Federal Judge Bitch Slaps Bush on Sonar and Whales.

[5to1baby1in5]

It appears the Judicial Branch is a little miffed at his treatment of their fellow judges.

Fortunatly the terrorists don't have nuclear powered submarines, or we would all be doomed.

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LOS ANGELES - President Bush cannot exempt the Navy from environmental laws banning sonar training that opponents argue harms whales, a federal judge ruled Monday.

Navy officials did not immediately respond to the ruling by U.S. District Judge Florence-Marie Cooper. Mark Matsunaga, spokesman for the Navy?s Pacific Fleet, with headquarters in Hawaii, said officials needed time to review it before commenting.

The president signed a waiver Jan. 15 exempting the Navy and its anti-submarine warfare exercises from a preliminary injunction creating a 12 nautical-mile no-sonar zone off Southern California. The Navy?s attorneys argued in court last week that he was within his legal rights.

The Navy is not ?exempted from compliance with the National Environmental Policy Act and this Court?s injunction,? Cooper wrote in her 36-page decision.

Environmentalists have fought the use of sonar in court, saying it harms whales and other marine mammals.

?It?s an excellent decision,? said Joel Reynolds, attorney for the National Resources Defense Council, which is spearheading the legal fight. ?It reinstates the proper balance between national security and environmental protection.?

When he signed the exemption, Bush said complying with the law would ?undermine the Navy?s ability to conduct realistic training exercises that are necessary to ensure the combat effectiveness of carrier and expeditionary strike groups.?

Said Reynolds:

?I?ve always felt that the president?s actions were illegal in this case, and the judge has affirmed that point of view with the decision today.?

 

[Craig234]

You know, nearly every time I look up when the judge actually upholds the law against the Bush administration, who appointed the judge, it was a democrat. That's the case here, too.

It's an important reminder why it's very important that we block the judges who Bush and other Republicans like him appoint, who put the political agenda ahead of justice and the law so much.

 

[jpeyton]

It feels good to get your shots in while he's still in the Oval Office.

 

[compuwiz1]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It feels good to get your shots in while he's still in the Oval Office.

So, do you support this walking felon?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1

Originally posted by: jpeyton
It feels good to get your shots in while he's still in the Oval Office.

So, do you support this walking felon?

Nope. I commend the Judge for giving Bush a taste of his own medicine. I wish there were more Judges with the guts to take on this administration.

 

[ericlp]

http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...5feb05,1,5010590.story



Hahaha Priceless! Bush got owned! Don't be F'en when the sea life....


"It properly rejected the president's attempted end run around the will of Congress and an order of the federal court," he said. "The court confirms that we don't have an imperial presidency in this country."

 

[StageLeft]

haha

 

[PrinceofWands]

THIS RULES!!! If only everyone had been like this starting about 7 years ago.

 

[Lemon law]

Before we break out the party hats and the whoopie whistles, its time to realize its the evil empire we are talking about here. And district judge rulings, while they may reach first or second base, they seldom go the distance.

And in the white house, the front men will express disappointment while they make a show of complying with the law, and in the basement a vast army of schemers will go into over drive to gut it.

I don't like it better than anyone else, but its one thing GWB&co. is very good at, and they simply will not accept any barrier on getting their way. Our tax dollars at work against us.

So call it a hopeful step and not victory. Something that slows but does not yet get to any final resolution.

 

[FoBoT]

that is a load of crap, sonar hurting whales, you greenies are sooooo crazy

submarines rarely use active sonar anyway, the type of submarine i was on, for the four years i was attached, we never used our active sonar

fast attach subs probably use it more, but it is still very rare

surface ships use active sonar much more often than subs. and sonabuoys , anti-sub aircraft drop buoys that have both active and passive modes

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
that is a load of crap, sonar hurting whales, you greenies are sooooo crazy

submarines rarely use active sonar anyway, the type of submarine i was on, for the four years i was attached, we never used our active sonar

fast attach subs probably use it more, but it is still very rare

surface ships use active sonar much more often than subs

Proof?

 

[CaptnKirk]

How is this any different from Sonic Annoyance (except for adaptation to water) as a deterrent to all those Terrorist Whales that are willing to be detonated on the West Coast?

Just think of the potential toll to humanity if all those whales beached then blew themselves up on the beaches of Malibu in the middle of Sun-Tan Season . . .

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Craig234
You know, nearly every time I look up when the judge actually upholds the law against the Bush administration, who appointed the judge, it was a democrat. That's the case here, too.

It's an important reminder why it's very important that we block the judges who Bush and other Republicans like him appoint, who put the political agenda ahead of justice and the law so much.

You actually think democrat appointed judges are any different in their loyalties??

 

[CycloWizard]

Now anyone who has a sub knows how to attack us. Just get within 12 miles of the Cali coast and git r dun.

 

[Moonbeam]

We have to kill everything to be safe. Thank God Bush understands that.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
It appears the Judicial Branch is a little miffed at his treatment of their fellow judges.

Really? Then he's a pretty shitty judge IMO. I'd like to think he made his decision based on solid judicial review of the case in front of him.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
It appears the Judicial Branch is a little miffed at his treatment of their fellow judges.

Really? Then he's a pretty shitty judge IMO. I'd like to think he made his decision based on solid judicial review of the case in front of him.

I agree.

 

[DealMonkey]

Why does Bush hate whales so much?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
that is a load of crap, sonar hurting whales, you greenies are sooooo crazy

submarines rarely use active sonar anyway, the type of submarine i was on, for the four years i was attached, we never used our active sonar

fast attach subs probably use it more, but it is still very rare

surface ships use active sonar much more often than subs. and sonabuoys , anti-sub aircraft drop buoys that have both active and passive modes

Way to sidestep the issue. The judge's position or knowledge on whether sonar hurts whales is irrelevant to the case. The only question he had to answer is whether the president can unilaterally exempt a branch of the military from law and a court's injunction. The answer is no, for now anyway.

Do you think the president should be the final word or appeal to the judciary? Aren't you a conservative/libertarian?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Why does Bush hate whales so much?

One swallowed Jonah and he was in the Bible?

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: 5to1baby1in5
It appears the Judicial Branch is a little miffed at his treatment of their fellow judges.

Really? Then he's a pretty shitty judge IMO. I'd like to think he made his decision based on solid judicial review of the case in front of him.

I agree.

f#@kin A moonie thats twice in 10 minutes

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Craig234
You know, nearly every time I look up when the judge actually upholds the law against the Bush administration, who appointed the judge, it was a democrat. That's the case here, too.

It's an important reminder why it's very important that we block the judges who Bush and other Republicans like him appoint, who put the political agenda ahead of justice and the law so much.

LOL> Like its so different with Democrats?!
What makes the Democrats agenda any more honest then a Republicans??

Your partisan blinders are truly sickening Craig.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Craig234
You know, nearly every time I look up when the judge actually upholds the law against the Bush administration, who appointed the judge, it was a democrat. That's the case here, too.

It's an important reminder why it's very important that we block the judges who Bush and other Republicans like him appoint, who put the political agenda ahead of justice and the law so much.

LOL> Like its so different with Democrats?!
What makes the Democrats agenda any more honest then a Republicans??

Your partisan blinders are truly sickening Craig.

Well for one thing, Republicans are better than Democrats and so they are much better at being dishonest too.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: FoBoT
that is a load of crap, sonar hurting whales, you greenies are sooooo crazy

submarines rarely use active sonar anyway, the type of submarine i was on, for the four years i was attached, we never used our active sonar

fast attach subs probably use it more, but it is still very rare

surface ships use active sonar much more often than subs. and sonabuoys , anti-sub aircraft drop buoys that have both active and passive modes

Way to sidestep the issue. The judge's position or knowledge on whether sonar hurts whales is irrelevant to the case. The only question he had to answer is whether the president can unilaterally exempt a branch of the military from law and a court's injunction. The answer is no, for now anyway.

Do you think the president should be the final word or appeal to the judciary? Aren't you a conservative/libertarian?

Hmmm. I find that questionable.

I think what we have here is an example of overlap in Constitutional duties.

To a great extent, the military is under the President per the Constitution.

If he rightly believes (whether or not he's correct, just honestly believes) that this law interfers with his Constitutional duties he should challenge it. The SCOTUS will resolve it.

I don't see much difference in this and the court throwing out laws Congresses passes.

It's just part of the process of Checks & Balances and questions of Constitutional duties.

Fern

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
that is a load of crap, sonar hurting whales, you greenies are sooooo crazy

submarines rarely use active sonar anyway, the type of submarine i was on, for the four years i was attached, we never used our active sonar

fast attach subs probably use it more, but it is still very rare

surface ships use active sonar much more often than subs. and sonabuoys , anti-sub aircraft drop buoys that have both active and passive modes

DID YOU MISS THE PART WHERE IT'S ABOUT TRAINING MISSIONS?



http://www.whalesandsonar.navy.mil/stranding_events.htm