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Federal judge in San Francisco rules against RealDVD

Wheezer

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http://www.wired.com/threatlev...pying-dvds-is-illegal/

SAN FRANCISCO ? A federal judge ruled here late Tuesday that it was unlawful to traffic in goods to copy DVDs.

U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel?s ruling came in a decision in which she declared RealNetworks? DVD copying software was illegal. She barred it from being distributed.

Patel said the RealDVD software violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 that prohibits the circumvention of encryption technology. DVDs are encrypted with what is known as the Content Scramble System, and DVD players must secure a license to play discs. RealDVD, she ruled, circumvents technology designed to prevent copying.

But the decision, although mixed, left open the door that copying DVD?s for personal use ?may well be? lawful under the fair use doctrine of the Copyright Act, although trafficking in such goods was illegal.

?Because RealDVD makes a permanent copy of copyrighted DVD content, there is no exemption from DMCA liability, statutory or otherwise, that applies here. Whatever application the fair use doctrine may have for individual consumers making backup copies of their own DVDs, it does not portend to save Real from liability under the DMCA in this action,? Patel wrote (.pdf) in a lawsuit brought by Hollywood.

However, she stopped short of sanctioning personal use copies, and gave a conflicting message on whether it was legal. ?So while it may well be fair use for an individual consumer to store a backup copy of a personally owned DVD on that individual?s computer, a federal law has nonetheless made it illegal to manufacture or traffic in a device or tool that permits a consumer to make such copies,? Patel said. She added, ?fair use can never be an affirmative defense to the act of gaining unauthorized access? ? a simple way of saying it was illegal to hack into the encryption to make a copy.

?These seem to be contradicting points,? said Fred von Lohmann, a copyright attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group based in San Francisco.

The decision, minus the fair use language, mirrored the 2004 decision by another federal judge declaring as illegal DVD copying software from 321 Studios. The difference was that RealNetworks secured a Content Scramble System license, and claimed a loophole in the license allowed its RealDVD software to make hard-drive or thumb-drive backup copies of movies.

The lawsuit represented Hollywood?s worries that RealDVD and other fledgling DVD-copying services might ruin the market for DVDs if Patel legalized RealNetworks? product. Even with Tuesday?s decision, the U.S. courts have not squarely ruled on whether it is legal to copy an encrypted DVD for personal use.

The studios were fighting to keep from going the way of the music industry, which years ago lost much control of the unencrypted CD to peer-to-peer file-sharing services. Consumers may place their CDs into their iPods, but the decision leaves unsettled whether the same is true for the DVD.

The motion picture studios, which brought the case, argued to Patel that copying a DVD was illegal, even if was for personal use. RealNetworks claimed consumers could make personal copies of their DVDs.

To be sure, Hollywood lobbied hard for the DMCA, which helped give rise to the encrypted DVD.

?This is a victory for the creators and producers of motion pictures and television shows and for the rule of law in our digital economy,? said Dan Glickman, chief executive of the Motion Picture Association of America.

RealNetworks of Seattle introduced the software last fall, and Judge Patel ordered it off the market after only a few thousand copies were sold. Because of procedural rules in federal court, RealNetworks got another chance to try to convince Patel to allow the software onto the market.

RealNetworks could still pursue a jury trial, a move that likely would not change the result and would not be settled into late next year or 2011 at the earliest.

?We are disappointed that a preliminary injunction has been placed on the sale of RealDVD. We have just received the judge?s detailed ruling and are reviewing it. After we have done so fully, we?ll determine our course of action and will have more to say at that time,? RealNetworks said in a statement.

Patel, the judge in the original Napster case, said her decision was supported by the legislative history of the DMCA, which was aimed at outlawing so-called ?black boxes? ?that are expressly intended to facilitate circumvention of technological protection measures for purposes of gaining access to a work.?

Still, Hollywood is already reeling from illicit, open-source DVD decryption software that is free on the internet and remains illegal in the United States under Patel?s ruling. But Patel?s ruling might make the studios think twice before suing an individual for making backup copies of their DVDs for personal use.

Hollywood, meanwhile, claims it loses billions in sales because of BitTorrent tracking services like The Pirate Bay and others that allow consumers to locate decrypted movies and other online content for free.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Why didn't they make VCRs illegal?
MANY special interest groups tried.

The reason this has come up more often in recent years is its so damn easy to get perfect copies of original media, which really wasnt possible back in the VCR days. And when you copied with a VCR, you still needed a blank tape, which costs enough to make serious pirating a bad investment.

Blank DVD's can be had for much cheaper, and many folks find ways to enjoy the movie or music without a physical medium at all. They just hold on to all those ones and zeros in various ways that are basically free.

Also, the fact that every single one of those bits can be easily sent out on the internet and everbody in the world with a computer could theoretically have perfect copies of that media is a big concern too.
 
Why? Oh why must we go after neutral parties? They don't want people to make illegal copies, and they're not the ones using the software for illegal purposes. Go after the people distributing movies illegally.

The main people causing the lost revenue are the studios who make overpriced, crappy movies and are upset when they don't get enough sales because of that. If I was the judge, I would told them to quit wasting my time and go make decent movies. Most new movies aren't even worth my bandwidth for even the damn trailer much less the whole shitty movie (currently unlimited until TWC decides to fuck me over). Plus most people don't want to own the movie forever. I think they would make a shit ton more money offering subscriptions and low priced usage/rental fees.
 
Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Why? Oh why must we go after neutral parties? They don't want people to make illegal copies, and they're not the ones using the software for illegal purposes. Go after the people distributing movies illegally.

The main people causing the lost revenue are the studios who make overpriced, crappy movies and are upset when they don't get enough sales because of that. If I was the judge, I would told them to quit wasting my time and go make decent movies. Most new movies aren't even worth my bandwidth for even the damn trailer much less the whole shitty movie (currently unlimited until TWC decides to fuck me over). Plus most people don't want to own the movie forever. I think they would make a shit ton more money offering subscriptions and low priced usage/rental fees.

deja vu?
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: JS80
Why didn't they make VCRs illegal?
MANY special interest groups tried.
I believe the argument was that VCRs would utterly destroy the movie industry.
Then the same industry that fought VCRs with everything they had was able to bring in billions of dollars in sales on video copies of movies, sold to consumers.
Same with downloadable music - now it's profitable, and some sellers have finally gotten the idea that people don't want DRM-laden files that are entirely reliant on some company's financial well-being, so that their license servers will always be present.


The reason this has come up more often in recent years is its so damn easy to get perfect copies of original media, which really wasnt possible back in the VCR days. And when you copied with a VCR, you still needed a blank tape, which costs enough to make serious pirating a bad investment.

Blank DVD's can be had for much cheaper, and many folks find ways to enjoy the movie or music without a physical medium at all. They just hold on to all those ones and zeros in various ways that are basically free.

Also, the fact that every single one of those bits can be easily sent out on the internet and everbody in the world with a computer could theoretically have perfect copies of that media is a big concern too.
Yes indeed; analog couldn't be copied perfectly. Subsequent copies degraded.
DVD technology (well, I know DVD+R has it) has checksums built right into the data that's put on the disc to ensure perfect reproduction.

And then they implemented copy protection that can be cracked in an afternoon by bored teenagers. :laugh:



 
All those misguided peons that bitched on and on about the Patriot Act for 8 years would have been better off protesting the DMCA which effectively took away our right to fair use. :|

Bill Clinton gave us the DMCA and its biting you in the ass today. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Yet another reason to use freeware alternatives. DVD Dycrypter / Gizmo / Daemon Tools / etc etc...

Yup, this ruling ain't gonna change much at all. It's not like realnetworks was the first ones to bring DVD copying out to the table.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7
And then they implemented copy protection that can be cracked in an afternoon by bored teenagers. :laugh:
Bingo.
Any bullshit they do in the name of "protecting" their business is made moot about a day or two after it comes out.
All DRM does is punish honest customers.

But maybe I better not go there again. We've had this conversation a hundred times in PC Gaming and it never gets resolved.
 
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: JS80
Why didn't they make VCRs illegal?
MANY special interest groups tried.

The reason this has come up more often in recent years is its so damn easy to get perfect copies of original media, which really wasnt possible back in the VCR days. And when you copied with a VCR, you still needed a blank tape, which costs enough to make serious pirating a bad investment.

Blank DVD's can be had for much cheaper, and many folks find ways to enjoy the movie or music without a physical medium at all. They just hold on to all those ones and zeros in various ways that are basically free.

Also, the fact that every single one of those bits can be easily sent out on the internet and everbody in the world with a computer could theoretically have perfect copies of that media is a big concern too.

That's not why. The only real reason why VCRs didn't get banned is because of people and their damned soap operas wanting to "time shift". So in a sense, because of people's need to watch soap operas at a different time of day, it was ruled in favor of JVC's VCRs. Now had DVRs been available during the time like they are today, you can bet your ass that they would have banned VCRs from recording from live TV.
 
?So while it may well be fair use for an individual consumer to store a backup copy of a personally owned DVD on that individual?s computer, a federal law has nonetheless made it illegal to manufacture or traffic in a device or tool that permits a consumer to make such copies,?

DVD burners now illegal?
 
I don't know how we could have expected any different outcome. The DMCA is pretty clear on circumventing copy protection. Yes it interferes with our fair use rights, but I think that sort of ruling would have to come at a higher level (appeals court or supreme court).
 
Originally posted by: mugs
I don't know how we could have expected any different outcome. The DMCA is pretty clear on circumventing copy protection. Yes it interferes with our fair use rights, but I think that sort of ruling would have to come at a higher level (appeals court or supreme court).

It doesnt just interfere, it seeks to remove. Its an over reaching law that took away our ability to effectively exercise our fair use rights! 🙁

If I took the tires off your car and told you that you could buy more tires but no one could legally manufacture them, how the hell are you going to LEGALLY use your car? The DMCA says your gonna be walkin' for all they care.

 
OK, we don't need to resort to poor analogies because I used one word that you didn't like. 😕

I'm on your side, I'd rather not be breaking the law when I rip my DVDs, because that's exactly what I've been doing recently. I'm putting them all on a fileserver in the basement so I can watch them on my Xbox 360s or my PS3 without using the disc.
 
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