Fighting Terrorism....with the Koran

[frodrick]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Seems like a tactical nuke would have more stopping power than a book.

Pure stopping power? Yeah, probably. Books are pretty cheap though, and carpet booking a terrorist training camp might be an effective way to go about things. There's the initial impact, then the possibility of someone reading the books later. Sounds like good times to me.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MrNutz

Originally posted by: InstincT
Education is always the strongest weapon 😀

I agree completely. I was listening to AFR the other day and an Israeli missionary who has been to basically every country in the world was talking about the missionary work he does with muslim suicide bombers. He said that they normally welcome him with open arms to hear what he has to say. Since most muslims know the korans older stories well, he can relate to them with the old testament stories.

The main point is that they are completely isolated from hearing about Jesus and the salvation He offers. After they hear that Jesus sacrificed himself for their sins, they immediately start rethinking their initial plans to sacrifice themselves for the god they were so intent on pleasing. Most of them accept Jesus as their savior and have no reason to proceed with terrorism.

So education goes a long way for these ppl who are isolated from learning about Christainity and are easily mislead b/c of the poverty situations they live in.

People like you give Christianity a bad name.

 

[MrNutz]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
They do. Because you brought it up. More specifically, people respond apragmatically to most things religious for fear of having some 'fool' believe something that is 'wrong.' (being realistic here) Keep in mind that this message board has included COUNTLESS TROLLS in forums such as General Hardware and such, so that is why members seem so retaliatory, and their targets seem clueless as to what they're doing wrong.

That said, I feel that you are providing an inflamatory tangent to the discussion that assumes that Christianity is truth. Seeing as how a great number of members would disagree with such a statement, their responses should make sense.

Having once been a christian in the past, I recommend that you tone it down and remain more pragmatic in APPROACH. You can talk about god and such all you want, but if you want anyone to listen, you must make sure not to unkowningly offend or provoke them.

LOL.. my approach was to give a story I heard of how a missionary was offering salvation through Jesus Christ to a number of men who were intent to please their god by killing innocent ppl. And how they readily accepted a Savior who has sacrificed himself for them so that they wouldn't have to. (-That story followed up a comment that someone made about how educating the minds of these men can alter their motives.)

How was that flamatory? Again, you have accused me, just like the other guys, of something I didn't say. I not once said that I wanted anyone to assume anything. Yet I will agree that I made a mistake in possibly portraying Christianity as "just another religion".

So this is where we are different. And up to this point I have been quite civil and concise in my replies. But as to you, I am appalled. You accuse me of needed to tone down my faith in Jesus Christ b/c I may offend someone. Well, I most certainly see why you are no longer a Christian. You were never truly saved in the first place. If you were, then you would have had no problem professing your faith in GOD and openly thanking Him for the salvation He granted you through the forgiveness of your sins and grace in your life.

You would have had no problem offending someone who was lost in this world b/c they were searching for something missing in their life... something that all the worldly pleasures of money, lust, drugs, alcohol, possessions, or whatever could never provide them. That after seeking these things repeatedly to fill that emptiness, it would only return again.

You may be offended with me now, but I ask you... Is something missing in your life?

--I'm not looking for a response... I just want you to truly ask yourself that question. If you feel like you need to get in a heated argument with me about this, then you are missing the point. I could care less about winning some argument or bringing everyone to my "religious team"...

Let's just say I have the cure to the cancer of humanity and I would wrong to withhold that from anybody.

And if you say you're not sure or you think I am out of my mind. Then seek for yourself.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: MrNutz

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
They do. Because you brought it up. More specifically, people respond apragmatically to most things religious for fear of having some 'fool' believe something that is 'wrong.' (being realistic here) Keep in mind that this message board has included COUNTLESS TROLLS in forums such as General Hardware and such, so that is why members seem so retaliatory, and their targets seem clueless as to what they're doing wrong.

That said, I feel that you are providing an inflamatory tangent to the discussion that assumes that Christianity is truth. Seeing as how a great number of members would disagree with such a statement, their responses should make sense.

Having once been a christian in the past, I recommend that you tone it down and remain more pragmatic in APPROACH. You can talk about god and such all you want, but if you want anyone to listen, you must make sure not to unkowningly offend or provoke them.

LOL.. my approach was to give a story I heard of how a missionary was offering salvation through Jesus Christ to a number of men who were intent to please their god by killing innocent ppl. And how they readily accepted a Savior who has sacrificed himself for them so that they wouldn't have to. (-That story followed up a comment that someone made about how educating the minds of these men can alter their motives.)

How was that flamatory? Again, you have accused me, just like the other guys, of something I didn't say. I not once said that I wanted anyone to assume anything. Yet I will agree that I made a mistake in possibly portraying Christianity as "just another religion".

So this is where we are different. And up to this point I have been quite civil and concise in my replies. But as to you, I am appalled. You accuse me of needed to tone down my faith in Jesus Christ b/c I may offend someone. Well, I most certainly see why you are no longer a Christian. You were never truly saved in the first place. If you were, then you would have had no problem professing your faith in GOD and openly thanking Him for the salvation He granted you through the forgiveness of your sins and grace in your life.

You would have had no problem offending someone who was lost in this world b/c they were searching for something missing in their life... something that all the worldly pleasures of money, lust, drugs, alcohol, possessions, or whatever could never provide them. That after seeking these things repeatedly to fill that emptiness, it would only return again.

You may be offended with me now, but I ask you... Is something missing in your life?

--I'm not looking for a response... I just want you to truly ask yourself that question. If you feel like you need to get in a heated argument with me about this, then you are missing the point. I could care less about winning some argument or bringing everyone to my "religious team"...

Let's just say I have the cure to the cancer of humanity and I would wrong to withhold that from anybody.

And if you say you're not sure or you think I am out of my mind. Then seek for yourself.

Thanks. No, really. I appreciate your assumptions. They give me insight as to what type of person you are, and I can talk to you that much better. (that was sarcasm with a cherry on top)

As for why I am not a Christian, it is very personal, so I would rather not share it, but you should walk your tongue. Claiming that someone "hasn't really been saved" is like shooting yourself in the face. THe hellstorm you will face, much to your surprise, will be at the hands of christians.

NEVER EVER QUESTION SOMEONE'S FAITH. THAT IS NOT YOUR JOB. THAT IS THE DUTY OF GOD ALONE.

You should know better, so stop disgracing yourself and God in that respect. Every educated person that I know wouldn't dare making such insulting remarks and expect to be taken seriously. I'll let it go.

As for out original point of discussion.


your response was as such:

agree completely. I was listening to AFR the other day and an Israeli missionary who has been to basically every country in the world was talking about the missionary work he does with muslim suicide bombers. He said that they normally welcome him with open arms to hear what he has to say. Since most muslims know the korans older stories well, he can relate to them with the old testament stories.

The main point is that they are completely isolated from hearing about Jesus and the salvation He offers. After they hear that Jesus sacrificed himself for their sins, they immediately start rethinking their initial plans to sacrifice themselves for the god they were so intent on pleasing. Most of them accept Jesus as their savior and have no reason to proceed with terrorism.

So education goes a long way for these ppl who are isolated from learning about Christainity and are easily mislead b/c of the poverty situations they live in.

*change of tone*

Let me be the first to say that what you said was not wrong. It was a recount of how you heard about a similar situation, except involving Christianity as a means for salvation rather than Islam. There was nothing wrong with that. That said, your opinion assumes certains thing .....


Honestly, I will stop arguming because I really don't want to. YOu're not a bad person, and I have no need or desire to "put you in your place." I don;t know why you laugh at me, but whatever. I'm just trying to help you. I am simply trying to explain why people responded as they did for your own benefit. I have just noticed that approaching people in such a direct fashion can make them bring up their defenses.

Really, I was just trying to help you.....just because you are preaching or defending your faith does not mean you are not free to learn.

 

[gilgamish]

Originally posted by: MrNutz

Originally posted by: Codewiz

it's because they have been told that they need to sacrifice their bodies to appease their muslim god.

I

Im sorry, Im a Muslim. I think I can be your other part of this thread.
But could you please explain more the term "Muslim God"?
Coz as far as I know all the three heavenly creeds share the same idea of who or what is God.
There is no such thing as Muslim God, or Chritian God, or Juwish God.
This is one thing.
The other thing is, I completely agree with you on the issue that Terrorism was the fruit of misleaded facts interpreted to those people falsely about the idea of Jihad.
But what I dont agree is that Christianity (With all do respect) or any other ideology can save the situation.
Coz Islam itself in all its theories, also the history of struggle of Prophet Mohammad are capable of guiding them and us (we Muslims) that Jihad defenetly doesnt mean blood what so ever and I mean what so ever

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: gilgamish

Originally posted by: MrNutz

Originally posted by: Codewiz

it's because they have been told that they need to sacrifice their bodies to appease their muslim god.

I

Im sorry, Im a Muslim. I think I can be your other part of this thread.
But could you please explain more the term "Muslim God"?
Coz as far as I know all the three heavenly creeds share the same idea of who or what is God.
There is no such thing as Muslim God, or Chritian God, or Juwish God.
This is one thing.
The other thing is, I completely agree with you on the issue that Terrorism was the fruit of misleaded facts interpreted to those people falsely about the idea of Jihad.
But what I dont agree is that Christianity (With all do respect) or any other ideology can save the situation.
Coz Islam itself in all its theories, also the history of struggle of Prophet Mohammad are capable of guiding them and us (we Muslims) that Jihad defenetly doesnt mean blood what so ever and I mean what so ever

I see that you quoted me somehow and it looks like I wrote the "Muslim God" thing but it wasn't. That was MrNuty. I had quoted him and then you quoted me which makes it look like my quote.

I am also not the person pushing christianity as the fix for the situation. Just don't want a misquote from Fusetalk to screw me over in this battle 🙂