Federal judge rules U.S. no-fly list violates Constitution

[Jhhnn]

The government could have taken action to make the no-fly policy less Draconian. It did not. The DOJ did not have to defend the policy in court. It did. The only reason that this situation may improve is because a judge (not part of the administration or DOJ or Congress for that matter) came to this ruling. She acted in such a way which protects our rights, not diminish them as your favored "de gubmint" has for many many years. This is a case of our system working, however there is no reason it should have come to this. This policy which was defended by the DOJ is exactly what was wanted and therefore it is no great stretch that they may continue to find ways to enforce it.

Your defense of those who wanted this policy and by extension the policy itself isn't deflected by your mention of deflection, which by the way is the sign that you are deflecting. Now you can bring up partisanship and hit people with that although no one has defended Bush or the Republicans or any other party.

Go!

Heh. The government could have never had a no-fly list at all. It's pure spite & stupidity.

Who insisted we make it that way & who continues to refuse to change it? Have you forgotten all the raving hysteria leading up to the Patriot act & the invasion of 2 countries?

And, uhh, isn't the executive branch supposed to just "Enforce the Law!", anyway? How can the Obama Admin be so wrong in doing that when Repubs demand it wrt other issues like drug enforcement & immigration? What sort of principle is involved in that, anyway?

Hate-um Stoners? Hate-um illegals? Hate-um Obama?

Is Hate-um a principle?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And, uhh, isn't the executive branch supposed to just "Enforce the Law!", anyway?

Uhh, the no fly list isn't something put in place by Congress. It is completely a creature of the Executive Branch, created by the previous administration and maintained by the current one. There is no "enforce the law" because there is no legislation which requires its existence.

How can the Obama administration be wrong? By perpetuating something which should never have been. If your father happened to beat your mother would you then say that you are excused for beating your wife now? Perhaps you would but no one I know would buy that argument. The same principle applies. Evil done by others in the past does not excuse anyone else now.

 

[Jhhnn]

Uhh, the no fly list isn't something put in place by Congress. It is completely a creature of the Executive Branch, created by the previous administration and maintained by the current one. There is no "enforce the law" because there is no legislation which requires its existence.

How can the Obama administration be wrong? By perpetuating something which should never have been. If your father happened to beat your mother would you then say that you are excused for beating your wife now? Perhaps you would but no one I know would buy that argument. The same principle applies. Evil done by others in the past does not excuse anyone else now.

The TSA was established Nov 2001 with the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. A few days later, the Prez tasked them & others with maintaining the no fly list as allowed under the act.

It carries the force of law by dint of that act. It *is* law, no matter how much hair splitting you aim for.

Se additional duties & powers page 2 (f)3-

(3) develop policies, strategies, and plans for dealing with
threats to transportation security;

https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/f...ion_security_act_atsa_public_law_107_1771.pdf

The law authorizes whatever policies they decide upon within vague & truly nebulous constitution boundaries. The no fly list is policy legally estabished under the Bush Admin. Notice how Repub politicos are mum on the subject. Should the Obama Admin fail to defend the list, we'll get the "soft on Terrar!" song and dance as a matter of course. When the Admin does, they just let the right wing noise machine blame Obama the evil dictator.

It's GWB's suit & sometimes Obama gets stuck wearing it whether he likes it or not.

 

[TerryMathews]

The TSA was established Nov 2001 with the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. A few days later, the Prez tasked them & others with maintaining the no fly list as allowed under the act.

It carries the force of law by dint of that act. It *is* law, no matter how much hair splitting you aim for.

Se additional duties & powers page 2 (f)3-



https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/f...ion_security_act_atsa_public_law_107_1771.pdf

The law authorizes whatever policies they decide upon within vague & truly nebulous constitution boundaries. The no fly list is policy legally estabished under the Bush Admin. Notice how Repub politicos are mum on the subject. Should the Obama Admin fail to defend the list, we'll get the "soft on Terrar!" song and dance as a matter of course. When the Admin does, they just let the right wing noise machine blame Obama the evil dictator.

It's GWB's suit & sometimes Obama gets stuck wearing it whether he likes it or not.

When Obama can extricate himself with the stroke of a pen, you simply cannot fall back on the "But Boosh!" BS.

Its a god damn shame, Obama was a college professor. The fact that he is continually thwarted by Boosh 6 years later (who was a drug abuser and failure at most things in life) is a really serious black mark.

Maybe Obama needs a conniving and intelligent #2 to pull his strings from behind the scenes? I hear Slick Willie is available...

 

[TerryMathews]

Is Hate-um a principle?

I think its the central plank of the 2016 Democratic platform.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think its the central plank of the 2016 Democratic platform.

Yeh, well, let me know when Dems have to rush to the defense of some of the hateful shit offered by their pundits & politicians, OK?

 

[TerryMathews]

Yeh, well, let me know when Dems have to rush to the defense of some of the hateful shit offered by their pundits & politicians, OK?

The list is long but distinguished.

 

[cuafpr]

so what if the list was changed so that if your name ends up on it you are notified and if you don't dispute it then you can't fly? would that circumvent this as it seems to be based on the fact that the people on the list didn't realize it and had no chance to fight it....

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The TSA was established Nov 2001 with the Aviation and Transportation Security Act. A few days later, the Prez tasked them & others with maintaining the no fly list as allowed under the act.

It carries the force of law by dint of that act. It *is* law, no matter how much hair splitting you aim for.

Se additional duties & powers page 2 (f)3-



https://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/f...ion_security_act_atsa_public_law_107_1771.pdf

The law authorizes whatever policies they decide upon within vague & truly nebulous constitution boundaries. The no fly list is policy legally estabished under the Bush Admin. Notice how Repub politicos are mum on the subject. Should the Obama Admin fail to defend the list, we'll get the "soft on Terrar!" song and dance as a matter of course. When the Admin does, they just let the right wing noise machine blame Obama the evil dictator.

It's GWB's suit & sometimes Obama gets stuck wearing it whether he likes it or not.

Evidently you don't understand the difference between "allowed" and "required". As has been already pointed out it's also easily reversible and that would not be a violation of law, something you clearly implied.

Your SOP is to paint Obama as the powerless, hapless victim, utterly unable to make changes because Republicans would say bad things about him. In short your justification is that Obama has to let wrongs continue because he's a pussy who might be labeled as one and we can't have him cowering in the corner because of it. News flash- he's the fucking President of the United States and paid to be a leader, not the prior office holders lap dog and there is no excuse for not fixing something like this.

Unless you secretly embrace Bush's actions stop defending Obama for doing so. For someone who appears so irate about what Bush did you sure play apologist for his actions now.