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Federal Court blocks Mississippi from shutting down last remaining abortion clinic

Oldgamer

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It looks like they may not be able to shut down all the clinics with their "trap laws" after all. Abortion rights advocates are fighting back. They won a small victory here in Mississippi. For now they can't touch this clinic.

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Link to news article

NEW ORLEANS — A federal appeals panel on Tuesday blocked a Mississippi law that would have shut the sole abortion clinic in the state by requiring its doctors to obtain admitting privileges at local hospitals, something they had been unable to do.

By a 2-to-1 vote, the panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit ruled that by imposing a law that would effectively end abortion in the state, Mississippi would illegally shift its constitutional obligations to neighboring states. The ruling is the latest at a time when states, particularly in the South, are increasingly setting new restrictions that supporters say address safety issues and that critics say are intended to shut clinics.

“A state cannot lean on its sovereign neighbors to provide protection of its citizens’ federal constitutional rights,” Judge E. Grady Jolly wrote.

“Pre-viability, a woman has the constitutional right to end her pregnancy by abortion,” he continued. This law “effectively extinguishes that right within Mississippi’s borders.”

Mississippi officials had argued that women seeking abortions could always drive to neighboring states, such as Louisiana or Tennessee, to obtain the procedure, an argument the panel rejected.

The decision did not overturn the Mississippi law or explore whether the admitting-privilege requirement was justified on safety grounds. Rather, the panel said, the law could not be used to close the sole clinic in the state. The opinion preserved an existing stay while the substantive issues were considered further by a Federal District Court. But it set a clear principle of state responsibility that the lower court must apply to this case.

Laurence H. Tribe, a professor of constitutional law at Harvard, said that the principle of state responsibility enunciated by the circuit court “is deeply established and fully entrenched.”

“It goes not only to the issue of reproductive freedom but to the very character of the federal union,” he said.

Mississippi officials did not say whether the state would appeal.

“We are reviewing the ruling and considering our options,” said Jan Schaefer, a spokeswoman for Jim Hood, Mississippi’s attorney general.

State Representative Sam C. Mims, who was the chief sponsor of the law, expressed disappointment with the ruling, saying that the decision reflected a misinterpretation of its purpose.

“Abortion is still legal throughout the nation and, of course, still legal in Mississippi,” he said. “This legislation did not deal with that; it only dealt with the regulation of abortion clinics.”

Supporters of abortion rights were pleased but wary.

“The fact that the Mississippi clinic can stay open is good news, but there are a lot of other cases pending in federal courts, and it’s impossible to know if those laws will be upheld or struck down,” said Elizabeth Nash, who analyzes state laws for the Guttmacher Institute, a private research group that supports abortion rights.

Similar laws have been temporarily blocked by federal courts in Alabama, Kansas and Wisconsin while they have taken effect in Missouri, North Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

In March, a panel from the same appeals court, composed of different judges, upheld a Texas law requiring admitting privileges, ruling that the closing of some but not all clinics within a state did not present an undue burden to women seeking abortion. About one-third of the abortion clinics in Texas have shut in the last year because of the requirement, leaving 22 open and forcing women in some parts of the state to drive more than 100 miles to obtain an abortion.

On Monday, two affected clinics in Texas are mounting a new legal challenge and clinic operators will also ask a Federal District Court to block enforcement of a more drastic requirement scheduled to take effect on Sept. 1 — that abortion clinics meet the building standards of ambulatory surgery centers. That rule could reduce the number of centers operating in the state to fewer than 10.

While the Texas and Mississippi laws were nearly identical, the judges found that the effect in Mississippi, with a single clinic, made the law there, passed by a large and bipartisan majority in 2012, constitutionally distinct from the one in Texas.

Nearly everyone involved with the law in Mississippi acknowledged from the outset that it would shutter the Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which is north of downtown Jackson. The clinic’s challenge to the law was argued by the Center for Reproductive Rights, a New York group.

Politicians at the time of the law’s passage, including the governor, welcomed the closing as a likely outcome. The two physicians who perform nearly all abortions at the clinic, neither of whom live full-time in Jackson, tried and failed to obtain admitting privileges at all seven hospitals in the area.

When they appeared before the appeals panel in April, lawyers representing the state did not dispute that the law would force the clinic’s closing, instead echoing arguments made about the Texas law: that it was not an undue burden for women to have to drive a longer distance.

Mississippi is “surrounded by major metropolitan areas where abortion clinics are available,” said Paul E. Barnes of the Mississippi attorney general’s office. The judges at the time pointed out that such options might narrow considerably with the passage of similar laws in Louisiana and Alabama, a point raised again in a footnote to Tuesday’s opinion.

In a dissent, Judge Emilio M. Garza agreed with Mississippi’s arguments, saying that the law was a reasonable effort to regulate and add safeguards to abortions. Disputing the central premise of the opinion, he wrote that “no state is obligated to provide or guarantee the provision of abortion services within its borders.”

Major medical associations including the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists have said that requiring clinic doctors to have admitting privileges has no effect on medical safety. In an emergency, patients would be sent to local emergency rooms and be treated by specialists in any case.

Many hospitals provide admitting privileges only to doctors who admit a minimum number of patients each year — a threshold many abortion providers cannot meet because serious medical crises are rare and, in the case of the Jackson clinic, because the doctors visit from elsewhere.

Other hospitals, especially in conservative and rural areas, have refused to grant privileges to abortion clinic doctors in order to avoid controversy.
 
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Supreme Court ruling not found in your article. Federal appeals is not the same thing as the Supreme Court.

I do think it is a good ruling though.
 
Easy fix - just legislatively decree a minimum cost for abortion services or add an "abortion fee" to make it expensive enough that it's not an economically viable choice. If you can force people to pay fees to register firearms then you can force them to do the same for an abortion. Make sure the processing is just as long as for a concealed carry permit.
 
Easy fix - just legislatively decree a minimum cost for abortion services or add an "abortion fee" to make it expensive enough that it's not an economically viable choice. If you can force people to pay fees to register firearms then you can force them to do the same for an abortion. Make sure the processing is just as long as for a concealed carry permit.

Or regulate it as commerce. For example it is totally legal to ban the sale of organs. So, ban abortions for money.
 
the clinics should say it's their deeply held religious beliefs that they don't believe their doctors need admitting privileges at hospitals.
 
if we are going to keep abortions legal we need to make sure they are safe. if the clinics cant afford it, then there is a problem with how they are run.
 
if we are going to keep abortions legal we need to make sure they are safe. if the clinics cant afford it, then there is a problem with how they are run.
The measures states are trying to pass have nothing to do with safety. How does mandating admitting privileges make abortion safer? How does mandating surgical-style buildings and equipment for medically-induced only abortion clinics make those procedures safer?

These laws are serving one purpose: to make abortion illegal in a de facto sense, by forcing all the clinics out of business through onerous and unnecessarily stringent regulations.
 
Easy fix - just legislatively decree a minimum cost for abortion services or add an "abortion fee" to make it expensive enough that it's not an economically viable choice. If you can force people to pay fees to register firearms then you can force them to do the same for an abortion. Make sure the processing is just as long as for a concealed carry permit.

This presupposes that all constitutional rights must be regulated in the same way, which is of course completely false.

Since you're the one that advocates this though let's apply it to gun ownership. I assume you're just fine with cities like DC and Chicago making sure that all gun dealers must be licensed physicians with admitting privileges to local hospitals, etc, etc.
 
Conservatives are funny. They are always complaining about too much regulation, and yet here they are pursposefully regulating a buisiness out of existence.
 
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This presupposes that all constitutional rights must be regulated in the same way, which is of course completely false.

Since you're the one that advocates this though let's apply it to gun ownership. I assume you're just fine with cities like DC and Chicago making sure that all gun dealers must be licensed physicians with admitting privileges to local hospitals, etc, etc.

That is just plain stupid. They should have to be licensed firearm dealer.

Or are you suggesting that firearm dealers should be allowed to perform abortions? :awe:
 
That is just plain stupid. They should have to be licensed firearm dealer.

Or are you suggesting that firearm dealers should be allowed to perform abortions? :awe:

Sorry, that's not enough. They need to be prepared for any complications that might arise from what they are selling. They will need, at a minimum, admitting privileges. I'm willing to negotiate the requirement of them having a full time EMT and ambulance onsite, but that's only because I'm reasonable.
 
Sorry, that's not enough. They need to be prepared for any complications that might arise from what they are selling. They will need, at a minimum, admitting privileges. I'm willing to negotiate the requirement of them having a full time EMT and ambulance onsite, but that's only because I'm reasonable.

Fine with me and glad that you finally believe in federalism. Let both sides regulate their own pet peeves to their heart's content. If Obama can regulate coal out of economic viability on a federal level, let DC regulate guns and Mississippi regulate abortion the same way. People can self-sort into the state whose regulations meets their preferences.
 
Fine with me and glad that you finally believe in federalism. Let both sides regulate their own pet peeves to their heart's content. If Obama can regulate coal out of economic viability on a federal level, let DC regulate guns and Mississippi regulate abortion the same way. People can self-sort into the state whose regulations meets their preferences.

That is extraordinarily stupid, and my example was simply to show you how dumb your position really was. It's also quite telling that you're relating coal to constitutional rights.

Still though, now that you've accepted that states can place any regulations they want on any activity no matter how constitutionally protected, I don't want to see you complaining about any laws or regulations anymore.

Now that you can't complain about government waste or government regulations without being a hypocrite, what's left for you to do except impotently rage against NYC? (it's beautiful here right now, btw)
 
Sorry, that's not enough. They need to be prepared for any complications that might arise from what they are selling. They will need, at a minimum, admitting privileges. I'm willing to negotiate the requirement of them having a full time EMT and ambulance onsite, but that's only because I'm reasonable.

You afraid someone might drop his new gun on his toe?😀
 
Fine with me and glad that you finally believe in federalism. Let both sides regulate their own pet peeves to their heart's content. If Obama can regulate coal out of economic viability on a federal level, let DC regulate guns and Mississippi regulate abortion the same way. People can self-sort into the state whose regulations meets their preferences.

coal was dying long before Obama showed up.
 
Easy fix - just legislatively decree a minimum cost for abortion services or add an "abortion fee" to make it expensive enough that it's not an economically viable choice. If you can force people to pay fees to register firearms then you can force them to do the same for an abortion. Make sure the processing is just as long as for a concealed carry permit.

Ah the old, "if I suffer then everyone else should suffer" mentality, how very grown up and enlightened you are. /s



if we are going to keep abortions legal we need to make sure they are safe. if the clinics cant afford it, then there is a problem with how they are run.

Can you provide me with data showing just how unsafe abortions are? Now compare that data to other medical practices that don't require admitting privileges.
 
It looks like they may not be able to shut down all the clinics with their "trap laws" after all. Abortion rights advocates are fighting back. They won a small victory here in Mississippi. For now they can't touch this clinic.
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I found it unbelievable that MS had only one abortion clinic. However, I found that this is substanially true (although there is one other place offering abortions).

It doesn't appear that this MS law has had any effect outside of agitating liberals. Back 2008, well before the so-called "trap law" (I have no idea what that means?) was enacted MS still had only one abortion clinic, quite possibly the same one involved here.

In 2011, there were 2 abortion providers in Mississippi; 1 of those were clinics. This represents no change in overall providers and a no change in clinics from 2008, when there were 2 abortion providers overall, of which 1 were abortion clinics.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/sfaa/mississippi.html

(I suppose there could have a flurry of abortion clinics opening in 2012 and 2013 that were affect by the 2014 "trap law", but I feel it unlikely and can't be bothered to research it further.)

Fern
 
Geography isn't one of your strengths, I assume? :hmm:

I think he may be thinking of more than just Mississippi here, as most of its neighbors have tried similar shenanigans wrt abortion rights. As an example, AL only has five clinics IIRC, and that may be dropping down to three with the slew of similar laws passed by the GOP supermajority, signed by a GOP governor, and eventually upheld by a GOP state supreme court. Seeing a pattern here?
 
It's too bad the court cannot require the State of Mississippi to pay Mississippi women the costs of raising unwanted children plus a labor cost. They could start by levying a special tax against anyone who believes abortion should be illegal.
 
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