Fidel Castro dead at 90

[Abwx]

Castro was/is like Mugabe...a revolutionary that overthrew an oppressive regime to only then become the oppressor. Is it that they felt they were the best person to continue the ideals of their revolution and therefor could not let go of power? Best intentions gone awry? Proof that absolute power corrupts absolutely? Probably a mix of all that.

Castro and Mugabe are not comparable...

However, the Human Development Index of Cuba still ranks much higher than the vast majority of Latin American nations.

the poverty level reported by the government is one of the lowest in the developing world, ranking 6th out of 108 countries, 4th in Latin America and 48th among all countries.

So they have better situation than most of the american US puppeted countries, i thought that capitalism could do miracles, lol..

And this despite a criminal embargo from the dictorial state of USA whose policy is basically to make all she can to starve the cuban people in the hope that they would revolt against the authorities...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_embargo_against_Cuba

So much for the absolute power that lead to corruption, the corrupted hyperpower is the government of the US that tried to re install thieves and other gangsters as the masters of Cuba, it s indiscutable that the biggest criminal, and by far, in respect of the cuban people are the successive US governments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_state_funeral_of_Fidel_Castro

Will the criminal Bush jr be mourned this way when he ll die...?..
It will be a festival of celebrations in the whole world...

 

[K1052]

Trump, via twitter of course, threatening to "terminate" Cuban engagement unless they agree to a "better deal" this morning. Why all this angst over having a Sec State when he has a smartphone?

It's interesting that many people hold this one little country to a set of standards that we impose on basically no other nation that we deal with internationally. Huge social oppressors? Yep, love em. Violent dictatorships? Maybe they'll buy our weapons. Authoritarian government? Meh...how about that trade deal. It is amazingly hypocritical that we expect Cuba to basically become America before some people think it is appropriate to engage them.

 

[agent00f]

Trump, via twitter of course, threatening to "terminate" Cuban engagement unless they agree to a "better deal" this morning. Why all this angst over having a Sec State when he has a smartphone?

It's interesting that many people hold this one little country to a set of standards that we impose on basically no other nation that we deal with internationally. Huge social oppressors? Yep, love em. Violent dictatorships? Maybe they'll buy our weapons. Authoritarian government? Meh...how about that trade deal. It is amazingly hypocritical that we expect Cuba to basically become America before some people think it is appropriate to engage them.

Cuba is basically evidence that america as a country is vindictive & generally displays low moral standards.

 

[Atreus21]

You're not liberal, no matter how much you try to claim it. Liberals actually embrace people who aren't like them.

That, right there, is a load of crap.

 

[IronWing]

Trump, via twitter of course, threatening to "terminate" Cuban engagement unless they agree to a "better deal" this morning. Why all this angst over having a Sec State when he has a smartphone?

How do you know when Trump is lying?







You can see Putin's arm move.

 

[Commodus]

That, right there, is a load of crap.

Can you provide an actual explanation?

I liken Blue_Max calling himself a liberal to North Korea labelling itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Just because you profess to be a font of goodness, equality and liberty doesn't actually make it true. You have to prove it in your actions. And if you're an enthusiastic supporter of Trump who would genuinely like it if transgender and non-binary people had no protections under the law... your actions aren't very liberal at all.

 

[buckshot24]

Can you provide an actual explanation?

Water is wet too.

 

[Commodus]

Water is wet too.

I'm sorry, but I like people to argue with me based on substance, not snarky one-line quips. If you can't provide something to back up an assertion, it just proves that you have no case. Adults provide evidence; children fling insults.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

How do you know when Trump is lying?







You can see Putin's arm move.

:AWE:
dammit, stupid new emoji's

 

[Zaap]

Just because you profess to be a font of goodness, equality and liberty doesn't actually make it true.

That's as dumb a definition of 'liberal' as your first one about embracing people who aren't like you.

By your OWN (blatantly hypocritcal and downright hilarious) measure, you're no liberal yourself since you don't embrace someone who "isn't like you."

And that's the most horseshit definition of 'liberal' ever- liberals are extremely intolerant of others who aren't also liberals, and yourself trying to write crazy definitons to define the term so you can label someone else other than what they profess themselves to be, is just a form of your own intolerance.

Liberals just always see thier own intolerance as justified, because you=good, everyone else= bad/uneducated/unenlightened/whatever.

You have to prove it in your actions.

And what exactly would that be? Out in the street, blocking traffic? Tearing up things because you don't agree with an election result? Fawning over a brutal dictator who murdered and jailed his opposition- but hey, he got even with some rich people so anything goes? So I guess lots of people who do such things and the whole range of human good/bad can't call themselves 'liberals' because you want to construct your own defintion.

No one is perfect of course, we're all human, we all have our failings, but it's funny sometimes when hardcore leftists pretend they are perfect- exhibiting glaring flaws (like intolerance of others) while professing the opposite. That was the hilarious irony in your initial statement.

And if you're an enthusiastic supporter of Trump who would genuinely like it if transgender and non-binary people had no protections under the law... your actions aren't very liberal at all.

Geeze. Right back to the "the other side is evil!" arguments.

I guess in your world Hillary is a saint, with absolutely NO skeletons in her closet, and she's never held a view or supported a view that any liberal would disagree with.

 

[agent00f]

That, right there, is a load of crap.

That doesn't include bigots who don't deserve it. Even then, many liberals support appeasing them with all sorts of handouts/subsidies.

 

[agent00f]

That's as dumb a definition of 'liberal' as your first one about embracing people who aren't like you.

By your OWN (blatantly hypocritcal and downright hilarious) measure, you're no liberal yourself since you don't embrace someone who "isn't like you."

And that's the most horseshit definition of 'liberal' ever- liberals are extremely intolerant of others who aren't also liberals, and yourself trying to write crazy definitons to define the term so you can label someone else other than what they profess themselves to be, is just a form of your own intolerance.

Liberals just always see thier own intolerance as justified, because you=good, everyone else= bad/uneducated/unenlightened/whatever.


And what exactly would that be? Out in the street, blocking traffic? Tearing up things because you don't agree with an election result? Fawning over a brutal dictator who murdered and jailed his opposition- but hey, he got even with some rich people so anything goes? So I guess lots of people who do such things and the whole range of human good/bad can't call themselves 'liberals' because you want to construct your own defintion.

No one is perfect of course, we're all human, we all have our failings, but it's funny sometimes when hardcore leftists pretend they are perfect- exhibiting glaring flaws (like intolerance of others) while professing the opposite. That was the hilarious irony in your initial statement.


Geeze. Right back to the "the other side is evil!" arguments.

I guess in your world Hillary is a saint, with absolutely NO skeletons in her closet, and she's never held a view or supported a view that any liberal would disagree with.

It's always funny when conservatives all for people much worse than Castro believe they're the equals & more of those who aren't.

 

[Commodus]

That's as dumb a definition of 'liberal' as your first one about embracing people who aren't like you.

By your OWN (blatantly hypocritcal and downright hilarious) measure, you're no liberal yourself since you don't embrace someone who "isn't like you."

And that's the most horseshit definition of 'liberal' ever- liberals are extremely intolerant of others who aren't also liberals, and yourself trying to write crazy definitons to define the term so you can label someone else other than what they profess themselves to be, is just a form of your own intolerance.

Liberals just always see thier own intolerance as justified, because you=good, everyone else= bad/uneducated/unenlightened/whatever.

There's no hypocrisy here. I will defend your right to disagree with me, so long as you aren't actively trying to impede the rights of others, but you can't simply call yourself liberal no matter what you actually believe. Do you think that the government should deny people rights based on their sexuality or religion? Then you aren't liberal, at least not in the modern (that is, past century or so) sense. That's not me writing special definitions, that's liberalism in the broadest sense of the word.

And what exactly would that be? Out in the street, blocking traffic? Tearing up things because you don't agree with an election result? Fawning over a brutal dictator who murdered and jailed his opposition- but hey, he got even with some rich people so anything goes? So I guess lots of people who do such things and the whole range of human good/bad can't call themselves 'liberals' because you want to construct your own defintion.

No one is perfect of course, we're all human, we all have our failings, but it's funny sometimes when hardcore leftists pretend they are perfect- exhibiting glaring flaws (like intolerance of others) while professing the opposite. That was the hilarious irony in your initial statement.

You don't have to protest or worship Castro to show that you're a liberal -- you're attacking a straw man here (you should already know that I said Castro was far from a hero). It's simple. Show that you really do believe the government shouldn't be trying to legislate personal lives. Push for social freedoms and opportunities instead of trying to shut them down.

Geeze. Right back to the "the other side is evil!" arguments.

I guess in your world Hillary is a saint, with absolutely NO skeletons in her closet, and she's never held a view or supported a view that any liberal would disagree with.

Hell no. She's far from a saint, and she has done things that many liberals would disagree with. But Trump, based on his promised policies and administration, isn't liberal; believing that LGBT people should be denied rights isn't liberal. I don't think someone has to perfectly adhere to liberalism to call themselves liberal, but you can't espouse directly contradictory ideas.

 

[Zaap]

]Do you think that the government should deny people rights based on their sexuality or religion? Then you aren't liberal, at least not in the modern (that is, past century or so) sense. That's not me writing special definitions, that's liberalism in the broadest sense of the word.

You simply don't know the nature of liberals. Plenty of liberals believe the government should deny people rights, based on things they disagree with. (gun ownership, making more money than a liberal etc).

Hell, liberals try to sue and ruin people's careers for holding opinions they don't like, or even wearing a symbol that "offends" them somehow. (even when they don't understand what the symbol is.) You're typical in denying the true nature of many of your fellow liberals.

You don't have to protest or worship Castro to show that you're a liberal -- you're attacking a straw man here (you should already know that I said Castro was far from a hero).

Everything is about you. You must be the ONLY liberal.

Show that you really do believe the government shouldn't be trying to legislate personal lives. Push for social freedoms and opportunities instead of trying to shut them down.

Again, BLAZING irony! This is a thread about a dictatorial shitsack that indeed many of your fellow liberals worship- for using the full force of government power to do exactly the OPPOSITE of what you just said.

You're simply in denial about liberals beyond yourself. No wonder you make up silly defintions for the term, then hypocritcally hold someone else up to them.

 

[agent00f]

You simply don't know the nature of liberals. Plenty of liberals believe the government should deny people rights, based on things they disagree with. (gun ownership, making more money than a liberal etc).

Hell, liberals try to sue and ruin people's careers for holding opinions they don't like, or even wearing a symbol that "offends" them somehow. (even when they don't understand what the symbol is.) You're typical in denying the true nature of many of your fellow liberals.


Everything is about you. You must be the ONLY liberal.


Again, BLAZING irony! This is a thread about a dictatorial shitsack that indeed many of your fellow liberals worship- for using the full force of government power to do exactly the OPPOSITE of what you just said.

You're simply in denial about liberals beyond yourself. No wonder you make up silly defintions for the term, then hypocritcally hold someone else up to them.

It's pretty undeniable that Castro is at least a better person than this guys & friends.

 

[Vic]

Well, this liberal is glad that Hell has a new resident. My only disappointment is that it took so long.

 

[brycejones]

Trump should pull back on Cuba relations and circle the country with the Navy until they cough up Castro's bloated corpse to be hung from a pier in Miami until it rots away. /s

 

[buckshot24]

Trump should pull back on Cuba relations and circle the country with the Navy until they cough up Castro's bloated corpse to be hung from a pier in Miami until it rots away. /s

You had me until /s, I thought you were turning into one of the good guys. /s

 

[Jhhnn]

You simply don't know the nature of liberals. Plenty of liberals believe the government should deny people rights, based on things they disagree with. (gun ownership, making more money than a liberal etc).

Hell, liberals try to sue and ruin people's careers for holding opinions they don't like, or even wearing a symbol that "offends" them somehow. (even when they don't understand what the symbol is.) You're typical in denying the true nature of many of your fellow liberals.


Everything is about you. You must be the ONLY liberal.


Again, BLAZING irony! This is a thread about a dictatorial shitsack that indeed many of your fellow liberals worship- for using the full force of government power to do exactly the OPPOSITE of what you just said.

You're simply in denial about liberals beyond yourself. No wonder you make up silly defintions for the term, then hypocritcally hold someone else up to them.

You just put a lot of effort into frothing about what you mistakenly believe about Libruhls.

I can't recall when you've done much of anything else.

 

[Abwx]

And that's the most horseshit definition of 'liberal' ever- liberals are extremely intolerant of others who aren't also liberals.

More precisely they are intolerant of people who claim for themselves rights that they deny to others, best exemple are your so called founding fathers who were boasting about their own rights while gladly looting the natives inhabitants lands and enslaving people that they "imported" from other continents.

There s not a big difference with current conservatives who exemplify economics thinker J. K. Galbraith stance that what set apart USans and europeans is that the formers have not a devellopped sense of injustice, this characteristic is at its apex within the conservative camp and somewhat toned down within the liberal one...

Here in Europe 85% of Norway or Germany inhabitants think that the fruits of the collective labor are not shared justly, the proportion is about the same in France FI..

 

[buckshot24]

More precisely they are intolerant of people who claim for themselves rights that they deny to others, best exemple are your so called founding fathers who were boasting about their own rights while gladly looting the natives inhabitants lands and enslaving people that they "imported" from other continents.

There s not a big difference with current conservatives who exemplify economics thinker J. K. Galbraith stance that what set apart USans and europeans is that the formers have not a devellopped sense of injustice, this characteristic is at its apex within the conservative camp and somewhat toned down within the liberal one...

Here in Europe 85% of Norway or Germany inhabitants think that the fruits of the collective labor are not shared justly, the proportion is about the same in France FI..

Have you been to Cuba to see how the people live?

 

[Abwx]

Trump should pull back on Cuba relations and circle the country with the Navy until they cough up Castro's bloated corpse to be hung from a pier in Miami until it rots away. /s

Start with your beloved serial killer Bush j

Have you been to Cuba to see how the people live?

Personaly no, i only know cubans who came here in France but three musicians of my group went there to study latin drums and bata percussion several times starting in 1996.

Since this time several masters came here to teach by times but they never stayed definitly for most of them, thank to our few ligthly leftist governments we had the visit of a lot of those talented musicians from famed groups Los Van Van, NG La Banda, Irakere or solo artists like pianist Gonzalo Rubalcaba, there s several millions french who got to Cuba and this country and her culture are very popular here.

Of course we know that the country is not rich but an amazing characteristic is that cubans are extremely well educated, incomparably more than the US musicians i know even if appreciate those latter as much, globally we had about nothing to taught to cubans while US people all said that they learned a lot humanly speaking.

On a side note most US people i know are black people, i have fond memories of a deceased friend who is the nephew of famed Earth, Wind and Fire trombonist, certainly that he s the one who most helped us bridge the gap with the US people and not condemn you for the bad deeds of your government.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's interesting how the world changed & didn't change since 1959.

Have you been to Cuba to see how the people live?

It's apparently better than one might expect from us trying to starve them into submission since 1959.

 

[Abwx]

It's interesting how the world changed & didn't change since 1959.


It's apparently better than one might expect from us trying to starve them into submission since 1959.

In PPP their GDP is about 12K$/inhabitant, i find this number remarkable given the starvation staged by the US who not only has a torture dedicated base in Cuba but is also torturing this country as a whole since 60 years...

 

[buckshot24]

Start with your beloved serial killer Bush j


Personaly no, i only know cubans who came here in France but three musicians of my group went there to study latin drums and bata percussion several times starting in 1996.

Since this time several masters came here to teach by times but they never stayed definitly for most of them, thank to our few ligthly leftist governments we had the visit of a lot of those talented musicians from famed groups Los Van Van, NG La Banda, Irakere or solo artists like pianist Gonzalo Rubalcaba, there s several millions french who got to Cuba and this country and her culture are very popular here.

Of course we know that the country is not rich but an amazing characteristic is that cubans are extremely well educated, incomparably more than the US musicians i know even if appreciate those latter as much, globally we had about nothing to taught to cubans while US people all said that they learned a lot humanly speaking.

On a side note most US people i know are black people, i have fond memories of a deceased friend who is the nephew of famed Earth, Wind and Fire trombonist, certainly that he s the one who most helped us bridge the gap with the US people and not condemn you for the bad deeds of your government.

Ok, well life is tough in Cuba, I've seen it first hand. I watched a Cuban woman get her purse snatched in the "maqina" (shared taxi) ahead of us and the cop was just sitting there with his arms crossed not doing a thing. The ex's grandmother got cancer and they wouldn't treat her, all they did was gave her pills, she died a few days after we left the last time I was there. She was hilarious. She used to sell coffee to walker by's for a few pennies (coffee was one of the rations every Cuban got). She'd let me know about everybody who came by with just a look no words necessary. What a lady.

The cops are as corrupt as can be. They would randomly flag down private cabs to get a taste of the profits. I know a Cuban guy who has been here in Michigan for a year that got pulled over for driving drunk. He told me you'd just pay the cop off if it happened in Havana.