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FEMA, Slow to the Rescue, Now Stumbles in Aid Effort

BBond

Diamond Member
Bush said some pretty words in front of a beautiful setting but it was all just the standard lip service.

FEMA, Slow to the Rescue, Now Stumbles in Aid Effort

By JENNIFER STEINHAUER and ERIC LIPTON

BATON ROUGE, La., Sept 16 - Nearly three weeks after Hurricane Katrina cut its devastating path, FEMA - the same federal agency that botched the rescue mission - is faltering in its effort to aid hundreds of thousands of storm victims, local officials, evacuees and top federal relief officials say. The federal aid hot line mentioned by President Bush in his address to the nation on Thursday cannot handle the flood of calls, leaving thousands of people unable to get through for help, day after day.

Federal officials are often unable to give local governments permission to proceed with fundamental tasks to get their towns running again. Most areas in the region still lack federal help centers, the one-stop shopping sites for residents in need of aid for their homes or families. Officials say that they are uncertain whether they can meet the president's goal of providing housing for 100,000 people who are now in shelters by the middle of next month.

While the agency has redoubled its efforts to get food, money and temporary shelter to the storm victims, serious problems remain throughout the affected region. Visits to several towns in Louisiana and Mississippi, as well as interviews with dozens of local and federal officials, provide a portrait of a fragmented and dysfunctional system.

The top two federal relief officials in charge of the effort both acknowledged in interviews late this week that they too have listened to the frustrated voices of local officials and citizens alike, and find their complaints valid.

"It is not happening fast enough, effective enough and it is not impacting the people at the bottom as quickly as it should," said Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, standing along the waterfront in New Orleans on Friday. "I have heard frustrations."

Admiral Allen, who was put in charge of the federal government's emergency operations along the Gulf Coast a week ago Friday, said entrenched bureaucracies hampered attempts to accelerate his top priorities: aid to residents, providing housing and clearing the vast swaths of wreckage from homes and trees damaged by the storm.

Working from Baton Rouge, William Lokey, FEMA's coordinating officer for the three-state region, echoed Admiral Allen's criticisms. "It is not going as fast as I would like, and yes, I do not have the resources I would like," he said on Thursday. "I am going as fast as I can to get them."

The problems clearly stem largely from the sheer enormousness of the disaster. But the lack of investment in emergency preparedness, poor coordination across a sprawling federal bureaucracy and a massive failure of local communication systems - all of which hurt the initial rescue efforts - are now also impeding the recovery.

FEMA, Mr. Lokey said, is an agency with limited federal money that must quickly expand its operational capacity only after a major disaster strikes. It has not won a large chunk of the new federal homeland security dollars, that have been dedicated to terrorism.

"If the billions of dollars that have been spent on chemical, nuclear and biological response, if some of that had come over here, we would have done better," he said. "But after 9/11, the public priority was terrorism."

The Katrina troubles underscore serious questions about the federal government's ability to handle similar disasters in the future.

"I don't think federal bureaucracy can handle the next disaster," said Toye Taylor, the president of Washington Parish, one of the hardest hit areas in Louisiana, who met with Mr. Bush this week.

"I expressed to the president that it would take a new partnership between the military and private sector," Mr. Taylor said. "Because there will be another one and I don't think the federal government is going to be able to help." Indeed, Mr. Bush said in his address to the nation from New Orleans on Thursday night that the military would play a new role in federal disaster relief.

The struggle to return parishes, towns and individual lives to some semblance of working order is visible throughout the region.

The president of St. Tammany Parish, Kevin Davis, is praying that it does not rain in his sweltering corner of Louisiana, because three weeks after the storm severely damaged his drainage system, FEMA has yet to give him approval to even start the repairs.

Up north in the poor parish of Washington, residents are sleeping in houses that were chopped in half by oak trees. The promised wave of government inspectors have not shown up to assist them.

James McGehee, the mayor of Bogalusa, a small Louisiana city near the Mississippi border, could barely contain his rage in an interview on Thursday.

"Today is 18 days past the storm, and FEMA has not even put a location for people who are displaced," he said. "They are walking around the damn streets. The system's broke."

Some critical aspects of the federal response to the storm are moving significantly faster than expected. The Army Corps of Engineers, which initially predicted that pumping out New Orleans would take up to three months, now predicts that the enormous task will be wrapped up by Oct. 2.

FEMA and its partners have delivered as of Friday morning more than 177 million tons of ice, 63 million liters of water and 26 million ready-to-eat meals throughout Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

More than $1.25 billion of federal disaster aid has also been distributed directly to many of the just over one million victims in the three-state region that registered for aid. Just in Louisiana, another $100 million in disaster food stamp benefits have been distributed.

"The commitment is an aggressive one," said Ann Silverberg Williamson, secretary of the Louisiana Department of Social Services, which is working with federal officials on several of these efforts.

In many affected areas, Americans continue to live in conditions unthinkable in most of the industrialized world, like the rural unincorporated areas in Washington and surrounding parishes, where the uprooted trunks of 20-ton trees have left dinosaur foot-size crevices in roads, and homes are still surrounded by a maze of twisting branches.

In Tangipahoa Parish, the parish president, Gordon Burgess, said he called FEMA officials daily to ask when they would arrive to assist residents with housing. Mr. Burgess said the federal workers say, " 'I'll get to you next week,' and then the next week and then you'd never hear from them again."

Indeed, almost every local leader interviewed - even those sympathetic to FEMA's plight - complained that they could not get FEMA to approve their contracts with workers, tell them when they would be opening help centers or answer basic questions. Often, they say, the FEMA worker on the ground, eager to help, has to go up the chain of command before taking action, which can take days.

"People on the ground are wonderful but the problem is getting the 'yes,' " said Mr. Davis of St Tammany parish, who has a contractor ready to clean his drainage system of the same trees FEMA allowed him to take off his streets, and to repair parts of the sewage system.

"I'm saying, 'Wait a minute, you pick up debris on the road but not the drainage?' If it rains, I've got real problems. I just need someone to tell me make the public bids and I could rebuild our parish in no time."

Perhaps the greatest frustration expressed by state and local officials - as well as by some federal officials - is the pace of finding or setting up temporary housing to move people out of emergency shelters and the slow opening of specialized recovery centers.

The Bush administration had set Oct. 1 as the deadline for moving those 100,000 people in shelters out of these often overcrowded and uncomfortable facilities and into temporary homes. The goal is to install tens of thousands of mobile homes and trailers, so people are not only out of the shelters, but they can move back closer to their homes. But progress on the installation of these new homes is off to a slow start.

"That is not going to happen," Mr. Lokey said Thursday afternoon of the Oct. 1 goal. "It is just too big." By Thursday night, in his speech to the nation, Mr. Bush had revised the deadline to Oct. 15, which Mr. Lokey said would still be hard to meet.

Tempers are already flaring among many of the thousands of people displaced by the storm who have had a hard time getting through to FEMA on the telephone or finding centers where FEMA representatives can answer questions about various federal assistance programs. Only 8 of 40 promised sites have opened in Louisiana.

"I still do not have a firm date as to when they will put a site," said Mr. Taylor of Washington parish. Baton Rouge, which has received a huge influx of evacuees, did not get such a center until this Thursday. Evacuees and local officials also complain that FEMA's request for them to register on line or via phone is unrealistic, given that as of Wednesday 310,000 households in Louisiana were still without telephone service and 283,231 were still awaiting power, or nearly 30 percent of the state's households. And the phone lines are almost always jammed anyway. As such, those with cars drive miles to operating help centers in other counties, where the lines are sprawling. Confusion is rampant.

"FEMA don't communicate with you very well," said Tommy Nelson, as he cleaned out the home of his girlfriend's mother in Waveland, a Gulf Coast town now more of a memory than a place. "You got to learn things second-hand. We just happened to be in a post office line and we just happened to learn you got to register down here for a trailer. I was talking to a FEMA representative about trailers yesterday and she didn't have a clue." The best way to reach FEMA is about 2 a.m., various evacuees said.

Meanwhile, truck drivers carrying tens of thousands of tons of ice and driving water have been sent on a cross-country tour, from city to city, only then to be told to wait for up to a week in a parking lot in Memphis, with their engines, as well as their tabs as drivers running.

"It is a sad experience," said Frank Link,, who was sent from to Missouri, then to Mississippi, then to Alabama and then to Tennessee - all with the same load of 41,580 pounds of ice that he had loaded in Chicago. "I went down there to help. All I did was get the runaround from FEMA."

But the disaster has also exposed several serious flaws that hampered FEMA's response. Communication systems, especially in rural areas, were crippled and have still failed to return, making it impossible for residents as well as local officials to reach the federal government.

Further, many of the residents affected had few resources and limited power to begin with. Isolation proved to be a liability. Those who had leaders with access to television cameras and a little political influence have begun to make out better than those without.

Aaron Broussard, president of Jefferson Parish, assailed the federal government on national television the first days after the storm. Today he boasts that FEMA has moved "at lightning speed" to get his parish housing, paychecks for workers, and carries in his tote bag a personal letter from the president.

Admiral Allen, whose jurisdiction spreads across the Gulf Coast region, said he recognized that he had a brief window in which to turn things around for the hundreds of thousands of affected residents. "There should be a low tolerance for a learning curve on my part," Admiral Allen said. "It is not weeks. It is days. And if it is not days, it is hours."
 
More damning evidence on the incompetence of the Bush administration:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/17/katrina.response/index.html

As Hurricane Katrina bore down on the Gulf Coast three weeks ago, veteran workers at the Federal Emergency Management Agency braced for an epic disaster.

But their bosses, political appointees with almost no emergency management experience, didn't seem to share the sense of urgency, a FEMA veteran said.

"We told these fellows that there was a killer hurricane heading right toward New Orleans," Leo Bosner, a 26-year FEMA employee and union leader told CNN. "We had done our job, but they didn't do theirs."
...
"I have nothing personal against Mike Brown," Bosner told CNN. "I feel badly about the guy. But he took a job he was never trained for. The man was a lawyer."

Why in god's name did Bush appoint someone unqualified to be FEMA director?

A primary function of the Federal Government is to ensure the physical safety of its citizens. The government clearly failed, and it makes me angry that all these tax dollars I paid didn't do enough.
 
The problems clearly stem largely from the sheer enormousness of the disaster. But the lack of investment in emergency preparedness, poor coordination across a sprawling federal bureaucracy and a massive failure of local communication systems - all of which hurt the initial rescue efforts - are now also impeding the recovery.
You failed to focus on this part of the article, which clearly demonstrates that in the wake of such a disaster, our government, at all levels, simply lacked the resources, organizational structure and processes to handle such a crisis.

One would expect that in the wake of 9-11, our government would have the resources to handle urban disaster scenarios...but no terrorist scenario could possibly match the widespread destruction created by nature in the Gulf coast region.

America may be the most modern and powerful nation on the planet, but our technologies, government and agencies are still limited by the human constraint of what can possibly be accomplished given the resources available.

A primary function of the Federal Government is to ensure the physical safety of its citizens. The government clearly failed, and it makes me angry that all these tax dollars I paid didn't do enough.
The ability to respond to such a catastrophe on American soil at any time would require that we literally maintain a standing organization of fully trained and well equipped relief workers...the problem with FEMA is that as an organization, it does not have any of the resources organic to the nature of its mandate...FEMA largely relies on the coordination of efforts between multiple agencies and organizations at various tiers of our government.

To make this country invulnerable to such catastrophies in the future, it would require far more tax dollars then currently being dedicated.
 
So it takes five days for the U.S. government to even begin rescue efforts now.

Wonderful, now I really feel safe. Good thing it had nothing to do with Bush assigning inexperienced cronies to run FEMA.

"Lack of investment in emergency preparedness, poor coordination across a sprawling federal bureaucracy"

You failed to focus on that part of the article.

 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
OK, let's take the ones being wasted in Iraq and do that. Done.

Or how about all the other wasteful government spending? If you are just going to site the Iraq war, that tells me you are nothing but a political hack.. I can guarantee you we waste more money NOT in Iraq than we do IN Iraq.. but you won't mention any of that waste cause it doesn't fit your hate agenda.
 
Originally posted by: NoSmirk
Originally posted by: arsbanned
OK, let's take the ones being wasted in Iraq and do that. Done.

Or how about all the other wasteful government spending? If you are just going to site the Iraq war, that tells me you are nothing but a political hack.. I can guarantee you we waste more money NOT in Iraq than we do IN Iraq.. but you won't mention any of that waste cause it doesn't fit your hate agenda.

Hate agenda?? Yes, being against war is a hate agenda. LOL.
 
Originally posted by: NoSmirk
Originally posted by: arsbanned
OK, let's take the ones being wasted in Iraq and do that. Done.

Or how about all the other wasteful government spending? If you are just going to site the Iraq war, that tells me you are nothing but a political hack.. I can guarantee you we waste more money NOT in Iraq than we do IN Iraq.. but you won't mention any of that waste cause it doesn't fit your hate agenda.

You should really read about the ongoing waste in Iraq before making that statement. Iraq is the definition of government waste.

The CPA "lost" $9 billion in one fell swoop. Halliburton has been overcharging from day one. Money meant for rebuilding the infrastructure we blew up is being spent on security to stop the "insurgency" from blowing it up again because Bush and the neocon ideologues who sold him on this disaster didn't bother to plan for even the first day after the invasion. "Vendors" are running around Iraq with trunks full of U.S. dollars to pay off people for everything from their votes to their weapons.

Bush has spent $200 billion thus far, not to mention the thousands killed and maimed, for regime change in Iraq from a secular dictatorship to a religious dictatorship.

Talk about waste.
 
Originally posted by: NoSmirk
Originally posted by: arsbanned
OK, let's take the ones being wasted in Iraq and do that. Done.

Or how about all the other wasteful government spending? If you are just going to site the Iraq war, that tells me you are nothing but a political hack.. I can guarantee you we waste more money NOT in Iraq than we do IN Iraq.. but you won't mention any of that waste cause it doesn't fit your hate agenda.

Like a trillion dollars in entitlement spending each year. 🙁
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: NoSmirk
Originally posted by: arsbanned
OK, let's take the ones being wasted in Iraq and do that. Done.

Or how about all the other wasteful government spending? If you are just going to site the Iraq war, that tells me you are nothing but a political hack.. I can guarantee you we waste more money NOT in Iraq than we do IN Iraq.. but you won't mention any of that waste cause it doesn't fit your hate agenda.

Like a trillion dollars in entitlement spending each year. 🙁

Are you including the entitlement spending for farm subsidies for companies like Archers, Daniels, Midland and ConAgra?

 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: BBond

Are you including the entitlement spending for farm subsidies for companies like Archers, Daniels, Midland and ConAgra?

Absolutely.

The federal government should be restricted to defense spending only? Is that your point? Or is your point that any "entitlement" spending, including participant funded programs like Social Security, are all a waste? Is aid to national disasters like Hurrican Katrina a waste too?


 
So it takes five days for the U.S. government to even begin rescue efforts now.
National Guard troops were already inside New Orleans before the flooding began...the situation did not become a federal emergency until the city levees broke, a scenario that many predicted but none took seriously.

"Lack of investment in emergency preparedness, poor coordination across a sprawling federal bureaucracy"
And how exactly do you prepare for the emergency scenario of a major American city flooding, with a total breakdown of coordination and communication at the city and state level.

Think about your own investment of emergency preparedness prior to New Orleans...how many Americans keep a stockpile of non perishable food, water, medical supplies and other survival gear to get them through a natural disaster? It's always a possibility, especially in some parts of the country, but most don't expect it to happen...well it can happen...emergency preparedness starts with the individual and works its way up all the way to the federal level...that we have an expectation of the federal government being capable of responding to everything is what created the bloated bureaucracy in the first place.

The federal government should be restricted to defense spending only? Is that your point? Or is your point that any "entitlement" spending, including participant funded programs like Social Security, are all a waste? Is aid to national disasters like Hurrican Katrina a waste too?
Any form of state sponsored welfare, whether it be at the individual, organizational or corporate level, is a waste...quite sad that we expect the federal government to bail us out whenever things go sour.
 
Originally posted by: BBond
The federal government should be restricted to defense spending only? Is that your point? Or is your point that any "entitlement" spending, including participant funded programs like Social Security, are all a waste? Is aid to national disasters like Hurrican Katrina a waste too?

The role of the federal government:

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.


A beautiful thing, where the above was (at least loosely) adhered to, and not twisted and defiled .
 
Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
So it takes five days for the U.S. government to even begin rescue efforts now.
National Guard troops were already inside New Orleans before the flooding began...the situation did not become a federal emergency until the city levees broke, a scenario that many predicted but none took seriously.

"Lack of investment in emergency preparedness, poor coordination across a sprawling federal bureaucracy"
And how exactly do you prepare for the emergency scenario of a major American city flooding, with a total breakdown of coordination and communication at the city and state level.

Think about your own investment of emergency preparedness prior to New Orleans...how many Americans keep a stockpile of non perishable food, water, medical supplies and other survival gear to get them through a natural disaster? It's always a possibility, especially in some parts of the country, but most don't expect it to happen...well it can happen...emergency preparedness starts with the individual and works its way up all the way to the federal level...that we have an expectation of the federal government being capable of responding to everything is what created the bloated bureaucracy in the first place.

The federal government should be restricted to defense spending only? Is that your point? Or is your point that any "entitlement" spending, including participant funded programs like Social Security, are all a waste? Is aid to national disasters like Hurrican Katrina a waste too?
Any form of state sponsored welfare, whether it be at the individual, organizational or corporate level, is a waste...quite sad that we expect the federal government to bail us out whenever things go sour.

That's just an outright misrepresentation. How many NG troops were in the city and why couldn't any of the news crews find them?

You prepare for an emergency by creating and funding emergency planning, not by naming cronies to the top three positions at FEMA and gutting levee projects.

If you people don't want any government I suggest you form an anarchy. Until then, civilization still means that when people need help they get it. If this nation honored work by instituting a living wage, instead of passing millions in profits along to the board room and billions in tax breaks to people who have more money than anyone could ever need, 12.7 percent of our population wouldn't be living below poverty level.
 
Originally posted by: BBond
If you people don't want any government I suggest you form an anarchy. Until then, civilization still means that when people need help they get it. If this nation honored work by instituting a living wage, instead of passing millions in profits along to the board room and billions in tax breaks to people who have more money than anyone could ever need, 12.7 percent of our population wouldn't be living below poverty level.

Nobody wants no government. People want limited government that doesn't involve itself in every single "problem" in the country.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: BBond
If you people don't want any government I suggest you form an anarchy. Until then, civilization still means that when people need help they get it. If this nation honored work by instituting a living wage, instead of passing millions in profits along to the board room and billions in tax breaks to people who have more money than anyone could ever need, 12.7 percent of our population wouldn't be living below poverty level.

Nobody wants no government. People want limited government that doesn't involve itself in every single "problem" in the country.

If you want limited government how can you support Bush?
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: BBond

If you want limited government how can you support Bush?

Better than Hillarycare. Defense spending is worthwhile.

That's not an answer to his question. If you don't care how much Bush spends then you don't want limited goverment.
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: BBond

If you want limited government how can you support Bush?

Better than Hillarycare. Defense spending is worthwhile.

That's not an answer to his question. If you don't care how much Bush spends then you don't want limited goverment.

He supports the biggest spender in U.S. history but he wants limited government.

Typical brainless American youth. Seduced by the propaganda and ignorant of the truth.
 
if you sit on your ass like bbond and watch tv all day(while hating america and all it stands for), you get a different outlook at what is going on down here. a lot of good things are happening down here. things are moving at a fast pace. just so much to do. you can never satisfy everyone all the time. good things happening dont make for good tv or good media reporting. so people like bbond watch the 10% bad things, but never know and donot want to know about the 90% good things that are going on in the hurricane area. we have a lot of evacuees in our town. and after talking to them every day, i have found none that hate america or bush as much as whacko bond does.
 
PS Universal healthcare would be a much better way to spend a few hundred billion dollars than unprovoked invasions. Preventive health care is far more cost effective in the long run than keeping forty percent of the population in emergency rooms for treatment of health issues that could be easily controlled before they become critical.

 
FEMA inept update 9-18-2005:


It is 18 days after the storm and FEMA only has 8 Centers set up when they promised 20.

We have a Government that the only thing they are good at is collecting our money and spending on themselves.
 
Originally posted by: slyedog
if you sit on your ass like bbond and watch tv all day(while hating america and all it stands for), you get a different outlook at what is going on down here. a lot of good things are happening down here. things are moving at a fast pace. just so much to do. you can never satisfy everyone all the time. good things happening dont make for good tv or good media reporting. so people like bbond watch the 10% bad things, but never know and donot want to know about the 90% good things that are going on in the hurricane area. we have a lot of evacuees in our town. and after talking to them every day, i have found none that hate america or bush as much as whacko bond does.

You retard, you have no idea what I do all day. I don't hate America, I hate what the people you worship have done to what used to be America. Taking five days to deliver the first bottle of water to the thousands stranded in New Orleans is your idea of fast paced? What's your real name? Mike Brown???

 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
FEMA inept update 9-18-2005:


It is 18 days after the storm and FEMA only has 8 Centers set up when they promised 20.

We have a Government that the only thing they are good at is collecting our money and spending on themselves.

That just can't be! Slyedog told me things are moving at a very fast pace!
 
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