Ferguson Police Chief Lied About Why He Released Alleged Michael Brown Robbery Tape

[Greenman]

While I'm not familiar with Spidey's posting history that is referenced, can we get some clarification here? Is it only Spidey that isn't "allowed" to use the term in question? Is it only Spidey in the context of this thread? Is it only him in the context of this case? Is it only him in the context of a specific race?

Are we all not "allowed" to use the term in question? Are we only forbidden from assigning the term to this case? Are specific races exempt from being labeled this term or is it a blanket banning of the word?

Again, while I am not familiar with the other things Spidey has posted, the term in question 100% fits the person he assigns it to. As others have already pointed out, your contention that the term "is a now widely recognized code word for blacks" seems to be wrong. You may mean that the way Spidey uses it is recognized, but you are not clear about that. "widely recognized" implies that equating a specific race with the term in question extends well beyond Spidey.

If we could get a list of what normal definitions of words that we are "allowed" to use with what races, sexes, genders, etc. that would really help clear up some confusion! The obvious racial slurs would, of course, be included (understandably). But, if we can get a sticky with what innocuous terms we are not "allowed" to use in reference to specific races, I think we could have a much more appropriate discussion!

I'm right behind you, this is confusing.
It appears that the real issue is Spidey, and the belief that he's a raciest. Rather than try and control what he thinks, why not just ban him? We don't need the pretense of "fairness", just say you don't like him and show him the door, it's been done before. If it really is the word "thug" that is at issue, we will be needing documentation on allowable words. It's unreasonable to expect us to know what words have been redefined and what that new definition is.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Except those examples clearly show it was not racial.



I actually honestly believe if a white gang banger were eating skittles Spidey would use the term on that person too.



Cliven Bundy did not roam around threatening other people. I don't agree with what Bundy was doing letting his cattle graze on federal lands, nor did I agree with how Fox News fell in love with him - but I'm not stuck up enough to insist skin color was the only difference in these situations.

Tell me again how pointing a loaded weapon is unthreatening

Does that rifle shoot rainbows and unicorn farts?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Tell me again how pointing a loaded weapon is unthreatening

Does that rifle shoot rainbows and unicorn farts?

Is that Cliven Bundy?

 

[HomerJS]

Is that Cliven Bundy?

Jordon Davis was in a car of 4 where one of them had been in jail yet he was labeled as a thug.

Bundy invited theoe people to a confrontation with federal law enforcement

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm right behind you, this is confusing.
It appears that the real issue is Spidey, and the belief that he's a raciest. Rather than try and control what he thinks, why not just ban him? We don't need the pretense of "fairness", just say you don't like him and show him the door, it's been done before. If it really is the word "thug" that is at issue, we will be needing documentation on allowable words. It's unreasonable to expect us to know what words have been redefined and what that new definition is.

Whose we???You and the mouse in your pocket??

 

[alzan]

I agree that everything should be open and public.

As had been stated numerous times before, this video shows somewhat the mindset of the young man in the moments shortly before the shooting. Some of the more vocal residents claims of the young man having a fine moral character and on and on were shown to be simply untrue or gross exaggerations.

Now fair is fair: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...en-wilson-the-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/

A lot of information was also released about Officer Wilson also. Some attempts to denigrate his personality... Where was the outrage about that? Right there wasn't any.

I believe ALL of the FACTs should be released and open. I also do not have any issues with any Facts that have been released. It has not been one sided at all.

The video of MB speaks volumes however. And before you claim that I am advocating that MB should have been shot for the robbery, let me say I am not saying anything remotely like that. I am saying that it showed his mindset immediately before the shooting and it isn't pretty.

The video only shows a few seconds out of MB's life, you can only draw very limited information from it; unless of course you personally know MB and had known him all his life. It does not speak to what he had set for goals in his future.

Rumors and innuendo about any party surrounding this event do injustice and will only serve to muddy the waters.

 

[cubby1223]

The video only shows a few seconds out of MB's life, you can only draw very limited information from it; unless of course you personally know MB and had known him all his life. It does not speak to what he had set for goals in his future.

Rumors and innuendo about any party surrounding this event do injustice and will only serve to muddy the waters.

The whole situation is fucked up by all sorts of angles.

Did anyone know any of the people involved well enough to justify the rioting, looting, and burning?

At the very least, the video should have given pause to those who wanted to turn this situation into a Martin/Zimmerman situation, or a Duke Lacrosse situation, make them think, hmmm, maybe we should look at things further...

The city is fucked within deeper poverty for another decade thanks to the events that took place after the shooting. And most of the country has gone back to their daily routine. And we have the stranglers like Oldgamer still clinging to any shred of outrage they can find to feed their fleeting egos.


The video absolutely spoke volumes. Sometimes the volumes it speaks are volumes you weren't expecting it to speak. First and foremost it said "let's not jump to conclusions" to everyone who already assumed the conclusion.

 

[nehalem256]

The video only shows a few seconds out of MB's life, you can only draw very limited information from it; unless of course you personally know MB and had known him all his life. It does not speak to what he had set for goals in his future.

So you are suggesting that it was just coincidence that the one day in MB life that he decided to not be a perfect angel that he got shot dead by a cop?

Rumors and innuendo about any party surrounding this event do injustice and will only serve to muddy the waters.

Since when does a video constitute a rumor?

 

[alzan]

So you are suggesting that it was just coincidence that the one day in MB life that he decided to not be a perfect angel that he got shot dead by a cop?

Since when does a video constitute a rumor?

I wasn't suggesting anything, that's all in your mind.

You couldn't follow a straight line from point A to point B if your life depended on it.

 

[piasabird]

So now people are going to complain that the police should have hid the evidence. Reality and evidence seem to mean nothing to a liberal. What I really want to know is at what time did the description of the suspects go out over the police radio, and when was Mr Brown fatally shot? I have this suspicion that the radio broadcasted the report and Brown might have heard it while talking to the police. However, I have no way of knowing the exact timeline. Mr Brown might have been shot before the description of the suspect was known.

 

[HomerJS]

So now people are going to complain that the police should have hid the evidence. Reality and evidence seem to mean nothing to a liberal. What I really want to know is at what time did the description of the suspects go out over the police radio, and when was Mr Brown fatally shot? I have this suspicion that the radio broadcasted the report and Brown might have heard it while talking to the police. However, I have no way of knowing the exact timeline. Mr Brown might have been shot before the description of the suspect was known.

What evidence? The chief already stated what happened in store had no bearing on shooting.

Where the hell is the police report?

 

[smackababy]

What evidence? The chief already stated what happened in store had no bearing on shooting.

Where the hell is the police report?

No bearing on the shooting? I find it hard to believe that someone who just robbed a store is going to act nicely when an officer approaches them. But, that is just me. I mean, the officer in question could have just been out hunting for black people on that night, and it was all a huge coincidence that it happened to be Michael Brown he ran into. I find that equally hard to believe.

So, unless there is some proof that there weren't requests for the video to be released OR an actual statement implying they were [Freedom of Information Act] requests, this seems like a load of BS.

 

[ivwshane]

So now people are going to complain that the police should have hid the evidence. Reality and evidence seem to mean nothing to a liberal. What I really want to know is at what time did the description of the suspects go out over the police radio, and when was Mr Brown fatally shot? I have this suspicion that the radio broadcasted the report and Brown might have heard it while talking to the police. However, I have no way of knowing the exact timeline. Mr Brown might have been shot before the description of the suspect was known.

You don't have that info because it wasn't released, which is the whole point. The video was released to disparage browns character. Do we have the clerks side of the story? Do we have the story from the person who called the police? No? Then all we have is speculation and apparently that's all it takes for most people to form an opinion and stick to it dispute the facts. That's not good when trials are frequently done in front of a jury by your peers.

 

[cabri]

What evidence? The chief already stated what happened in store had no bearing on shooting.

Where the hell is the police report?

From the PD POV.

From MB POV, it should have had a major impact on his actions.

 

[nehalem256]

You don't have that info because it wasn't released, which is the whole point. The video was released to disparage browns character. Do we have the clerks side of the story? Do we have the story from the person who called the police? No? Then all we have is speculation and apparently that's all it takes for most people to form an opinion and stick to it dispute the facts. That's not good when trials are frequently done in front of a jury by your peers.

Are you suggesting that perhaps they called the police to say the MB was behaving himself in the store?

 

[Greenman]

Whose we???You and the mouse in your pocket??

So the pretense of fairness is what matters, not the reality?
People have been banned from AT with no explanation at all, and no reason is necessary. This is a privately owned forum, the owner or his agents can ban anyone they please, at any time, for any reason, or no reason what so ever. There is no freedom of speech here beyond what is granted by the owner or his agents, and any or all of it is subject to their whim. We have no recourse, no standing, and no method of redress beyond asking nicely.

I'd rather see someone banned because the mods don't like him rather than concocting new rules on the fly as a method of banning him.

 

[pcgeek11]

The video only shows a few seconds out of MB's life, you can only draw very limited information from it; unless of course you personally know MB and had known him all his life. It does not speak to what he had set for goals in his future.

Rumors and innuendo about any party surrounding this event do injustice and will only serve to muddy the waters.

Rumors and Innuendo? The video was not rumors and innuendo. I didn't say it defined his entire life. It did define his mindset just before the shooting however.

Have you even seen the video?

 

[LegendKiller]

The video only shows a few seconds out of MB's life, you can only draw very limited information from it; unless of course you personally know MB and had known him all his life. It does not speak to what he had set for goals in his future.

Rumors and innuendo about any party surrounding this event do injustice and will only serve to muddy the waters.

Yeah, the gang signs and a potential juvvie rap sheet says nothing about his life.

When was the last time you pushed around a store clerk to steal shit? It's not hard to not be a fucking moron in life, you just have respect for others. This idiot had no respect for others.

The guy thought he was a badass and could assault a cop. Just like Trayvon thought he was a badass and could go out and hunt Zimmerman. Both "badasses" learned in the end.

 

[positivedoppler]

Brown's robbery attempt is irrelevant to this case. Wilson will be judge based on the fact rather or not he shot a person who is either surrendering or charging towards him. Abundance of witness testimony, audio, picture, and hopefully video confirmation will be deciding factor not what Brown did earlier that day or his personality. To those who say that Brown's thug like nature proof that he might have charged at Wilson, you guys watch too much Charles Bronson movie and you need to detach yourselves from fiction. If you let that slide you might as well give police officers and vigilantes the green light to go execute all thugs, gang members, and trouble teens because past actions and questionable personalities is proof that they are always the aggressor right? No need to ever question the shooters of the thugs.


Now should we be concern about the police department perhaps
leaking stuff they shouldn't have and then lying about the motive? Yes of course. Indirectly the Ferguson police department is on trial. How far will they go to protect the blue line is something all patriotic Americans should be concerned about. Can a police department be trusted to prosecute and investigate their own? This to me is the biggest issue of this case. If the answer is that police departments like these will forever protect their own regardless of the crime with extreme bias, then we need to start figuring out a better way to police our police force. Today the dead is a unpopular black thug who many feel had it coming. I know there are many white people who feel that this is once again the black community playing the race card trying to get special treatment for a thug who is a negative contribution to society. I get that, but that is not the most important thing here and shouldn't be something focus on. Our steady erosion of freedom and civil right is what we should be most concerned with.

Decades ago our public enemy number one was drugs and today we are left with violent poverty infested neighborhoods as its legacy both here and south of the border

Yesterday our enemies were terrorists and today we are left with an ever more intrusive government both at home and at the airport

Recently our enemy was an American terrorist so we green light the Presidential authority to execute him without trial or jury. I can only hope that this does not lead us down another slippery slope. Do you see that pattern here? Find an enemy for us to hate then strip our civil rights while we're blinded by anger

Today the enemy is perhaps a good for nothing thug, but does that mean we should take the police department's word for it despite the testimony of so many witnesses? It's easy for us to not care about Brown and view him as a thug who had it coming and perhaps the world is better without him. But if we let this incident slide without enough of a public scrutiny over the action of the police, would we still feel the same in the future when Judge Dred can point his gun at the rest of us citizens with impunity.

 

[DrPizza]

Or, it's the article writer (or editor) following appropriate writing rules:

"Square brackets are used around words that are added that are not part of the original quote. For instance, you might have a source that says "Brenda and David went to the store," but you only want the quote to refer to David as a pronoun in your quote. So you should change it to "[He] went to the store."

Brackets can also be used with quotes for explanation for how you changed the quote from the original source. For example, you might write "Brenda and David went to the store [emphasis added]."

http://askus.library.wwu.edu/a.php?qid=363529

In this case I suspect that it was added as an explanation as to what type of request was made and why the department would have to grant that request.

It's a common, everyday practice and there is nothing sinister about it.

I stand corrected - I thought the OP had inserted them; didn't realize everything was a quote of the news article. (Boy, quote tags would work really well to make that distinction; I wish vB had them.)

You don't have that info because it wasn't released, which is the whole point. The video was released to disparage browns character. Do we have the clerks side of the story? Do we have the story from the person who called the police? No? Then all we have is speculation and apparently that's all it takes for most people to form an opinion and stick to it dispute the facts. That's not good when trials are frequently done in front of a jury by your peers.

Speculation? Wtf?! It's a freaking video! And, sorry, the person responsible for disparaging Brown's character was Brown. You apparently need a new prescription for those rose colored glasses.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Jordon Davis was in a car of 4 where one of them had been in jail yet he was labeled as a thug.

Bundy invited theoe people to a confrontation with federal law enforcement

Could you please post one of the invitations Clive Bundy sent out?

 

[alzan]

Rumors and Innuendo? The video was not rumors and innuendo. I didn't say it defined his entire life. It did define his mindset just before the shooting however.

Have you even seen the video?

I never said the video represented rumors and innuendo, that's all in your mind. And you don't know what he was thinking "just before the shooting" unless you're claiming powers of ESP.

Yes I have seen the video; it has nothing whatsoever to do with the shooting.

Yeah, the gang signs and a potential juvvie rap sheet says nothing about his life.

When was the last time you pushed around a store clerk to steal shit? It's not hard to not be a fucking moron in life, you just have respect for others. This idiot had no respect for others.

The guy thought he was a badass and could assault a cop. Just like Trayvon thought he was a badass and could go out and hunt Zimmerman. Both "badasses" learned in the end.

Yes, a few bad acts totally define a person's entire life. When will you be posting your bad acts so that we may define you?

You don't know MB so you don't know who he respected; you're just judging him based on one action.

Seems to me the cop and GZ also thought they were badasses; we know GZ is an ass, jury's still out on the cop.

 

[Attic]

I never said the video represented rumors and innuendo, that's all in your mind. And you don't know what he was thinking "just before the shooting" unless you're claiming powers of ESP.

Yes I have seen the video; it has nothing whatsoever to do with the shooting.



Yes, a few bad acts totally define a person's entire life. When will you be posting your bad acts so that we may define you?

You don't know MB so you don't know who he respected; you're just judging him based on one action.

Seems to me the cop and GZ also thought they were badasses; we know GZ is an ass, jury's still out on the cop.

That's a lot of dumb to pack into one post.

 

[smackababy]

So, is there actually any proof or speculation that there weren't verbal requests to release this video and OP is full of shit? Or, are we still on the "evidence be damned! we hate cops" boat?

 

[MixMasterTang]

So, is there actually any proof or speculation that there weren't verbal requests to release this video and OP is full of shit? Or, are we still on the "evidence be damned! we hate cops" boat?

There are these facts:

No evidence has been brought forward that anyone specifically asked for the video's release.

There is evidence that many people have requested for the release of 911 calls and witness statements yet those have not been released.

So, they (FPD) release 1 piece of evidence that even they (the police department) claim had no impact on the shooting that shows the dead person breaking crimes for "no specific reason" while holding back other evidence just for shits and giggles.