Federal judge strikes down Oklahoma ban on same-sex marriage

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Texashiker

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Which has nothing to do with the statement in response. ...and your argument is basically: Genocide and slavery were once OK by society, just as homo-marriage once was.

Your response was since ancient cultures had gays, then we should to.

But you ignore all the other travesties in history.

The spartans might have had gay sex, but that does not mean we can slaughter our neighboring nation either.
 
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In fact I did answer that question, and multiple times I might add. You are basically setting up a "when did you stop beating your wife?" type question.

You have never answered this question and no, it's not a "when did you stop beating your wife" type of question and you are being rather silly to make the comparison.

Here we go again.

Do you believe that a heterosexual couple who can not have or who do not wish to have children should be allowed to legally marry?

It's simple. There are 3 possible answers.
a) Yes
b) No
c) Don't know

Still waiting for an answer.
 
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Your response was since ancient cultures had gays, then we should to.

But you ignore all the other travesties in history.

The spartans might have had gay sex, but that does not mean we can slaughter our neighboring nation either.

And what, pray tell, does who you are emotionally/sexually attracted to have to do with slaughtering your neighboring nation?

Here's a hint, NOTHING.

In other words, nonsensical point made which proves absolutely nothing.

Please try and construct a coherent argument. If you work at it, you probably can.
 

alzan

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It's already started.

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I hope Nehalem doesn't see that; the groom isn't supposed to see the bride before the wedding.
 

alzan

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And it's so sweet how nice it/she looks while wearing white. I'm sure it will be a lovely wedding once he gets the laws changed.

It chokes me up to think about it; a toaster-oven as maid of honor and bread maker, percolator and waffle iron for bridesmaids.

Damn, I'll have to leave the thread as my mascara is running.
 

zinfamous

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Your response was since ancient cultures had gays, then we should to.

But you ignore all the other travesties in history.

The spartans might have had gay sex, but that does not mean we can slaughter our neighboring nation either.

nope, not at all. let me repost exactly what he said, and my response, to exactly what he said. Nothing more.

If you pay attention, maybe you will get what I am saying.

I endorse the definition of marriage that has been used, reinforced, and validated throughout all of human history.

Unless you are conveniently skipping large swaths of human history with that statement, then it is good to see that you are endorsing homosexual marriage.

:thumbsup:
 
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LOL Glad you liked it.

It's an understanding that people of all 'tribes' need to understand as we all have 'traditions' that have helped shape our existence/society/world. And we have to understand those traditions for what they *are* rather than what we might think/hope them to be.

Maybe another way to put it is, blind acceptance leads to self-imprisonment.
 
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It chokes me up to think about it; a toaster-oven as maid of honor and bread maker, percolator and waffle iron for bridesmaids.

Damn, I'll have to leave the thread as my mascara is running.


Toasty Torpedo?!!! ROFLMAO!!!!

Maybe that will be his new toaster-wife's nickname for him.

[edit to correct who replied to]
 
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werepossum

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It's an understanding that people of all 'tribes' need to understand as we all have 'traditions' that have helped shape our existence/society/world. And we have to understand those traditions for what they *are* rather than what we might think/hope them to be.

Maybe another way to put it is, blind acceptance leads to self-imprisonment.
Agreed, only a lot of people want to imprison others as well.
 
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Agreed, only a lot of people want to imprison others as well.

Good point again. Live the life *I* lead (or pretend to) or else *you* will be in trouble.

Like the happy little Muslims *and* Christians in Nigeria who are rounding up gays and lesbians and tossing them in prison (or worse).
 

werepossum

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Good point again. Live the life *I* lead (or pretend to) or else *you* will be in trouble.

Like the happy little Muslims *and* Christians in Nigeria who are rounding up gays and lesbians and tossing them in prison (or worse).
Nigeria is one of the nations where the Christians are generally worse than the Muslims, as witnessed by widespread murder of animists and rampant cannibalization of albinos.
 
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Nigeria is one of the nations where the Christians are generally worse than the Muslims, as witnessed by widespread murder of animists and rampant cannibalization of albinos.

Yeah, picked Nigeria because the roundups have spread since the latest legal changes and because it's an example that people can't point to and simply say 'Muslims, what did you expect?'.
 

sportage

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Meanwhile back in Utah,

www.sltrib.com

Utah has asked the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals for more time to prepare initial arguments in defense of the state’s same-sex marriage ban.

The state asked for a 10-day extension of the Jan. 27 filing deadline set by the court to ensure it has adequate time to prepare a "fulsome, detailed and quality" brief on the significant constitutional questions the case raises.

Somehow I think worry is getting the better of them i.e. the states defense of the ban, where Utah rather delay and delay instead of facing the inevitable.
Well I guess delay and more delay is one tactic, lame, but still a tactic all the same.
Who knows, maybe the Mormons believe 10 days will give time needed for that rapture.
Or do Mormons believe in rapture?
 

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Who are we to question these people as to who they are and what they were born as?
Same can be said for pedophiles. We the people need to promote the general welfare.


SS marriage? Not even an issue for me.


How about promoting marriage so that we don't see kids being born to a single mother. Single moms with 3 kids make it hard to be there for them.


I rather have a gay couple raise a kid to have morals than to see the kid raise by gangs and become a criminal.
 
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Fern

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Originally Posted by Atreus21
I endorse the definition of marriage that has been used, reinforced, and validated throughout all of human history.

Unless you are conveniently skipping large swaths of human history with that statement, then it is good to see that you are endorsing homosexual marriage.

:thumbsup:

Honest question: Where/when were homosexual marriages practiced?

Fern
 

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Thanks, but I can't tell from that page whether these are recent or much older. (I suppose I could click on every country but am too lazy for that).

He seemed to be talking about gay marriages "throughout all of human history", implying that older societies had them. If so, I'm a little surprised I missed hearing about it given all the discussion on the issue.

Fern

Just click old world. Maybe it's formatted differently on my phone. Speaks about same sex unions in many ancient cultures.

While it is a relatively new practice that same-sex couples are being granted the same form of legal marital recognition as commonly used by mixed-sexed couples, there is a long history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[2] Various types of same-sex unions have existed, ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.

A same-sex union was known in Ancient Greece and Rome,[2] ancient Mesopotamia,[3] in some regions of China, such as Fujian province, and at certain times in ancient European history.[4] These same-sex unions continued until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire. A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) was issued in 342 AD by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans, which prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome and ordered that those who were so married were to be executed. [5]

Same-sex marital practices and rituals were more recognized in Mesopotamia than in ancient Egypt.[6] In the ancient Assyrian society, there was nothing amiss with homosexual love between men.[7] Some ancient religious Assyrian texts contain prayers for divine blessings on homosexual relationships.[8][9][9] The Almanac of Incantations contained prayers favoring on an equal basis the love of a man for a woman and of a man for man.[10]

In the southern Chinese province of Fujian, through the Ming dynasty period, females would bind themselves in contracts to younger females in elaborate ceremonies.[11] Males also entered similar arrangements. This type of arrangement was also similar in ancient European history.[12]

An example of egalitarian male domestic partnership from the early Zhou Dynasty period of China is recorded in the story of Pan Zhang & Wang Zhongxian. While the relationship was clearly approved by the wider community, and was compared to heterosexual marriage, it did not involve a religious ceremony binding the couple.[13]