Feds sue Sherrif Joe, claim Racial profiling

[dahunan]

Clearly this administration may have already confirmed its place as the worst in the history of the United States.

yep.. look at all the cash this admin has stolen to go to war BOTH of which are basically giant failures except for those who PROFITED monetarily
look at the failures of the banking industry that was allllll done under what admin?

^^ list is huge but those are just a couple I am sure you enjoy..

 

[Throckmorton]

If they don't tell him what they want, how is he supposed to give it to them?

The documents aren't specified in this lawsuit over him not giving them the documents, that doesn't mean they weren't specified in the requests that they are suing over.

 

[blackangst1]

The documents aren't specified in this lawsuit over him not giving them the documents, that doesn't mean they weren't specified in the requests that they are suing over.

But, they werent. If you read the earlier posted info, Maricopa County has handed over thousands opf pages of documents already, and the Justice Dept says "Nope, we dont want these...got more?"

Its a fishing expedition.

 

[BoomerD]

The documents aren't specified in this lawsuit over him not giving them the documents, that doesn't mean they weren't specified in the requests that they are suing over.

"Arpaio said he provided "hundreds of thousands" of reports but hasn't turned over others because the department's request was too broad."

Sounds like they need to be more specific about what they want...

 

[Throckmorton]

"Arpaio said he provided "hundreds of thousands" of reports but hasn't turned over others because the department's request was too broad."

Sounds like they need to be more specific about what they want...

Sounds like he just needs to give them all the documents that fall within the broad request. What, is he out of CDROMs?

 

[manimal]

Sounds like he just needs to give them all the documents that fall within the broad request. What, is he out of CDROMs?

his internets are full of tubes... and their clogged right now..

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sounds like he just needs to give them all the documents that fall within the broad request. What, is he out of CDROMs?

You aren't from the US are you? I mean originally?

Here we have laws which the government must abide by when it issues what is effectively a warrant. Our government cannot get a warrant to search for "whatever". We have restraints to protect people we like, and yes, those we do not.

Tell me, if the government wanted to examine everything about you in order to find something for which you could be punished, would you send "everything"?

You would be quite foolish if you did.

Nevertheless, the Feds have the obligation (not if they want) to specify what documents are to be surrendered. That's a core principle of our law.

 

[Infohawk]

You believe "illegal immigrants are bad" some of us believe "the laws that make it hard for people to immigrate legally" are bad.

It sounds like you think it should be legal for as many people as possible to immigrate here. In other words, no limits at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Throckmorton]

You aren't from the US are you? I mean originally?

Here we have laws which the government must abide by when it issues what is effectively a warrant. Our government cannot get a warrant to search for "whatever". We have restraints to protect people we like, and yes, those we do not.

Tell me, if the government wanted to examine everything about you in order to find something for which you could be punished, would you send "everything"?

You would be quite foolish if you did.

Nevertheless, the Feds have the obligation (not if they want) to specify what documents are to be surrendered. That's a core principle of our law.

Are you being serious?


The Justice Department asked for documents for their investigation, he supplied some but claims he didn't supply others because the DOJ "haven't said exactly what they were investigating", not because they didn't have the right.

Now they're suing him for the documents.

So I still want to know. What is he hiding that makes him refuse to turn over doc

 

[Lanyap]

The Feds never went after Sheriff Harry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lee_(sheriff)


But, we was loved:

Political party Democratic Party

I remember Lee from when I lived in Jefferson Parish until 1993. I don't remember an issue with race but it did seem everyone liked him. They kept re-electing him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Are you being serious?


The Justice Department asked for documents for their investigation, he supplied some but claims he didn't supply others because the DOJ "haven't said exactly what they were investigating", not because they didn't have the right.

Now they're suing him for the documents.

So I still want to know. What is he hiding that makes him refuse to turn over doc

I'd refuse such a request and I have nothing to hide. The Feds can go fuck themselves unless they have a legitimate order properly prepared.

You intentionally miss the point. The Feds have limitations on what they can ask for, and if they believe that there is something going on they can ask for a warrant and seize papers. Of course they had better be damn sure that what they list on the warrant is there otherwise Joe can sue them. Since the Feds are out to hang him, he's not obligated to stick his head in the noose.

If you were suspected of a crime and your attorney said, "Hey just give them whatever they ask for it's no big deal" you had better fire him and get another.

 

[Throckmorton]

I'd refuse such a request and I have nothing to hide. The Feds can go fuck themselves unless they have a legitimate order properly prepared.

You intentionally miss the point. The Feds have limitations on what they can ask for, and if they believe that there is something going on they can ask for a warrant and seize papers. Of course they had better be damn sure that what they list on the warrant is there otherwise Joe can sue them. Since the Feds are out to hang him, he's not obligated to stick his head in the noose.

If you were suspected of a crime and your attorney said, "Hey just give them whatever they ask for it's no big deal" you had better fire him and get another.

This is a police department, not a private citizen. I'd expect them to cooperate fully with an investigation.

BTW, it's just the sheriff claiming that the request was too broad. Is there any real reason to believe what they asked for wasn't included in the warrant?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This is a police department, not a private citizen. I'd expect them to cooperate fully with an investigation.

BTW, it's just the sheriff claiming that the request was too broad. Is there any real reason to believe what they asked for wasn't included in the warrant?

For the first part, this is about getting at the Sheriff. Considering that the Feds pretty much told AZ and everyone in it that they can screw off, those involved are returning the favor. No one is going to help the Feds screw them some more.

Second, the article referred the request by the government IRRC. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Double Trouble]

What does that have to do with him not giving them the documents in the first place?

They have yet to specify what exactly they want. They're on a fishing expedition because he's making them look bad by actually doing what they say can't be done (enforce the law). They probably requested a huge broad swath of documents on their fishing expedition, and he correctly told them they need to specify what exactly they want before he'd provide it.

 

[Double Trouble]

This is a police department, not a private citizen. I'd expect them to cooperate fully with an investigation.

Cooperate does not mean indiscriminately hand over whatever they want. Private citizen or police department, there are procedures to follow. Why would he bend the rules to accommodate those who are hell-bent on destroying anyone who actually wants to enforce the law?

 

[Siddhartha]

Is racial profiling against the law?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Uh, what about social services you require? Medical care? Education? Etc? Who pays for that? Oh yeah, the taxpayer. In other words, by coming here illegally you've created a victim, you stole money from all the taxpayers.

Agree, that's why we need reform. No more under the counter cash jobs, if you come here, you work and pay taxes like everyone else. As far as health care goes, their jobs should offer health care benefits.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Is racial profiling against the law?

Not if your half-black and you are ordering it in Democrat states.

 

[BurnItDwn]

It sounds like you think it should be legal for as many people as possible to immigrate here. In other words, no limits at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Pretty much as long as we've got room, we should allow people a shot at bettering themselves.

 

[BoomerD]

Pretty much as long as we've got room, we should allow people a shot at bettering themselves.

Then we should have stopped all immigration decades ago.

The USA shouldn't look at the population density of India as a role model. We don't need millions and millions of "new" unskilled laborer immigrants every year. We have the right (and responsibility) to be VERY picky about who we let into the country. We should only be letting in those who bring the kind of skills, training, and education that we need but don't already have in sufficient quantities.
That list of "needful things" can (and should) change as needed.
It's time fot the USA to stand up and say, "Enough is enough."
We can't continually keep taking all the surplus peoples from the rest of the world without causing problems here.

 

[werepossum]

*Claps*

I work in bill collections. There are plenty of "Maria's" with no SS# that never pay a cent to their medical bills. Who gets to pay for it? *looks around* They don't, that's for sure. We score these accounts, and Maria is at the bottom of the list. Our company doesn't even attempt to dial these people, as it's a waste of time and resources.

Anybody who defends illegal immigration is an enemy of the state in my opinion.

Agree totally, and very well put.

I don't disagree with you, but do you consider legal citizens that utilize those same services without "paying for them" stealing?

Of course - but the solution to a group of thieves is seldom a flood of new thieves.

Sorry - the solution to a group of thieves is NEVER a flood of new thieves.

 

[OCGuy]

Pretty much as long as we've got room, we should allow people a shot at bettering themselves.

Your understanding of resources is poor.

 

[nobodyknows]

He's being sued because he's refusing to hand over documents for the discrimination investigation. What is he hiding?

Look at all the buffoons falling for the misleading thread title.

LOL, you sound exactly like Glen Beck. Should he submit to an anal cavity search too? He might be hiding something up there!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LOL, you sound exactly like Glen Beck. Should he submit to an anal cavity search too? He might be hiding something up there!!

I think Beck should submit to such a search, but merely for my amusement

 

[Munky]

You believe "illegal immigrants are bad" some of us believe "the laws that make it hard for people to immigrate legally" are bad. They are going to climb walls, swim across rivers, wait in queues, pay money, or do absolutely everything and anything they can to come into the USA. If we make it harder to get in, sure, a smaller number might succeed, but, it isn't going to solve anything. The only solution to illegal immigration is for Mexico to get it's shit straight, and for the quality of life in Mexico to rise. That is the only total solution.

Illegals aren't "invading", they are coming because they want to have a shot at the American dream. If we treat them like criminals, they'll act like criminals. But, I'll tell you this, if I lived in that shithole across the border, I'd do whatever it took to make it north. And I suspect 99% of everybody who things illegal immigration is a problem would also do the same....

This country needs major immigration reform. The statue of liberty says "Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." In doesn't say "fuck you if you aren't American." The message of America is one of majestic greatness, not of elitist greed.

Enough with the lefty emotional propaganda. That they were born in a shithole known as Mexico is not our problem, we owe nothing to them. If they can't manage to come here legally, that's not our problem either. The govt has a responsibility to protect this country from outsiders, and instead it's doing the complete opposite.