Fedora Core 4 as good as Ubuntu?

[minofifa]

Hey

well since i just cannot get gnopernicus working with ubuntu, i'm thinking of going backto Fedora Core 4. I'm wondering if Ubuntu is just an all around better distro than Fedora Core, or if there are Fedora users that like it better than Ubuntu. Are there any features of Fedora tha tpeople like more than Ubuntu? How about yum compared to apt-get? I lkindof like apt-get in Ubuntu, is using yum just as simple?

 

[sourceninja]

I'm not a rpm fan. Personally that is what keeps me from recomending fedora to users. I find RPM based systems easy to mess up. Although if you are going to take a serious look at fedora you might also look at suse. They have resently released suse for free www.opensuse.org and yast is very easy for new users to grasp.

 

[minofifa]

what is it about rpm that you don't like? are rpm's basically a way of managing packages (eg with yum, synaptic)? What does Ubuntu use as an equivalent to rpm's and why is it better? Thanks

 

[sourceninja]

My main problem with rpm's is they lack good dependancy resolution. Suse, Fedora and the like all use rpms. Ubuntu uses deb files. They are managed with apt and have much better dependancy resolution. Yum has been making some inroads in solving a lot of the problems I have with rpm. But I still find that packages can get lost and the system can get hosed, or I have to go on a hunt to find a missing rpm to install another rpm. And every now and then I still get circular dependancy issues. I feel that at the pace fedora is going with yum, this wont be much of an issue in a few years. But as of right now I am still not all that sure about using rpms.

it comes down to depndancy resolution and database stabilty. I think debian does it a little better atm.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
My main problem with rpm's is they lack good dependancy resolution. Suse, Fedora and the like all use rpms. Ubuntu uses deb files. They are managed with apt and have much better dependancy resolution. Yum has been making some inroads in solving a lot of the problems I have with rpm. But I still find that packages can get lost and the system can get hosed, or I have to go on a hunt to find a missing rpm to install another rpm. And every now and then I still get circular dependancy issues. I feel that at the pace fedora is going with yum, this wont be much of an issue in a few years. But as of right now I am still not all that sure about using rpms.

it comes down to depndancy resolution and database stabilty. I think debian does it a little better atm.

I like Fedora Core hands down, mainly because I'm a server admin, and I like to be able to set up a minimalist system with only the minimal packages installed and running for whatever it is serving. I don't remember ever trying Ubuntu, but I have tried Kubuntu and did not think it was anything better than doing a "desktop" installation of Fedora Core.

 

[Tormentor]

I've never used ubuntu linux, but you say it uses "apt-get"? Then my question is... Ist ubuntu running the base kernel of debian? cause it works with debian packages?

 

[minofifa]

yes i believe ubuntu is related qute closely to debien

 

[WobbleWobble]

There's an apt-port for Fedora

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: minofifa
yes i believe ubuntu is related qute closely to debien

Ubuntu is BASICALLY (I say basically because I know there is a little more to it, but basically) Debian with a modified set of default packages.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: WobbleWobble
There's an apt-port for Fedora

But why? I have no problems with yum.

 

[minofifa]

what is apt-port?

also if i watned to go the GUI route, does synaptic work with fedora 4 and rpm's? or should i be using yumex?

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: minofifa
what is apt-port?

also if i watned to go the GUI route, does synaptic work with fedora 4 and rpm's? or should i be using yumex?

I've had nothing but problems with yumex. Yum is super easy to use from the command line anyway. I THINK in order to use synaptic, you must install apt. Oh, what he meant by apt-port is that there is a port of apt that can be installed on Fedora Core.

 

[WobbleWobble]

Sorry, I meant a Fedora port of apt-get. And yes, Synaptic does work in Fedora once apt is installed, since Synaptic is just the GUI layer.

Personally, I prefer apt/synaptic.

 

[minofifa]

yeah, i don't really have a problem with the command line version (yum), but i like the GUI version because it shows me all of the available packages. For example i found some cool apps and games just by browsing synaptic. I never would've found them with yum.

 

[M00T]

Go ahead, use Fedora. We don't care. But you'll come back to ubuntu after you run into RPM HELL!

 

[doornail]

I have a huge amount of respect for Ubuntu and what Mark Shuttleworth is doing. I was listening to a LUGradio show where they interviewed him and one of the guys on the show was talking about how he complained to an Ubuntu developers about some hardware on his laptop was supported. The dev said, "submit is as a bug report" and a week later it was in.

Having said that, I still prefer Fedora because with one DVD I can create a server, a desktop, a workstation, a barebones firewall, etc. For me, yum has taken the hell out of rpm-hell. Package management has gotten WAY better in the last couple years.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: doornail
I have a huge amount of respect for Ubuntu and what Mark Shuttleworth is doing. I was listening to a LUGradio show where they interviewed him and one of the guys on the show was talking about how he complained to an Ubuntu developers about some hardware on his laptop was supported. The dev said, "submit is as a bug report" and a week later it was in.

Having said that, I still prefer Fedora because with one DVD I can create a server, a desktop, a workstation, a barebones firewall, etc. For me, yum has taken the hell out of rpm-hell. Package management has gotten WAY better in the last couple years.

I couldn't agree more. Cast your vote here.

 

[nweaver]

I don't like FC/RH because the move all the crap around. /etc/conf.d to configure stuff, /etc/init.d/ to start and stop services. I've also gotten lost ing RPMland.


The thing I like about a net install (not doable with either) is that you end up with an already updated system. I can build Gentoo with a single reboot and have the latest of everything. Same thing with net install of BSD and Debian and many others.

 

[The Linuxator]

Fedora Core 4 hands down is a great OS, I have tried Ubuntu before , I have to say it wasn't bad at all but Fedora Core 4 is more to my liking. IMHO it's
very neat and the installation process is very organised in contrary to Ubuntu & debian, In fedora the easiness of the setup process allows me to graphically select what type of system am I planing to install and what specefic applications I don't want to install.
Fedora Core 4 for me is the future of Linux and I can feel it garnering a huge user base but still according to distrowatch it's # 3 behind mandriva and Ubuntu and here on Anandtech I see users in everytime there is a poll divided evenly between Fedora Core and Ubuntu.

PS: I remeber noticing once on a website that you can install Apt on Fedora Core that way you can use it instead of Yum , but to be onest I rarely face an app in yum that requires alot of libraries and dependencies , example : Mplayer other than that no problems.

 

[Nothinman]

Gnopernicus is in Debian so it's probably in Ubuntu too, did you enable the universe and multiverse repositories?

 

[minofifa]

well that is just plain odd..

could not get gnopernics working in ubuntu no matter what i tried, but it works in Fedora Core 4 right after the install... bizarre.

anyways, i'm likin FC4, it is pretty cool. I added synaptic to system but there are no repositories for it. where do i find the uRL's and other info needed to add the FC4 repositories to synaptic? I have apt installed.

 

[pcthuglife]

It sounds like a lot of the Fedora fans are Sys Admins. If I'm going to run a server then I'm going to use CentOS not Fedora or Ubuntu.

RPMs and YUM are nice but IMO they don't touch the Synaptic Package Manager.

Synaptic - Select package to install, click Ok to dependency resolution.
Fedora - rpm -i --force --nodeps and pray it works.

 

[Nothinman]

Not that I like FC, but if you're using nodeps with RPMs you're doing something wrong.

 

[pcthuglife]

Sometimes I'd rather use --nodeps and keep my fingers crossed then try to hunt down all of the dependencies on rpmfind.net

 

[Nothinman]

Right, that's smart. Force it in and hope it works instead of just making sure you have all of the right software installed in the first place.