Feinstein and Chambliss introducing bill to preserve NSA abuse

[Kadarin]

Yeah, I'm using the word "abuse" in the thread title; it's my opinion that the rise of a surveillance society here in the US is an abuse of the Constitution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/u...-to-preserve-nsa-phone-surveillance.html?_r=0

Slashdot commentary: http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/09/27/036213/senators-push-to-preserve-nsa-phone-surveillance

I will never vote for Feinstein again.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Why anyone would vote for this corrupt hag in the first place is amazing. I'm sure her apologists will be along shortly though...

 

[BoberFett]

LOL, Democrats. They actually believe their party gives a shit about them.

 

[Kadarin]

Why anyone would vote for this corrupt hag in the first place is amazing. I'm sure her apologists will be along shortly though...

I am ashamed to admit that I've voted for her in the past, mainly because I wanted the Senate to be majority Democrat as a counterpoint to the Republican majority in the House. This is largely because I do NOT like the Republican social agenda.

However, I think the NSA issue trumps all of that.

 

[cyclohexane]

LOL, Democrats. They actually believe their party gives a shit about them.

Chambliss is a republican.

 

[Absolution75]

Feinstein is literally the sum of everything that is wrong about this country.

 

[brycejones]

Chambliss is a republican.

Don't worry someone will be along soon to tell us how he isn't a "real" republican.

 

[TerryMathews]

Don't worry someone will be along soon to tell us how he isn't a "real" republican.

He is a real Republican. She is a real Democrat.

This should be proof to everyone that neither side gives two shits about your rights.

Welcome to 1984.

 

[Kadarin]

He is a real Republican. She is a real Democrat.

This should be proof to everyone that neither side gives two shits about your rights.

Welcome to 1984.

The NSA issue transcends party lines; those who are for this bill will show themselves as Statist/Corporatists, regardless of which political party they identify with.

 

[TerryMathews]

The NSA issue transcends party lines; those who are for this bill will show themselves as Statist/Corporatists, regardless of which political party they identify with.

Your avatar goes especially well with that sentiment.

(The ultimate turncoat.)

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, I'm using the word "abuse" in the thread title; it's my opinion that the rise of a surveillance society here in the US is an abuse of the Constitution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/u...-to-preserve-nsa-phone-surveillance.html?_r=0

Slashdot commentary: http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/09/27/036213/senators-push-to-preserve-nsa-phone-surveillance

I will never vote for Feinstein again.

I wanted to say that I appreciate your admission that your use of the word abuse is your opinion. I think it's rather rare that people don't conflate their personal opinion to an absolute truth. I myself don't have an opinion because I can't know if the abuse we see is worth the benefits of some unknown potentially averted terrorist attack. I guess it's easy to err on the side of freedom prior to being blown to pieces. The capacity to rationally assess risk is not a well known human skill, in my opinion. I do know that the folk who died in 9/11 don't get to have an opinion. Maybe all such matters should have expiration dates and require a majority vote of the people.

 

[hal2kilo]

Why anyone would vote for this corrupt hag in the first place is amazing. I'm sure her apologists will be along shortly though...

Actually, no. I'm tired of her complete disregard for the 4th ammendment.

But, you'd vote for Chambliss?

 

[dank69]

The NSA issue transcends party lines; those who are for this bill will show themselves as Statist/Corporatists, regardless of which political party they identify with.

It does transcend party lines, which is why this issue shouldn't convince anyone to vote against Democrats or Republicans. You are going to get one or the other and both are going to push NSA shit, so you might as well vote for the one that does the least damage with other policies. Meanwhile, persue constructive avenues for changing the NSA policies. I wonder which party is more open-minded to reasonable arguments?

 

[MiniDoom]

It does transcend party lines, which is why this issue shouldn't convince anyone to vote against Democrats or Republicans. You are going to get one or the other and both are going to push NSA shit, so you might as well vote for the one that does the least damage with other policies. Meanwhile, persue constructive avenues for changing the NSA policies. I wonder which party is more open-minded to reasonable arguments?

finally coming around to the Libertarian party, eh?

 

[dank69]

finally coming around to the Libertarian party, eh?

I have always had libertarian leanings, but the Libertarian party is misguided.

 

[MiniDoom]

I have always had libertarian leanings, but the Libertarian party is misguided.

sure, but less than the other two parties. nothing is perfect.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

Why is it evil politicians seem to stay in office until they literally die or are incapacitated by old age. Just look at Kim Jong Il, Castro, Feinstein, etc.

 

[nehalem256]

Don't worry someone will be along soon to tell us how he isn't a "real" republican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxby_Chambliss

Chambliss has a conservative voting record in the Senate, but he has participated in some bipartisan legislation

Does that sound like a "real" Republican to you?

 

[BoberFett]

He is a real Republican. She is a real Democrat.

This should be proof to everyone that neither side gives two shits about your rights.

Welcome to 1984.

This.

 

[BoberFett]

It does transcend party lines, which is why this issue shouldn't convince anyone to vote against Democrats or Republicans. You are going to get one or the other and both are going to push NSA shit, so you might as well vote for the one that does the least damage with other policies. Meanwhile, persue constructive avenues for changing the NSA policies. I wonder which party is more open-minded to reasonable arguments?

You're as much a part of the problem as any Republican. You perpetuate the entrenched interests by voting for what you believe is the lesser evil.

 

[dank69]

You're as much a part of the problem as any Republican. You perpetuate the entrenched interests by voting for what you believe is the lesser evil.

Yes, yes. I'm sure.

 

[dank69]

sure, but less than the other two parties. nothing is perfect.

IMO, economic policies are one of the most important government roles. Libertarian economic policies are every bit as short-sighted as the Republicans'.

 

[Zaap]

^You don't sound like much of a libertarian, you sound like a typical statist.

 

[umbrella39]

LOL, Democrats. They actually believe their party gives a shit about them.

LOL fence sitters... Sitting up on the fence tossing shit at either side while pretending to be recused from any blame or cares. No one takes anyone who has a fence post up their ass seriously...

 

[Zaap]

Why anyone would vote for this corrupt hag in the first place is amazing.

So true. She's the posterchild of Democrat/statist hypocrisy. One of the ultimate fat-cat crony-capitalists that does nothing but abuse her office to enrich herself and her corrupt husband, but that dimbulbs love because she pretends to give a shit about "the little guy". IE: most federal-level Democrats, but she's the worst of all.