nVidia when it comes to playing with the clocks. Its just that, you might have noticed how they have to turn them down, not up. Dont have too high hopes is all im saying.
 
How fast is GTX 460 expected to be compared to a 5850? If there close enough the GTX 460 might be my next favorite card.
 
happy medium said:
the gf 108 is integrated graphics.
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Sure about that? What system chipset would that be, that the GF 108 is in? I thought that NV didn't produce any chipsets anymore? Or would that be the next iteration of the Ion? Intel is integrating the chipset into the CPU for the newer Atom variants. I doubt that they will continue to sell the seperate Atom CPUs after they start mass-producing the newer ones, just to cut Nvidia out of the biz.
 
badb0y said:
How fast is GTX 460 expected to be compared to a 5850? If there close enough the GTX 460 might be my next favorite card.
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GTX470@$350 or more barely squeaks past HD5850(under $300).
I don't give GTX460(465?) much of a chance against it,especially if it is priced around $250.
 
What I'm more interested in is how well will the 460 OC.
5850 is a monstrous OCer which can get the card up to 5870 stock speed.
If GTX 460 is a cut down GF100 that has already been OCed it doesn't sound like it's going to compete with a 5850.

The 450 and 440 are interesting though since we have no idea how those might OC and if they are priced like the 5770
they could be great value/dollar cards.
 
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Well performance wise the 470 and 5850 are pretty much equal.
I see the 460 either being equal for faster then the 5830.
A 450 would probably go against the 5770 but beat it.
 
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The $200 mark is where the gap is, from info here it looks unlikely for the GTX460 to fill that,.... The new fermi derivatives could make for an interesting lineup, but it's unfortunate that the 5850 prices have remained high, doesn't put a lot of pressure on the 200 dollar price point for performance.

4890 performance in a DX11 package at 200 bucks is what i've been waiting for for awhile. Only game where the 5770 beats the 4870 and gets near the 4890 is Metro 2033, could be the architecture showing its strength in newer titles, but we'll have to wait to see.
 
Attic said:
The $200 mark is where the gap is, from info here it looks unlikely for the GTX460 to fill that,.... The new fermi derivatives could make for an interesting lineup, but it's unfortunate that the 5850 prices have remained high, doesn't put a lot of pressure on the 200 dollar price point for performance.

4890 performance in a DX11 package at 200 bucks is what i've been waiting for for awhile. Only game where the 5770 beats the 4870 and gets near the 4890 is Metro 2033, could be the architecture showing its strength in newer titles, but we'll have to wait to see.
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There are actually a lot of games where the 5770 edges out the 4870 and vice versa. However Metro 2033 is the only game I've actually seen where the 5770 actually beats the 4890 and by a decent margin.
 
happy medium said:
I have made a few threads about this subject already and it's more then just Fudzilla that this information came from.

The gtx 460 is a cut down 480 core not the gf104 core with 256 shaders.
That right there should tell you they are wrong.
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I would trust Digitimes over fudzilla. Your pcper link states that they believe it to be a scavenged GF100 chips or a new design. Your techspot link says it is to use a 470 PCB and a 256 bit bus.

and how do you figure the 108 to be integrated graphics?
 
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