Federal Judge Upholds Cancellation Of 'Redskins' Trademarks

[ultimatebob]

And how about this Commonwealth of Massachusetts racist flag. It has to go!

We won't stop until all racism is erased.

That's a boring flag anyway. They should put a giant rainbow on it, but no Leprechauns because that would be racist towards Irish people.

 

[alien42]

Next on the chopping block are:

Atlanta Braves
Cleveland Indians
Kansas City Chiefs
Edmonton Eskimos

you really can't see the difference between the Redskins and the rest of those?

i feel sorry for you if not.

 

[NuclearNed]

In basically one generation we have progressed into a full Orwellian society. What really alarms me is that apparently a majority think this is a good thing.

 

[feralkid]

In basically one generation we have progressed into a full Orwellian society. What really alarms me is that apparently a majority think this is a good thing.

Most people don't see it as "Orwellian"; they simply see it as the same society we've always been, except no longer into using offensive terms to name our sports teams.

Tough concept.

 

[NuclearNed]

Most people don't see it as "Orwellian"; they simply see it as the same society we've always been, except no longer into using offensive terms to name our sports teams.

Tough concept.

I'm not actually sure if this is sarcasm or not.

The problem is that the word you used, "offensive," can mean anything. Let's say that I'm offended by the word "carrots" and I'm somehow able to convince a large movement of people that "carrots" should be banned. What then? How many people are genuinely offended by the words "Atlanta Braves" ?

 

[Sho'Nuff]

Chris Rock had some feelings on racist flags:

https://youtu.be/SZ8_49BRSiw?t=182

 

[alien42]

I'm not actually sure if this is sarcasm or not.

The problem is that the word you used, "offensive," can mean anything. Let's say that I'm offended by the word "carrots" and I'm somehow able to convince a large movement of people that "carrots" should be banned. What then? How many people are genuinely offended by the words "Atlanta Braves" ?

what is "offensive" isn't static, it changes over time and in relevance to culture and society. that is not a new concept and has always existed for humans. personally, i understand that the term beloved patriot is offensive, where as the term brave is not.

a great example is the various words used to describe african americans over the past century. negro and colored were acceptable in my parents lifetime, but are clearly not anymore.

 

[purbeast0]

what is "offensive" isn't static, it changes over time and in relevance to culture and society. that is not a new concept and has always existed for humans. personally, i understand that the term beloved patriot is offensive, where as the term brave is not.

a great example is the various words used to describe african americans over the past century. negro and colored were acceptable in my parents lifetime, but are clearly not anymore.

you completely dodged his question.

and the majority of people who care about beloved patriot being "offensive" are rich white people who aren't even the people the term is apparently offensive to.

and "negros" is acceptable to call black people, it just depends where you are. go to any spanish speaking country. they refer to black people as negros ... since negro means black in spanish. just like white people are called blanos, or gringos for slang. although, obviously, culturally things can be different. just mentioning it though.

 

[NuclearNed]

what is "offensive" isn't static, it changes over time and in relevance to culture and society. that is not a new concept and has always existed for humans. personally, i understand that the term beloved patriot is offensive, where as the term brave is not.

For whatever reason, Germans felt "offended" by the Jews during the early part of the last century. "Collective consciousness" (as sociologist Émile Durkheim called it) kicked in, and we are all well aware of the results. We live in a dangerous age of mass insanity where anything offensive must absolutely, positively be stamped out. And as you pointed out, "offensive" is a moving target, defined by the whims of the moment.

 

[alien42]

For whatever reason, Germans felt "offended" by the Jews during the early part of the last century. "Collective consciousness" (as sociologist Émile Durkheim called it) kicked in, and we are all well aware of the results. We live in a dangerous age of mass insanity where anything offensive must absolutely, positively be stamped out.

the Germans bigotry was offensive, just as the blanket anti-Islam bigotry often heard in the US is offensive. as for everything offensive being stamped out, sorry, but that will never happen, unless of course you think comedy will cease to exist.

 

[alien42]

and "negros" is acceptable to call black people, it just depends where you are. go to any spanish speaking country. they refer to black people as negros ... since negro means black in spanish. just like white people are called blanos, or gringos for slang. although, obviously, culturally things can be different. just mentioning it though.

that's why i said...

"what is "offensive" isn't static, it changes over time and in relevance to culture and society."

"a great example is the various words used to describe african americans over the past century."

different cultures and societies over time have different standards and ideas to what is offensive. anything being "offensive" has never been a black and white issue (no pun intended). opinions vary and they always have. just like the confederate flag being such a hot button issue lately, for us Georgians, it was a hot button issue over a decade ago, when the stars and bars was removed from our state flag.

 

[Blankman1026]

what is "offensive" isn't static, it changes over time and in relevance to culture and society. that is not a new concept and has always existed for humans. personally, i understand that the term beloved patriot is offensive, where as the term brave is not.

a great example is the various words used to describe african americans over the past century. negro and colored were acceptable in my parents lifetime, but are clearly not anymore.

In a post trying to defend this nonsense, you actually highlight what the real problem is here and show exactly why the government should not in anyway be involved in regulating "offense". Well done.

 

[NuclearNed]

the Germans bigotry was offensive, just as the blanket anti-Islam bigotry often heard in the US is offensive. as for everything offensive being stamped out, sorry, but that will never happen, unless of course you think comedy will cease to exist.

A quick Google search shows basically 1 hit for "Soviet comedian" and that guy didn't really get started until he emigrated to the US

 

[alien42]

In a post trying to defend this nonsense, you actually highlight what the real problem is here and show exactly why the government should not in anyway be involved in regulating "offense". Well done.

not sure what you are talking about, but going by your logic, teams could be named the Brooklyn N*****s or NYC Bitches and the government should just let them be.

 

[CZroe]

you really can't see the difference between the Redskins and the rest of those?



i feel sorry for you if not.

Pretty much all of them present the stereotype of Indians all being ferocious and fearless warriors. We already had to ban the S-word around here. Remember?

what is "offensive" isn't static, it changes over time and in relevance to culture and society. that is not a new concept and has always existed for humans. personally, i understand that the term beloved patriot is offensive, where as the term brave is not.

a great example is the various words used to describe african americans over the past century. negro and colored were acceptable in my parents lifetime, but are clearly not anymore.

"Brave" can be every bit as offensive when you use one class of Native American warrior to paint an entire race or perpetuate a stereotype. The Atlanta Braves already had to retire an old mascot due to such sensitivity (Chief Nocahoma - "knock a homer").

It's only a matter of time.

 

[amdhunter]

We already had to ban the S-word around here. Remember?

What's the S word? PM me if necessary...lol

 

[CZroe]

What's the S word? PM me if necessary...lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oEWA7UglB4

I think it's safe to link to a Disney song.

 

[Remobz]

the Germans bigotry was offensive, just as the blanket anti-Islam bigotry often heard in the US is offensive. as for everything offensive being stamped out, sorry, but that will never happen, unless of course you think comedy will cease to exist.

Factions of Islam are at war with the Western Powers. You blame people for thinking negative towards Islam because of certain Muslims?

Where do you stand?

 

[alien42]

You blame people for thinking negative towards Islam because of certain Muslims?

yes i do, do you blame people for thinking negative towards Christianity because of certain Christians?

looking at a few and then labeling the masses is ignorant and wrong.

 

[Remobz]

yes i do, do you blame people for thinking negative towards Christianity because of certain Christians?

looking at a few and then labeling the masses is ignorant and wrong.

You don't get it.

Everybody hates everybody. So what is new here?

I dare any of you all in your cozy little homes to go to Syria and see how long you last. That includes Muslim Americans as well from either Sunni or Shia sects.

Those people over there hate us (well many do) and would gladly kill any of us depending on our beliefs.

Humans are humans and we hate others who hate us.

I dare you to go over to Syria and preach love and peace. I give you a week at the most before you get beheaded.

 

[alien42]

You don't get it.

Everybody hates everybody. So what is new here?

I dare any of you all in your cozy little homes to go to Syria and see how long you last. That includes Muslim Americans as well from either Sunni or Shia sects.

Those people over there hate us (well many do) and would gladly kill any of us depending on our beliefs.

Humans are humans and we hate others who hate us.

I dare you to go over to Syria and preach love and peace. I give you a week at the most before you get beheaded.

wow, glad i don't have your perspective on the world, it's quite depressing and just plain shitty. can't say i've been to Syria, however i did spend a month in Kenya about a decade ago when the US State Dept had a no travel warning and i did travel to the northern coast which is predominately Muslim. i have also traveled to Mexico quite a bit over the past decade and i can't tell you how many ignorant Americans share your bigoted views. i also don't preach love and peace, but our world is as we make it.

now, can we get back on topic?

 

[TheGardener]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzcs8nk8K04

you really can't see the difference between the Redskins and the rest of those?

i feel sorry for you if not.

This is too easy. 1 min and 49 secs. That's all I ask. Then you tell me if you still see a difference.

I truly enjoy these debates from white liberals. I can't wait to read your defense of the Atlanta Braves fans.

 

[Nashemon]

Seriously?

The people I hear from being most bent out of shape over the Redskins or the Cleveland Indians etc are insecure liberal white people. Seriously. How many actual Indians (Native Americans for the politically correct) have complained?

Native Americans make up about 2% of the US. So you're not going to see huge numbers on any stance they take. I don't know about those two in particular, but the one I mentioned, Squaw Island, the suit was started by the Seneca Nation of NY. So, about 8,000 by 2010 estimates for that one specifically.

 

[smackababy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzcs8nk8K04

This is too easy. 1 min and 49 secs. That's all I ask. Then you tell me if you still see a difference.

I truly enjoy these debates from white liberals. I can't wait to read your defense of the Atlanta Braves fans.

Did you know, it was actually Deion Sanders who brought the chop to the Braves? It was used in Florida State when he was in college.

 

[SP33Demon]

No, a melting pot is a great idea, it made us incredibly creative and strong country.

It's the thin-skinned limp-wristed bed-wetting bleeding-heart pussies that America is apparently creating nowadays who are fucking everything up.

:thumbsup: