Federal tax cheats... no, I am not talking about Tim Geithner this time

[rudder]

http://article.nationalreview.com/427558/tiny-tims/kevin-williamson

Nearly 100,000 federal employees are behind on their taxes. It is bad enough now that federal salaries are now better in many cases than the private sector (+ sweet benefits packages ~$9,800 for private sector and ~40K for government employees).

1 billion dollars owed.... 3 billion if you include federal pension recipients and military personnel. Although I do cut military people some slack if they can't get to their taxes while dodging IED's.

President Obama, who in January called for legislation that would prevent the hiring of, and enable the firing of, private-sector contractors with tax delinquencies

What is good for the goose...

 

[highland145]

Love how Dems balked at adding fed employees to the legislation. Repubs would do the same if it affected their base. All about politics. F-n puds.

Rudder: We must look at the same news sites.

 

[Vette73]

Sorry to bust your BS up, but federal salaries on average are still much lowwer then private salaries. I took a pay cut when I got my Fed job.

When I hire someone from the private field we usually have to offer them what called superior quals to get them. I.e. the job is a GS13-1 level but that is around $25k LESS than what they make in the private sector. So we have to do SQ at a 13-7 or so.

Most Fed jobs now require college education and/or a lot of exp. We have contracted out a lot of lowwer end jobs. Many reason why you rarley hear of someone working as a GS-1 or 2 level anymore.

And you can't fire someone for oweing taxs if their job agreement does not state that and/or interfers with their job. Now with contractors you can always update the contract when it re-news and add that. So what Obama asked is much easier to do and could be done quickly and very easy. To do it with Career status Fed employees it will be harder and more time consuming.

 

[highland145]

Sorry to bust your BS up, but federal salaries on average are still much lowwer then private salaries. I took a pay cut when I got my Fed job.

When I hire someone from the private field we usually have to offer them what called superior quals to get them. I.e. the job is a GS13-1 level but that is around $25k LESS than what they make in the private sector. So we have to do SQ at a 13-7 or so.


And you can't fire someone for oweing taxs if their job agreement does not state that and/or interfers with their job. Now with contractors you can always update the contract when it re-news and add that. So what Obama asked is much easier to do and could be done quickly and very easy. To do it with Career status Fed employees it will be harder and more time consuming.

BS?http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-04-09-compensation_N.htm

I understand it would be harder to implement but the IRS should be nailing some asses to the wall. They would mine. I get past due notices when I pay my monthly taxes early.

 

[rudder]

Sorry to bust your BS up, but federal salaries on average are still much lowwer then private salaries. I took a pay cut when I got my Fed job.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/08/24/federal-pay-continues-rapid-ascent/

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/08/31/wall-street-big-oil-and-federal-workers/

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/06/federal-pay-surpasses-private-sector/

We are not comparing burger flippers to skilled jobs.

 

[Genx87]

BS?http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-04-09-compensation_N.htm

I understand it would be harder to implement but the IRS should be nailing some asses to the wall. They would mine. I get past due notices when I pay my monthly taxes early.

Govt bubble. Wonder when it will burst?

 

[PokerGuy]

BS?http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2009-04-09-compensation_N.htm

I understand it would be harder to implement but the IRS should be nailing some asses to the wall. They would mine. I get past due notices when I pay my monthly taxes early.

Marlin=pwned.

 

[highland145]

Marlin=pwned.

To give some credit, the local and state govts have contracted out all their unskilled jobs so that boosts the average pay.

 

[Vette73]

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/08/24/federal-pay-continues-rapid-ascent/

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/08/31/wall-street-big-oil-and-federal-workers/

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/06/federal-pay-surpasses-private-sector/

We are not comparing burger flippers to skilled jobs.

So you link to some right wing groups that did not seem to be worried about this when Bush and Republicans were in charge?


And if you read their data you would know that they did not compare apples to apples. They took ALL people and averaged them out. You think the person flipping burgers at McDonalds in DC makes the same as someone in Middle texas?
Most Gov jobs are in larger cities, i.e. higher cost of living and higher pay. As such pay is higher. You can't average a Gov worker in DC or SF and then compare them to someone in Detroit with the same title.
Let alone many get their pay due to working the same job for a long time. One of the problems we have are people leaving and not being able to backfill with someone with the saem exp as them. Of course if you want to move up its a good time for Fed employees.

I do HR work for the fed gov so I make job offers to many in the private sector and we get turned down a LOT! We also lose a lot of Fed people to contractor companies that can pay a lot more.

But I know you are just a P&N troll so no fact will turn you away from the idiot talking points you believe blindly.

 

[rudder]

So you link to some right wing groups that did not seem to be worried about this when Bush and Republicans were in charge?

oooh the troll card has been played. But anyway the thread is about a crap load of Federal workers who are late on their taxes.

Sure Federal salaries were creeping up under Bush... but then again Bush did not have a $220 billion deficit (that is for February 2010 btw).

lol at the troll card. I suppose every group right of Patty Murray (who knocked obama off the most liberal senator list) is a right-wing extremist. I get that, but numbers are numbers. Someday will we will paying a 50% pension to all these employees.

Anyway here you go...
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/SelectTable.asp?Selected=N#S6

 

[Vette73]

oooh the troll card has been played. But anyway the thread is about a crap load of Federal workers who are late on their taxes.

Sure Federal salaries were creeping up under Bush... but then again Bush did not have a $220 billion deficit (that is for February 2010 btw).

lol at the troll card. I suppose every group right of Patty Murray (who knocked obama off the most liberal senator list) is a right-wing extremist. I get that, but numbers are numbers. Someday will we will paying a 50% pension to all these employees.

Anyway here you go...
http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/SelectTable.asp?Selected=N#S6

So your answer is to change the subject, thanks for proving my last post. Troll.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If Fed employees are behind on their taxes it means a couple of things.

1) They are gaming the system by increasing their withholdings and not paying what is owed on time.

2) They have other sources of income that they have not paid taxes on.

3) A combination of the above.

They may not be able to be fired; but they can be demoted.

However, the IRS is not supposed to act as an enforcement arm other than to collect taxes.

 

[highland145]

However, the IRS is not supposed to act as an enforcement arm other than to collect taxes.

Time to do some enforcement.

 

[Vette73]

If Fed employees are behind on their taxes it means a couple of things.

1) They are gaming the system by increasing their withholdings and not paying what is owed on time.

2) They have other sources of income that they have not paid taxes on.

3) A combination of the above.

They may not be able to be fired; but they can be demoted.

However, the IRS is not supposed to act as an enforcement arm other than to collect taxes.

Can you be demoted if you don't pay taxs? Unless it is in a persons job requirments then it can't, for the most part, be used against them.

I am not trying to protect or even side with people that don;t pay, but from a Fed Gov and HR point, its not as easy as people want it to be.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Demoting in terms of paygrade - not easily.

Transfer to a position , yes.

Eliminate their position - yes

 

[dainthomas]

I love it when people whine about how great federal jobs are. If they're so great, then make sure your education and experience are high enough to get one. It's just like the threads where people complain about oil companies making too much money. Instead of whining just go buy some stock and get in on the action.

 

[bfdd]

Marlin, you honestly don't believe any of the links that show federal average salary is on par or better than the private sector? I thought that was pretty much public knowledge by now. This is retarded. I owe like just shy of 1500 dollars this year in taxes, if I don't pay it I'd be screwed, these guys are pretty much getting a free pass? weak.

 

[highland145]

I love it when people whine about how great federal jobs are. If they're so great, then make sure your education and experience are high enough to get one. It's just like the threads where people complain about oil companies making too much money. Instead of whining just go buy some stock and get in on the action.

I think we were whining that they work for the fed and haven't paid their taxes.

 

[Vette73]

Demoting in terms of paygrade - not easily.

Transfer to a position , yes.

Eliminate their position - yes

I take it you have no idea how HR works for the Fed Gov?


You can not just transfer just 1 person unless there is only 1 person that does that job and you have to give reason for transfer and budget etc...
You can't elimintate it either as you have to eliminate all the people with the same job and not rehire them. Doing what you said would not stand up on appeal to the board.

There are a pile of rules like that as congress passed them mostly due to kneejerk reactions from trolls like the OP and we in HR have to make it all work. So most have been put in for protection but it just makes it harder to move and/or get rid of people sometimes.
Now people oweing tax and working for the IRS could be cause to remove and/or take money from their check as it would be bad for that departmnet. But a State Dept employee that does not handle money or have any clerance issues would not be affected and/or covered by their job duties.

 

[highland145]

I take it you have no idea how HR works for the Fed Gov?


You can not just transfer just 1 person unless there is only 1 person that does that job and you have to give reason for transfer and budget etc...
You can't elimintate it either as you have to eliminate all the people with the same job and not rehire them. Doing what you said would not stand up on appeal to the board.

Sounds like a union.

 

[dainthomas]

I think we were whining that they work for the fed and haven't paid their taxes.

I doubt 100,000 out of 2 million is significantly different than the overall percentage of people who are behind. That's only 5%.

 

[Vette73]

Marlin, you honestly don't believe any of the links that show federal average salary is on par or better than the private sector? I thought that was pretty much public knowledge by now. This is retarded. I owe like just shy of 1500 dollars this year in taxes, if I don't pay it I'd be screwed, these guys are pretty much getting a free pass? weak.

AGAIN!! Compare the same job in the same city. You would see that is not true. I moved to another job and make more offers to private sector people now and we get turned down due to wages A LOT!!! I am in DC and lawyers for the Fed Gov make less than most private lawyers here. But a lawyer in Raleigh NC would make less than a DC Fed Gov lawyer, and that is what this study did.


And people that owe tax get the same treatment wheather they are a Fed emplyee or private sector. Many in the Gov have their wages taken just like the private sector. No better, no worse. So how is that a free pass?

 

[Vette73]

Sounds like a union.

Sounds like you don;t know what you are talking about either.


The higher your GS grade the more likely you can NOT be union. I work on the EX (MGT) teams and can not be Union. I also am not career status yet so I have less appeal rights. A lot of older union positions have been outsourced.

 

[bfdd]

AGAIN!! Compare the same job in the same city. You would see that is not true. I moved to another job and make more offers to private sector people now and we get turned down due to wages A LOT!!! I am in DC and lawyers for the Fed Gov make less than most private lawyers here. But a lawyer in Raleigh NC would make less than a DC Fed Gov lawyer, and that is what this study did.


And people that owe tax get the same treatment wheather they are a Fed emplyee or private sector. Many in the Gov have their wages taken just like the private sector. No better, no worse. So how is that a free pass?

Well duh, these numbers aren't including State Gov employees, but Federal.

 

[highland145]

I doubt 100,000 out of 2 million is significantly different than the overall percentage of people who are behind. That's only 5%.

Agree but you do see the irony. Right?