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Feds Warn Landlords About Banning Ex-Offenders

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THAT guy
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/n...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Private landlords who have blanket bans on renting to people with criminal records are in violation of the Fair Housing Act and can be sued and face penalties for discrimination, the federal Department of Housing and Urban Development said.

Julián Castro, the HUD secretary, is expected on Monday to announce guidance that details his agency’s interpretation of how the fair housing law applies to policies that exclude people with criminal records, a group that is not explicitly protected by the act but falls under it in certain circumstances. Federal officials said landlords must distinguish between arrests and convictions and cannot use an arrest to ban applicants. In the case of applicants with convictions, property owners must prove that the exclusion is justified and consider factors like the nature and severity of the crime in assessing prospective tenants before excluding someone.

Mr. Castro said housing bans against former offenders were common.

“Right now, many housing providers use the fact of a conviction, any conviction, regardless of what it was for or how long ago it happened, to indefinitely bar folks from housing opportunities,” Mr. Castro said in a statement. “Many people who are coming back to neighborhoods are only looking for a fair chance to be productive members, but blanket policies like this unfairly deny them that chance.”

The new federal housing guidance applies a legal standard that was upheld by the United States Supreme Court last year that allows plaintiffs to challenge housing practices that have a discriminatory effect without having to show discriminatory intent. The ruling allows plaintiffs to show instead that the practices both have a “disparate impact” on racial groups and are not justified. Blacks and Latinos are arrested, convicted and imprisoned in disproportionate numbers, and civil rights groups say they face equally disparate discrimination in finding housing.

Federal housing officials said the guidance was meant to emphasize to landlords that blanket bans are illegal, as well as to inform housing applicants of their rights. Housing officials said they can investigate violations and bring discrimination charges against landlords that could result in civil penalties for them, and damages for a person denied housing.

Lawyers who represent former prisoners said they expected HUD’s stance to lead landlords to revise their screening policies to avoid litigation. The guidance, which is similar to an instruction federal officials already have for public and subsidized housing, could also lead to more and stronger lawsuits against those who continue to deny housing based on criminal history.

“The agency in charge of interpreting the Fair Housing Act agrees with us, and that will have a lot of weight,” said John P. Relman, a lawyer and specialist in housing discrimination cases who is representing the social services group Fortune Society in a federal lawsuit against a rental complex in New York City over screening policies.

Concern over restrictions that hinder former prisoners’ efforts to find jobs and homes has taken on urgency in recent years, as pressure has built to ease the high rates of incarceration that followed decades of tough sentencing for drug offenses, which took a harsh toll on minority communities.

Research shows that obtaining housing reduces recidivism. But groups like Fortune Society said they have encountered landlords who ban tenants with criminal histories without individual reviews or any regard to evidence of rehabilitation or whether the person poses a threat to safety.

Some landlord groups said owners had the right to exercise their own judgment given the liability they face from other tenants if the person commits another crime. Some have partial bans and screen only for certain crimes, such as sex offenses or arson, or allow those who were convicted of misdemeanors but not felonies.

(Landlords can continue to exclude those convicted of manufacturing or distributing drugs, the only crimes that are exempted under the Fair Housing Act.)

In their response to the Fortune Society lawsuit, Sandcastle Towers Housing Development Fund, the owner of a rental complex in Far Rockaway, Queens, with more than 900 units, and other co-defendants argued that the use of criminal records “serves valid business and security functions of protecting tenants and the property from former convicted criminals.” (The lawsuit, filed in 2014, is pending in United States District Court for the Eastern District in Brooklyn.)

“A person who has already demonstrated a disregard for the law, upon penalty of imprisonment, is at greater risk for repeating that conduct, is a greater security risk and is a greater risk of defaulting in making rental payments or in complying with leases,” the defendants said, adding that “convicted criminals lose some of their rights and privileges as a result of their convictions.”

But federal housing officials said that landlords would have to take a more individualized approach to avoid violating the Fair Housing Act, which prohibits discrimination in the sale, rental or financing of housing based on race, national origin and other protected characteristics. Even those with a partial ban must prove that their policy does not discriminate, by showing that it “accurately distinguishes” between criminal conduct that poses a risk to safety and conduct that does not.

“Policies that exclude persons based on criminal history must be tailored to serve the housing provider’s substantial, legitimate, nondiscriminatory interest and take into consideration such factors as the type of the crime and the length of the time since conviction,” the guidance reads.
Some landlord groups said they already advised case-by-case reviews of potential renters.

“We always urge owners not to use a blanket policy and to look at the tenant’s ability to pay rent and be a good tenant,” said Debra Carlton, a spokeswoman with the California Apartment Association, which represents 50,000 rental property owners.

Officials with the Real Estate Board of New York said they would issue their own guidance to members on HUD’s interpretation.

“It would require everyone to revise whatever policies they have,” said Neil Garfinkel, a lawyer who advises brokers for the trade association. “I always advise a holistic approach and to look at the applicant as a whole.”

Read this article this morning and I'm a little angry about this recent development. I am a landlord with several properties and criminal convictions are almost always a red flag in my book when screening potentials.

I dont want to do business with someone like this. I'm pretty damn picky who I get into bed with. I take issue with being forced to rent to someone who might interfere with another good tenant's enjoyment of their own unit. What about the liability I might face from other tenants if the person I'm being forced to consider commits another crime?

A misdemeanor or something stupid done in your college days (probably related to alcohol), I might be able to let slide. But a felony is another ballgame.

I agree with this statement:
“A person who has already demonstrated a disregard for the law, upon penalty of imprisonment, is at greater risk for repeating that conduct, is a greater security risk and is a greater risk of defaulting in making rental payments or in complying with leases,” the defendants said, adding that “convicted criminals lose some of their rights and privileges as a result of their convictions.”

I'm also pissed that this housing practice shows a "disparate impact" on racial groups such as blacks and latinos; who are arrested convicted and imprisoned in higher disproportionate numbers so therefore they face more discrimination in finding housing. What a bunch of race-baiting BS. Whose fault is this that someone chooses to commit a crime, ethnic group aside? This is one step closer towards making felons a protected class.

Should this become law, my other criteria is going to get alot stricter. Higher credit scores, need to see X amount of income etc...
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/n...column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news



Read this article this morning and I'm a little angry about this recent development. I am a landlord with several properties and criminal convictions are almost always a red flag in my book when screening potentials.

I dont want to do business with someone like this. I'm pretty damn picky who I get into bed with. I take issue with being forced to rent to someone who might interfere with another good tenant's enjoyment of their own unit. What about the liability I might face from other tenants if the person I'm being forced to consider commits another crime?

Why would you be held liable for not taking into account something that it is illegal for you to take into account?

A misdemeanor or something stupid done in your college days (probably related to alcohol), I might be able to let slide. But a felony is another ballgame.

I agree with this statement:

I'm also pissed that this housing practice shows a "disparate impact" on racial groups such as blacks and latinos; who are arrested convicted and imprisoned in higher disproportionate numbers so therefore they face more discrimination in finding housing. What a bunch of race-baiting BS. Whose fault is this that someone chooses to commit a crime, ethnic group aside? This is one step closer towards making felons a protected class.

Should this become law, my other criteria is going to get alot stricter. Higher credit scores, need to see X amount of income etc...

Black and hispanic people use drugs at approximately equal rates to white people, yet they are arrested and incarcerated at hugely higher rates. So now not only are they being arrested more often but they are being denied housing afterwards?

If someone commits a crime should their punishment include permanent exclusion from good housing in addition to their sentence? Should the government then provide housing for them? Since they can't get good or affordable housing, that almost certainly increases their recidivism rate.

So serious question: If you're down for excluding ex-felons from housing at will, what's your answer?
 
blacks and latinos; who are arrested convicted and imprisoned in higher disproportionate numbers so therefore they face more discrimination in finding housing. What a bunch of race-baiting BS.

there's nothing race-baiting about discrimination.

both black and white Americans use marijuana at about the same percentage of their respective populations but far more blacks are arrested and serving time for such offenses.

that isn't race-baiting, it is racism and discrimination. unfortunately you are helping spread that disease.
 
there's nothing race-baiting about discrimination.

both black and white Americans use marijuana at about the same percentage of their respective populations but far more blacks are arrested and serving time for such offenses.

that isn't race-baiting, it is racism and discrimination. unfortunately you are helping spread that disease.

Racism isn't arresting certain races at higher rates, real racism is letting other people know that it's happening.
 
I dont care what color you are when you come and apply to rent from me. I care about the following when screening a potential:

-present well and act professionally
-meet my income requirements
-no black marks regarding felonies, evictions etc...

To stay in my unit for duration of the lease and to earn a renewal:

-pay rent on time
-dont break the lease's terms
-dont be a pain in my ass

There are plenty of blacks/latinos/etc... who meet these criteria so cmon, lets dispense with the racist acusations. I want to run a business successfully here and not get into bed with felons.
 
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You are a bigot. You could just as easily say you don't want to rent to blacks. We make laws to protect the rights of felons because of bigots like you. A felon has paid his or her debt. You want to extract more suffering. If your concern is your bigotry, don't rent.

The only answer that I can see, therefore, would be to bribe a rental agency person to send only the cream of applicants because stereotyping people by criminal conviction is a form of bigotry I can't avoid having. You probably also have to rent to child molesters. Not gonna happen.
 
I dont care what color you are when you come and apply to rent from me. I care about the following when screning a potential:

-present well and act professionally
-meet my income requirements
-no black marks regarding felonies, evictions etc...

To stay in my unit for duration of the lease and to earn a renewal:

-pay rent on time
-dont break the lease's terms
-dont be a pain in my ass

There are plenty of blacks/latinos/etc... who met these criteria so cmon, lets dispense with the racist acusations. I want to run a business successfully here and not get into bed with felons.

No one is saying you personally are a racist, but our criminal justice system most certainly is. Characterizing people who mention this disparity as being race baiters is every bit as bad as people calling you a racist for saying you don't want to rent to felons.
 
You are a bigot. You could just as easily say you don't want to rent to blacks. We make laws to protect the rights of felons because of bigots like you. A felon has paid his or her debt. You want to extract more suffering. If your concern is your bigotry, don't rent.

The only answer that I can see, therefore, would be to bribe a rental agency person to send only the cream of applicants because stereotyping people by criminal conviction is a form of bigotry I can't avoid having. You probably also have to rent to child molesters. Not gonna happen.

You forgot about latinos 🙄
 
adding that “convicted criminals lose some of their rights and privileges as a result of their convictions.”

Namely the ability to provide for themselves and go legit. :hmm:
 
Why would you be held liable for not taking into account something that it is illegal for you to take into account?



Black and hispanic people use drugs at approximately equal rates to white people, yet they are arrested and incarcerated at hugely higher rates. So now not only are they being arrested more often but they are being denied housing afterwards?

If someone commits a crime should their punishment include permanent exclusion from good housing in addition to their sentence? Should the government then provide housing for them? Since they can't get good or affordable housing, that almost certainly increases their recidivism rate.

So serious question: If you're down for excluding ex-felons from housing at will, what's your answer?

At a minimum a prison system that practices effective reform and a gov funded incentive of sufficient value to insure enough renters will rent to them. The notion that you can't pick the kind of people you want to live in your property, especially if you are a small scale renter, is just too hard for normal people to take, in my opinion.
 
So serious question: If you're down for excluding ex-felons from housing at will, what's your answer?

I'm sure there are other landlords who will rent to them. This is making felons a protected class, something that resulted from a personal choice on their part. Its not like skin color; you cant choose what you look like. There is a big difference in being born black and choosing to be a felon to make an example. I dont think govt should force me to rent to one.
 
I'm sure there are other landlords who will rent to them.

So we should make our laws based on the idea that there's got to be someone, somewhere who will resolve this issue for us? That's not very compelling, to say the least.

This is making felons a protected class, something that resulted from a personal choice on their part. Its not like skin color; you cant choose what you look like. There is a big difference in being born black and choosing to be a felon to make an example. I dont think govt should force me to rent to one.

No, this is just making a prior felony a reason why you can't deny someone housing. That's much less than making them a protected class. As I already mentioned, choosing to be a felon and being black are more closely associated than you might think. If blacks and whites commit drug crimes at equal rates but blacks are arrested and convicted at far higher rates then yes, considerable amounts of them are felons because of their skin color.
 
The disparate impact thing is a bunch of BS but something that has to be dealt with regardless (I work in mortgages and we have to deal with this on a continuous basis). I'm less critical on outlawing the ban of offenders because at the end of the day these people need housing (and jobs) so we either rehab them back into society or we might as well throw away the keys when we locked people up if there is no chance for them in the outside world when they get out.

I do understand your frustration as a landlord though, and I do think that you should have the final say so on vetting tenants for your property without any government intervention (it's your property not theirs after all).
 
I dont care what color you are when you come and apply to rent from me. I care about the following when screening a potential:

-present well and act professionally
-meet my income requirements
-no black marks regarding felonies, evictions etc...

To stay in my unit for duration of the lease and to earn a renewal:

-pay rent on time
-dont break the lease's terms
-dont be a pain in my ass

There are plenty of blacks/latinos/etc... who meet these criteria so cmon, lets dispense with the racist acusations. I want to run a business successfully here and not get into bed with felons.

I'm sure there are plenty of ex-offenders who meet all those requirements save one.
 
There are plenty of blacks/latinos/etc... who meet these criteria so cmon, lets dispense with the racist acusations. I want to run a business successfully here and not get into bed with felons.

no one called you a racist, however, you were the person who incorrectly used the term "race-baiting BS" to begin with.

imo, if you throw out the term "race-baiting" incorrectly, then yes, you are part of the racism problem.
 
So we should make our laws based on the idea that there's got to be someone, somewhere who will resolve this issue for us? That's not very compelling, to say the least.



No, this is just making a prior felony a reason why you can't deny someone housing. That's much less than making them a protected class. As I already mentioned, choosing to be a felon and being black are more closely associated than you might think. If blacks and whites commit drug crimes at equal rates but blacks are arrested and convicted at far higher rates then yes, considerable amounts of them are felons because of their skin color.

If I were a landlord, it would be logical to do business with people who have a criminal background vs someone without because the odds are that the person who does not have a criminal background is more likely to not be as bad as the person with the background. The landlord should not carry the burden of trying to fix the issue of courts being too harsh.

This seems like an example of the state doing a shit job, and then expecting the private sector to clean up its mess. I'm all for equal punishment, but I think that should be an issue for the state to clean up, not landlords.
 
Good. Hopefully this is one more small step to reforming how we treat criminals in this country. OP a blanket ban is dumb anyway. Should you really ban someone who has been out for 10 years and has a good record since then just because of their previous offense?

This just calls into question blanket bans and doesn't automatically force you to rent to them.
 
If I were a landlord, it would be logical to do business with people who have a criminal background vs someone without because the odds are that the person who does not have a criminal background is more likely to not be as bad as the person with the background. The landlord should not carry the burden of trying to fix the issue of courts being too harsh.

This seems like an example of the state doing a shit job, and then expecting the private sector to clean up its mess. I'm all for equal punishment, but I think that should be an issue for the state to clean up, not landlords.

Doesn't seem like that at all. Someone denied a chance at good and/or affordable housing is very likely to have a higher recidivism rate, no? It is logical for landlords to avoid people with a criminal background, right? Therefore, individual logical actions likely lead to additional crimes being committed. That's bad. Sounds like the perfect time to utilize state power.

The fact that other races are disproportionately criminalized is an entirely separate issue from this fundamental problem. The racism present in our criminal justice system is indeed a mark of the state failing, but this is actually a case of the feds stepping in to clean up the individual states' mess. (states incarcerate the overwhelming majority of prisoners in the US) In this case greater centralized power is providing yet another benefit, to roll back some of the fuckery of more local government.
 
The disparate impact thing is a bunch of BS but something that has to be dealt with regardless (I work in mortgages and we have to deal with this on a continuous basis). I'm less critical on outlawing the ban of offenders because at the end of the day these people need housing (and jobs) so we either rehab them back into society or we might as well throw away the keys when we locked people up if there is no chance for them in the outside world when they get out.

I do understand your frustration as a landlord though, and I do think that you should have the final say so on vetting tenants for your property without any government intervention (it's your property not theirs after all).

Do you think he should be able to say that no black people can rent from him, that no Jews can rent from him, etc?
 
If I were a landlord, it would be logical to do business with people who have a criminal background vs someone without because the odds are that the person who does not have a criminal background is more likely to not be as bad as the person with the background. The landlord should not carry the burden of trying to fix the issue of courts being too harsh.

This seems like an example of the state doing a shit job, and then expecting the private sector to clean up its mess. I'm all for equal punishment, but I think that should be an issue for the state to clean up, not landlords.

How does the state clean it up? Expunge records for non-violent offenders?
 
So we should make our laws based on the idea that there's got to be someone, somewhere who will resolve this issue for us? That's not very compelling, to say the least.

I can understand your point when it comes to things we have no control over. Such as sex, race, age etc... discrimination. But Im about to be forced to make accommodations for a personal choice taken that resulted in the felon. We make more allowances & excuses in this country for felons and the people that care enough to keep themselves on a straight path are the ones forced to endure this. I see this as intrusive and dictating that I must do business with people who are statisticaly poor business prospects. A problem tenant is nothing to be taken lightly and can case tremendous loss for a landlord.

No, this is just making a prior felony a reason why you can't deny someone housing. That's much less than making them a protected class. As I already mentioned, choosing to be a felon and being black are more closely associated than you might think. If blacks and whites commit drug crimes at equal rates but blacks are arrested and convicted at far higher rates then yes, considerable amounts of them are felons because of their skin color.

Protected class (as far as anti-discrimination law is concerned) is a characteristic of a person which cannot be targeted for discrimination. I beleive this does in fact fit the definition that felonies will be a protected class.
 
I can understand your point when it comes to things we have no control over. Such as sex, race, age etc... discrimination. But Im about to be forced to make accommodations for a personal choice taken that resulted in the felon. We make more allowances & excuses in this country for felons and the people that care enough to keep themselves on a straight path are the ones forced to endure this. I see this as intrusive and dictating that I must do business with people who are statisticaly poor business prospects. A problem tenant is nothing to be taken lightly and can case tremendous loss for a landlord.

Yes, a problem tenant can be a big problem for a landlord, but I'm actually not terribly convinced that a prior criminal record makes someone that poor a business prospect if they meet your other requirements of income, rental history, etc. I'd be interested to see what data is available once you control for those. Regardless, the law doesn't prevent you from excluding someone with a conviction, it just requires that you take its severity into account. That seems very reasonable.

All that aside, it's a larger societal problem. What's the answer? If it isn't to prevent discrimination in housing based on this then what? Huge state and federal permanent dormitories for ex offenders? What?

Protected class (as far as anti-discrimination law is concerned) is a characteristic of a person which cannot be targeted for discrimination. I beleive this does in fact fit the definition that felonies will be a protected class.

I guess what I mean is that they are a protected class in one very specific area but not a protected class more broadly.
 
Good. Hopefully this is one more small step to reforming how we treat criminals in this country. OP a blanket ban is dumb anyway. Should you really ban someone who has been out for 10 years and has a good record since then just because of their previous offense?

It all depends on the felony to be honest. But I want the final say to be with the landlord. I cant think of 10+ crimes of the top of my head I dont want in my tenants.

This just calls into question blanket bans and doesn't automatically force you to rent to them.

The understanding I got from the article is that if this idea sticks, past felonies cannot be used to deny a potential tenant. Which can open me up to litigation. So I'd have to use other legal reasons to deny a potential.
 
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