Filipinos considered oriental?

[Mapidus]

I only know a few filipinos, but they all look very latin and most have spanish last names. So do people consider filipinos oriental? I know people say they are asian, but when people say asian they really mean oriental(I think, since Russians are not considered asians). Was this the result of Spanish colonization, like mexico and south america? Don't remember this being mentioned in the history classes.

Also, what is the relation between Koreans and Japanese. I see lots of combined Korean/Japanese restaurants and wonder what these two countries and cultures share in common.

 

[Ryan]

yes, the phillipeans (sp?) are in the "orient"

 

[vektor]

I always thought it was asian....not oriental isnt that carpet or somthin?

 

[amdforlife]

spanyards invaded the philippines...therefore catholic/spanyard names.

 

[carmann]

<< I always thought it was asian....not oriental isnt that carpet or somthin? >>

I'm 1/2 Japanese and I'm not offended by the term oriental. I prefer it over asian.

 

[frizzlefry]

oriental is a term used for objects not ppl. please be more PC
Yes they are considered asian. the yare pacific islanders to be more exact.
did you also know that the jewish can be considered asian as well?

and yes it was from colonization

restaurants.... you can't judge em when they offer two styles of cooking. all three countries china, japan, and korea share alot in common. especially along their borders. at one point or another, they have all conquered a part of the other's territory to a great extent. you will find alot of influence in each of their arts, language, culture, etc from one another.

As for the restaurants, they do this to make more money. Many times you will find a chinese family running a japanese restaurant and mix and match at will. Basically its just a way to profit in certain areas.

If you want to learn more about it, check out premodern east asian history books. You can learn about all the differnt dynasties and how they influenced each other. its alot of information to post and its been a while since I studied it (2 years dammit!). anyways, hope this answers some questions.

 

[Doctorweir]

Uh, oh, hot topic...the Japanese-Korean relationship is not an easy one...
As far as I know the basis for japanese culture was the Korean and for them the Chinese and so on... But after being occupied by the Japanese beginning of this century, the relationship went down...just one hint: you can find more antiquities of Korean culture in Japanese museums than in Korean ones...they all took it and don't consider giving it back...

 

[b0mbrman]

Honestly, the only people who seem to make any fuss when they hear the term &quot;oriental&quot; is white people who are trying too hard.`

 

[carmann]

<< Honestly, the only people who seem to make any fuss when they hear the term &quot;oriental&quot; is white people who are trying too hard.` >>



I agree.

 

[frizzlefry]

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<< Honestly, the only people who seem to make any fuss when they hear the term &quot;oriental&quot; is white people who are trying too hard.` >>



I agree. >>


i'm not white it was a joke fellas! man! late night gots sticks up pplz arse!

 

[AznMaverick]

This subject only pisses me off when i'm trying to look for some pix0rz of chicks and it says 'oriental' and it turns out to be a filipino, when i'm looking for chinese, korean, or japanese...i guess that's being racist...sorry

 

[Ryan]

haha

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

They are considerd asian in my book.

 

[SSP]

Anyone from the continent Asia = Asian.

 

[Mapidus]

Sorry if you mistook my use of oriental. I am oriental or asian myself. I use the term because I think it defines people such as Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, etc. better. People use Asian to classify Indians (sub-continent of India) and Turks sometimes also. These people are not considered &quot;Oriental&quot; and I was just wondering if filipinos were considered &quot;oriental&quot; or Asian as in how Indians are considered Asian because India is in Asia. But for some reason, Russia has a large chunk in Asia, but they are not called Asian, even though Indians are just as different from lets say Chinese as Russians are. Sorry if my term offended anyone, I just thought it was a better description for what I am trying to describe. Sorry again.

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

<< Anyone from the continent Asia = Asian. >>



Im terribly sorry, Asian pacific is what I meant...

good lord.............

 

[Aihyah]

being an asian.. not really. they are pacific islanders.

 

[Aihyah]

This subject only pisses me off when i'm trying to look for some pix0rz of chicks and it says 'oriental' and it turns out to be a filipino, when i'm looking for chinese, korean, or japanese...i guess that's being racist...sorry

true, theres a asian thing where filipinos are considered lower class i guess I thinkits because their country is poor and they are sometimes darker skinned. associate em with maid work.

 

[RanDum72]

Aihyah, Pacific islanders are Fiji, Samoa Etc.. Southeast Asia has the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore so technically Filipinos are Asians. You can consider them a sub-classification of Asians (India is part of Asia, hence technically Indians are Asians. I think even Israel and Turkey are part of Asia but somebody can correct me on that). The U.S. has a screwed up classification system (probably a reflection of how poor people are here in terms of geography )So here, the term &quot;Asian&quot; usually refers to people with chinky eyes, so Chinese, Japanese and Korean. Sure, there are &quot;lower class&quot; Filipinos who work as &quot;maids&quot; but there are also Chinese sweat shop workers, Korean prostitutes, Japanese gang members. There are also numerous Filipino nurses, doctors,others in the medical field and other well off individuals. The same goes for other Asian groups.
A little Philippine history: It was under Spain for under 333 years but the Spanish never taught Pinoys Spanish since they consider them &quot;lower class&quot;. A census was held in the 1800's and the Spaniards required Pinoys to assume Spanish last names ( there are of course inter-marriages too). The Philippines is the only Christian country in the region, where Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism are dominant. Under the U.S. for 40+ years, English was taught and is now the second official language. The average Pinoy is a mutt, a mix of Spanish, Chinese and Arabic( both have traded with the Philippines way before the Spanish came in 1521), Malay, Indon and even black (Negroid pygmies are the first inhabitants)and later, Japanese and non-Hispanic whites.
If somebody thinks Pinoys are mainly dark-skinned, thats because they haven't seen the pale ones yet.

 

[mztykal]

Filipino's are considered &quot;asian&quot;. Being the island of the Philipines is off the coast of Asia as is Japan. But some consider Filipino's &quot;pacific islanders&quot; because of they're dark skin tone and other features.

I'm Japanese and I consider Filipino's &quot;asain&quot;. I grew up around them and don't consider them any lower than anyone else. The people I consider lower are the condesending &quot;white&quot; people that visit the islands and consider themselves better, when in actuality they are neither better off, or better people, they're just &quot;stupid haoles&quot;.

 

[Anghang]

i'm chinese/filipino and i consider myself to be asian as well as a pacific islander...as for the word oriental, i usually use it to describe objects, when it comes to people i just say asian or their ethnicity (chinese,korean,etc)...

 

[StormRider]

i'm chinese/filipino and i consider myself to be asian as well as a pacific islander...as for the word oriental, i usually use it to describe objects, when it comes to people i just say asian or their ethnicity (chinese,korean,etc)...

How did this reasoning get started (about the difference between people and objects)? It doesn't make sense to me. I think I've use the term English to describe both people and objects (English muffins, etc) so I don't understand why it is considered offensive to use the same adjective to describe both people and objects.

BTW, I personally use the term Asian because the term Oriental sounds out of style to me (like &quot;colored&quot; was used in the old days to describe black in a non-offensive way).

Unfortunately, the term Asian is confusing because in England this is the term used to describe Indians and oriental is the term used to describe people from China, Korea, and Japan etc.

 

[rootaxs]

Ditto. I'm a Filipino (or as most American's say it - Flip). We're considered Asian as well as orient. The Philippines is also nicknamed as the Pearl of the Orient Sea if that gives any indication of whether we're orient or not.

Pure Filipino's are dark-skinned while some are somewhat lighter due to (mostly) Spanish colonization. If you'll notice most Filipino's in the cities look more &quot;asian&quot; (e.g. chinky eyed) due to the fact that they're mostly decendants from families with Chinese or Japanese origins.

I personally look more Spanish due to the fact that my grandfather was a Spaniard. Here in the US, inspite of my light colored skin i still get mixed up as either a Latino or some other nationality. Never a Spaniard or a Filipino - which really upsets me (I *am* proud of my nationality, no offense to anyone).

As for Russia, No - they are not part of Asia. Formally they are European and to a lesser degree (e.g. near Siberia) they're Eurasian. I know this for a fact as my girlfriend/fiancee is pure Russian and she's taught me a lot of things about their history.

 

[b0mbrman]

&quot;Pacific Islander&quot; was made for people from Pacific Islands like Guam and Samoa. Come on now, just because the Philippines are a set of islands in the Pacific doesn't make them &quot;Pacific Islanders&quot; in the same sense that you wouldn't call a Japanese or Taiwanese person a Pacific Islander.

Geographically, the Philippines is in Southeast Asia. This is not a political thing--there is a shallow-water shelf that defines SE Asia and has made trade and travel between the little countries easy since the Age of Commerce.

Historically, Filipinos have been a part of the Malay race and shared similar culture up until Colonial times. Since then, we've become a sort of Creole race but we're no closer related to Mexicans than Dutch-settled Indonesians are related to Dutch-settled South Africans.

 

[b0mbrman]

Ditto. I'm a Filipino (or as most American's say it - Flip). We're considered Asian as well as orient.

Most Americans say Flip? I've heard Flip from one Korean guy and one Chinese guy in my lifetime...both very good friends. Who are you letting call you a Flip?

If you'll notice most Filipino's in the cities look more &quot;asian&quot; (e.g. chinky eyed) due to the fact that they're mostly decendants from families with Chinese or Japanese origins.

In all the Southeast Asian countries, the big cities are filled with merchants of Chinese descent. Look at Kuala Lumpur or pre-war Saigon and you'll see what I mean.

The Philippines is also nicknamed as the Pearl of the Orient Sea if that gives any indication of whether we're orient or not.

Who calls the Philippines the Pearl of the Orient Sea? Does the Orient Sea even exist?

Okay, I'm gonig to end this thread right here by linking to this map.

Boom. Discussion over.