Fiji artesian water....this stuff ain't bad!

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StrangerGuy

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Hey guys how about some euphoric water? Just heroin in water diluted to 1 part per trillion. You will be hooked.
 

KMFJD

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Fiji water is the first water bottler to be carbon negative:

http://evolvingchoice.com/2008/06/05/fiji-water-worlds-1st-carbon-negative-water/

What else you got?

All the while, they are loudly and proudly marketing Fiji Water as the most environmentally friendly bottled water company in the world.

This, of course, is not saying much. Bottled water is notorious for its position in top five lists of "what not to do" for the planet. One day, future civilizations will look back on this decade and wonder in disbelief why it was that we pumped water out of one part of the planet, encased it in plastic, then encased it again for shipping, and spent many many non-renewable resources to bring it to another part of the planet where clean water was already plentiful. It's patently ridiculous.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/t...iar-sounds-like-industrial-colonial/19138181/

Nowhere in Fiji Water's glossy marketing materials will you find reference to the typhoid outbreaks that plague Fijians because of the island's faulty water supplies; the corporate entities that Fiji Water has—despite the owners' talk of financial transparency—set up in tax havens like the Cayman Islands and Luxembourg; or the fact that its signature bottle is made from Chinese plastic in a diesel-fueled plant and hauled thousands of miles to its ecoconscious consumers. And, of course, you won't find mention of the military junta for which Fiji Water is a major source of global recognition and legitimacy.

Rakiraki has experienced the full range of Fiji's water problems—crumbling pipes, a lack of adequate wells, dysfunctional or flooded water treatment plants, and droughts that are expected to get worse with climate change. Half the country has at times relied on emergency water supplies, with rations as low as four gallons a week per family; dirty water has led to outbreaks of typhoid and parasitic infections. Patients have reportedly had to cart their own water to hospitals, and schoolchildren complain about their pipes spewing shells, leaves, and frogs. Some Fijians have taken to smashing open fire hydrants and bribing water truck drivers for a regular supply.


http://motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/fiji-spin-bottle
 

Fritzo

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All the while, they are loudly and proudly marketing Fiji Water as the most environmentally friendly bottled water company in the world.

This, of course, is not saying much. Bottled water is notorious for its position in top five lists of "what not to do" for the planet. One day, future civilizations will look back on this decade and wonder in disbelief why it was that we pumped water out of one part of the planet, encased it in plastic, then encased it again for shipping, and spent many many non-renewable resources to bring it to another part of the planet where clean water was already plentiful. It's patently ridiculous.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/t...iar-sounds-like-industrial-colonial/19138181/

Nowhere in Fiji Water's glossy marketing materials will you find reference to the typhoid outbreaks that plague Fijians because of the island's faulty water supplies; the corporate entities that Fiji Water has—despite the owners' talk of financial transparency—set up in tax havens like the Cayman Islands and Luxembourg; or the fact that its signature bottle is made from Chinese plastic in a diesel-fueled plant and hauled thousands of miles to its ecoconscious consumers. And, of course, you won't find mention of the military junta for which Fiji Water is a major source of global recognition and legitimacy.

Rakiraki has experienced the full range of Fiji's water problems—crumbling pipes, a lack of adequate wells, dysfunctional or flooded water treatment plants, and droughts that are expected to get worse with climate change. Half the country has at times relied on emergency water supplies, with rations as low as four gallons a week per family; dirty water has led to outbreaks of typhoid and parasitic infections. Patients have reportedly had to cart their own water to hospitals, and schoolchildren complain about their pipes spewing shells, leaves, and frogs. Some Fijians have taken to smashing open fire hydrants and bribing water truck drivers for a regular supply.


http://motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/fiji-spin-bottle

Yeah yeah yeah, boohoo, the poor people are in shambles, the rich get richer, the government is corrupt, who gives a crap. I like their bottled water.
 

Homerboy

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Yeah yeah yeah, boohoo, the poor people are in shambles, the rich get richer, the government is corrupt, who gives a crap. I like their bottled water.

Looking back on this thread, I realize you had to have known this would go south fast Fritzo. I'd almost think you were trolling if I didn't agree with you in regards to the water tasting/feeling much better.():)
 

zinfamous

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And wine is just sour grape juice.

How the hell does anyone go around comparing the taste of sour grape juice?

wine that is sour has gone bad, and should be tossed out. The different characteristics distinguishable among wine is much, much greater than what is in water.

There is definitely a difference between various waters, tap water, filtered or unfiltered, that can be easily noticed by an untrained tongue. That being said, the bottled water industry is 99.8% marketing that has successfully convinced people that they paying $2 for an unremarkable $0.02 product is perfectly reasonable. Dasani, which is simply the RO water in Pepsi's manufacturing plants that they have always used to make their soda, is the greatest example. :D
 
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Yeah yeah yeah, boohoo, the poor people are in shambles, the rich get richer, the government is corrupt, who gives a crap. I like their bottled water.

And boohoo people are calling you an idiot and rightly claiming that if you directly compared waters in similar conditions you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But hey, if you don't mind being presented with evidence that the company's marketing isn't being honest, but still falling for it and using that as your whole reasoning for proof of why you're right, then cool, but don't get pissy when people call you a dumbass for it.
 

Homerboy

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And boohoo people are calling you an idiot and rightly claiming that if you directly compared waters in similar conditions you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But hey, if you don't mind being presented with evidence that the company's marketing isn't being honest, but still falling for it and using that as your whole reasoning for proof of why you're right, then cool, but don't get pissy when people call you a dumbass for it.

Then I guess I and others in this thread are also "idiots" as to us, marketing or no marketing, there is a discernable taste difference between different bottled waters.

I'm not going to go out of my way for a specific brand-name, but if I'm out somewhere and given the choice, I will snag Fiji over Dasani (which tastes like pure crap). Personally, I refill the bottled water bottles with tap water more often than not 3, 4, 5 or more times and toss them in the firdge for later use.
 
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Then I guess I and others in this thread are also "idiots" as to us, marketing or no marketing, there is a discernable taste difference between different bottled waters.

I'm not going to go out of my way for a specific brand-name, but if I'm out somewhere and given the choice, I will snag Fiji over Dasani (which tastes like pure crap). Personally, I refill the bottled water bottles with tap water more often than not 3, 4, 5 or more times and toss them in the firdge for later use.

You can't say "marketing or no marketing" as you can't remove the marketing (and it absolutely can be responsible for your preference for a certain brand over others), and you haven't done anything to prove that you can tell a difference beyond claiming you prefer it. That's what I'm saying until you can prove you can tell the difference, you need to understand that you actually could just be falling for marketing. Its ok, it happens to literally everyone. The issue is, admitting it or actually backing up the claim.

I've also pointed out before that taste difference could actually be contributed to the container, and others have pointed out that varying levels of coldness (and even yourself being in different states, which the OP would clearly fall into given that he said sometimes he's so thirsty and he drinks a Fiji and it happens to taste so good), all can contribute to you thinking it tastes different (or smoothness or any number of other claims made about it).

Lastly, his whole proof for it tasting different is that its taken from a certain aquifer, which he then proceeded to make a jackass comment when someone provided evidence that the water from that area would not be great drinking water and therefore has to be filtered so that much of what would give that aquifer's water its taste would not be present in the water he actually drank. In other words, the marketing reason it would taste different basically wouldn't exist after they processed the water. People tell him he's just falling for marketing, he says the marketing is valid, its proven that it can't be valid, and then he then acts like that doesn't matter while also being a dick about what is happening to other people.

That is what makes him a dumbass/idiot, not him claiming he can tell the difference. The statement of mine you quoted didn't make that clear (my first sentence made it seem like I was calling him an idiot because he claims to tell a difference).
 

Homerboy

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You can't say "marketing or no marketing" as you can't remove the marketing (and it absolutely can be responsible for your preference for a certain brand over others), and you haven't done anything to prove that you can tell a difference beyond claiming you prefer it. That's what I'm saying until you can prove you can tell the difference, you need to understand that you actually could just be falling for marketing. Its ok, it happens to literally everyone. The issue is, admitting it or actually backing up the claim.

I've also pointed out before that taste difference could actually be contributed to the container, and others have pointed out that varying levels of coldness (and even yourself being in different states, which the OP would clearly fall into given that he said sometimes he's so thirsty and he drinks a Fiji and it happens to taste so good), all can contribute to you thinking it tastes different (or smoothness or any number of other claims made about it).

Lastly, his whole proof for it tasting different is that its taken from a certain aquifer, which he then proceeded to make a jackass comment when someone provided evidence that the water from that area would not be great drinking water and therefore has to be filtered so that much of what would give that aquifer's water its taste would not be present in the water he actually drank. In other words, the marketing reason it would taste different basically wouldn't exist after they processed the water. People tell him he's just falling for marketing, he says the marketing is valid, its proven that it can't be valid, and then he then acts like that doesn't matter while also being a dick about what is happening to other people.

That is what makes him a dumbass/idiot, not him claiming he can tell the difference. The statement of mine you quoted didn't make that clear (my first sentence made it seem like I was calling him an idiot because he claims to tell a difference).

Set up the taste test then. I'll be happy to "compete" in it for you. I assure you, I will tell the difference.

As far as "marketing" is concerned, I can again assure you I don't read the label and say "oh!!! This one comes from a fuckign spring in Poland and this one is Artisan water from Fiji!!!... with a green footprint!?!? Oh rainbows and gumdrops!! the Fiji water has to be better... <drink> and it is!!!"

I get the shit my wife throws in the fridge or the cooler and I drink it. That's the "marketing" I'm subjected to.
 

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I have no doubt that FIJI water tastes different, and probably better, than the tap water I drink every day. It's also a HUGE waste of natural resources and contributes to the success of an oppressive government. The $1.49 a bottle is immaterial compared to the environmental and human costs of FIJI water.
 

Fritzo

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Looking back on this thread, I realize you had to have known this would go south fast Fritzo. I'd almost think you were trolling if I didn't agree with you in regards to the water tasting/feeling much better.():)

I'm honestly the kind of person where if I enjoy something, I mention it because other people might enjoy it as well. It was a simple "hey, this is interesting" post, and it turned into bottled water = Darfur genocide.
 

Homerboy

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I'm honestly the kind of person where if I enjoy something, I mention it because other people might enjoy it as well. It was a simple "hey, this is interesting" post, and it turned into bottled water = Darfur genocide.

Oh Im 200% behind you. I don't fault you for posting AT ALL. But this is ATOT... we all know you're wrong BEFORE you even post.
 
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Set up the taste test then. I'll be happy to "compete" in it for you. I assure you, I will tell the difference.

As far as "marketing" is concerned, I can again assure you I don't read the label and say "oh!!! This one comes from a fuckign spring in Poland and this one is Artisan water from Fiji!!!... with a green footprint!?!? Oh rainbows and gumdrops!! the Fiji water has to be better... <drink> and it is!!!"

I get the shit my wife throws in the fridge or the cooler and I drink it. That's the "marketing" I'm subjected to.

I would if it were feasible. The real question for me wouldn't be if you can tell a difference (in fact, when given taste tests, people tend to feel they have to tell a difference and they'll try to explain it in ridiculous ways; I'm not saying its not important at all though), but that you would consistently rate Fiji as better (since the claim is that it is better), or that people would describe it as being "velvety" and "smoother".

You don't even have to read the label (and the fact that you claim Fiji is the best means their marketing has worked in that you know their brand) for marketing to work.

For all we know you can have a preference for square bottles. :awe:

People really don't like to admit that they can be played very easily, but it is a fact. Modern marketing is actually very sophisticated in that they can elicit responses in you without you having to actively think about it (for instance by changing the shape of the bottle and not using a generic store brand label). I'm not saying it is solely marketing, but when dealing with things that should have very little real taste difference, I'm more inclined to believe marketing is at play more than there being a valid taste difference (that is seemingly very obvious).

I don't care either way, but I do think people should recognize other factors and be willing to admit their influence. I'd be happy to admit/accept if they really can tell the difference and prove it.

I took issue with his asshole response to what the company is doing and his dismissal of their marketing bullshit in the face of him using the marketing as his proof.
 

Homerboy

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I would if it were feasible. The real question for me wouldn't be if you can tell a difference (in fact, when given taste tests, people tend to feel they have to tell a difference and they'll try to explain it in ridiculous ways; I'm not saying its not important at all though), but that you would consistently rate Fiji as better (since the claim is that it is better), or that people would describe it as being "velvety" and "smoother".

You don't even have to read the label (and the fact that you claim Fiji is the best means their marketing has worked in that you know their brand) for marketing to work.

For all we know you can have a preference for square bottles. :awe:

People really don't like to admit that they can be played very easily, but it is a fact. Modern marketing is actually very sophisticated in that they can elicit responses in you without you having to actively think about it (for instance by changing the shape of the bottle and not using a generic store brand label). I'm not saying it is solely marketing, but when dealing with things that should have very little real taste difference, I'm more inclined to believe marketing is at play more than there being a valid taste difference (that is seemingly very obvious).

I don't care either way, but I do think people should recognize other factors and be willing to admit their influence. I'd be happy to admit/accept if they really can tell the difference and prove it.

I took issue with his asshole response to what the company is doing and his dismissal of their marketing bullshit in the face of him using the marketing as his proof.

wait what? So if I know brand names and have a preference to one of the other due to XYZ reason (tastes better, is more comfortable, handles better in corners, gives a better blow job...whatever) that is MARKETING working on me? Not a superior product (for my tastes)?

You missed the point where I saw no "marketing" at all. I picked a bottle out of the fridge, drank it and said "hey wait... this tastes better than the other bottles" I didn't read labels. Or marketing campaigns. I didn't read ads in magazines or see commercials, or notice that XYZ celeb endorsed it.... IT WAS BETTER SO I PREFERRED IT
 
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It's pretty arrogant to say someone shouldn't enjoy something.

Actually, it kind of makes you a douche. Here's how you can be socially acceptable:

Person A: I like this brand of water! It tastes better than other waters I've tried. I really enjoy this!

You: Really? I myself don't usually drink bottled water because I don't think there's much of a difference between them. I'm glad you found something you enjoy though!

Person A: Thank you! I'll have to buy you one sometime so you can try it.

You: I would like that.

See how easy that was?

Yeah, that's not the situation at all.

Here's the actual situation:
You: Fiji has this great tasting water!
Some Other people: Wow, that is expensive. Doubtful its any better than other bottle water either, you're probably just being duped by marketing.
You: No, I've tasted other water, this is better.
Others: Sorry, its doubtful, here's some reasons why you probably think that...
You: Look! Their marketing proves it!
Others: Uh.....sure you're not just buying their marketing? Here's some evidence that shows bottled water is marketing more than anything. The company also claims to be environmentally friendly which is bullshit when talking about bottled water.
You: Nuh-uh, look they're green!
Others: Sorry, here's evidence that their marketing about that is sketchy. Oh, and here's some evidence that they're doing some pretty awful stuff beyond that even.
You: I don't care if the company is doing that to people, their water tastes better!
 

preslove

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Yeah, that's not the situation at all.

Here's the actual situation:
You: Fiji has this great tasting water!
Some Other people: Wow, that is expensive. Doubtful its any better than other bottle water either, you're probably just being duped by marketing.
You: No, I've tasted other water, this is better.
Others: Sorry, its doubtful, here's some reasons why you probably think that...
You: Look! Their marketing proves it!
Others: Uh.....sure you're not just buying their marketing? Here's some evidence that shows bottled water is marketing more than anything. The company also claims to be environmentally friendly which is bullshit when talking about bottled water.
You: Nuh-uh, look they're green!
Others: Sorry, here's evidence that their marketing about that is sketchy. Oh, and here's some evidence that they're doing some pretty awful stuff beyond that even.
You: I don't care if the company is doing that to people, their water tastes better!

lol, pretty much.

He really should look into Apple products. They're magic!
 
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wait what? So if I know brand names and have a preference to one of the other due to XYZ reason (tastes better, is more comfortable, handles better in corners, gives a better blow job...whatever) that is MARKETING working on me? Not a superior product (for my tastes)?

You missed the point where I saw no "marketing" at all. I picked a bottle out of the fridge, drank it and said "hey wait... this tastes better than the other bottles" I didn't read labels. Or marketing campaigns. I didn't read ads in magazines or see commercials, or notice that XYZ celeb endorsed it.... IT WAS BETTER SO I PREFERRED IT

That was a mistake by me, but is actually true. So while it is possible that you felt that way after tasting the water and then looked at the label (which by the way yes, their label is part of their marketing so that is how you became aware of their brand), there's also the possibility that you were influence by prior marketing from them (or word of mouth from someone else even). I'm fairly certain that you have been exposed to Fiji marketing beyond just their actual bottle.

The shape of their bottle is part of their marketing even, which can in fact make your mind (without you having to actually think about it consciously) recognize it and have a response to it. You know how Coke uses a specific bottle shape, or various alcohols do as well? It makes it recognizable, and so you can see an ad for it and your mind will recognize the bottle even though you're not actively thinking about it.

No, this doesn't mean that will make you like it, but it can influence you prior to you actually consuming the product, such that you will be more likely to have a positive response to it (it can also possibly lead to a negative response).
 

lxskllr

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I would if it were feasible. The real question for me wouldn't be if you can tell a difference (in fact, when given taste tests, people tend to feel they have to tell a difference and they'll try to explain it in ridiculous ways; I'm not saying its not important at all though), but that you would consistently rate Fiji as better (since the claim is that it is better), or that people would describe it as being "velvety" and "smoother".

I've had water packaged in bottles that make Fiji look like some kind of ghetto juice, and I still wasn't thrilled. I've also had water from Norway(Voss) which won awards for it's packaging and presentation. I still wasn't impressed. I can't comment on Fiji's flavor specifically as I haven't had it, but I'm pretty much immune to marketing. The best bottled water I've had was Brick House from Ellicott City MD. It was less than $1 per gallon at WalMart, but better than any packaged water I've had. I'll be picking up a bottle of Fiji next time I see it, and if it tastes as good as Brick House, I'll start buying that instead of WaWa brand water.

Btw, for the record, artesian means the water comes to the surface by itself. It isn't pumped, or taken from surface water. An artesian well is a springhead in every day language....
 

zinfamous

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I'm honestly the kind of person where if I enjoy something, I mention it because other people might enjoy it as well. It was a simple "hey, this is interesting" post, and it turned into bottled water = Darfur genocide.

well, it's YOUR FAULT for not realizing that the bottled water industry is such a politically charged issue. :p
 

disappoint

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I wish I knew how to bottle air and sell it... the water business is too saturated. :(

Work for a scuba shop?

Nevermind if you couldn't think of that you probably can't even tie your own shoes much less be entrusted with the life support apparatus of a scuba diver.

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