Federal Appeals Court: Driving With Money is a Crime

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Baked
Drug dealer for sure.

Great. So where's the evidence other than a wad of cash? That's right, there is none.

Personally, I think Baked is a murderer and a rapist. I have no evidence, but then again he has shown me no evidence that he isn't.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Hammer
so what's the cut off point before it can be seized? 10K?

yea no kidding. when i sold my truck last year i had 9K in 100's that i took to the bank. granted i had a bill of sale but what if i didnt have a BOS? free game on my money because i cant prove it was drug money?

Well if you didn't have bill of sale, you don't remember who you sold your truck to, you don't remember where you sold it to him or other 'minor' details that would help substantiate your claim that you sold your truck, then yes your money would be free game.

You do remember who you sold the truck to, right? Right after they call this person and confirm the sale, everything is okay.

Isn't it strange that this guy in the story cannot provide simple details (like the name of the seller, how he found out the truck was for sale, who signed for his rental car, etc) of this truck sale, isn't it?

Why does it matter? Why should one have to defend themselves from the government when no crime has been committed? If there's no crime, there should be no need to defend yourself.

Hhe was stopped for speeding which is against the law...after he was acting suspiciousily, the money was then taken away.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Hhe was stopped for speeding which is against the law...after he was acting suspiciousily, the money was then taken away.

Acting suspiciously is not a crime. It can lead to investigation of a crime, but by itself is not criminal. So apparently the punishment for speeding is taking any possessions that are in your vehicle? I should become a cop. Pull over speeder, get free stuff. Sounds great.

 

[cavemanmoron]

Cashiers check's/money orders FTW.

Or better nowadays; Prepaid credit card.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Xanis
That's a pretty stupid ruling, but seriously, how often do people carry over $100K in their cars for LEGAL reasons?

My friends parents frequently carry sums much larger (sometimes as much as $500,000) as they do a lot of real estate in costa rica and you just can't trust some of the banking institutions down there. Although, it was my understanding that anything over 10grand was considered trafficking money, I still think it is BS. If I want to carry around my entire net worth in cash, why shouldn't I be able to?

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: Xanis
That's a pretty stupid ruling, but seriously, how often do people carry over $100K in their cars for LEGAL reasons?

My friends parents frequently carry sums much larger (sometimes as much as $500,000) as they do a lot of real estate in costa rica and you just can't trust some of the banking institutions down there. Although, it was my understanding that anything over 10grand was considered trafficking money, I still think it is BS. If I want to carry around my entire net worth in cash, why shouldn't I be able to?

You can if you can back up the source of the $$ legitimately (bank statements, pay stubs, W2's, etc)...

This guy could not remember any of the details regarding this transaction. You think he would at the minimum remember the name of the person selling this truck...

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Hhe was stopped for speeding which is against the law...after he was acting suspiciousily, the money was then taken away.

Acting suspiciously is not a crime. It can lead to investigation of a crime, but by itself is not criminal. So apparently the punishment for speeding is taking any possessions that are in your vehicle? I should become a cop. Pull over speeder, get free stuff. Sounds great.

Lying to a cop can have severe consequences...this guy found that out the hard way...

just exactly what do you think will happen if a cop thinks you are acting suspiciously???

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Hhe was stopped for speeding which is against the law...after he was acting suspiciousily, the money was then taken away.

Acting suspiciously is not a crime. It can lead to investigation of a crime, but by itself is not criminal. So apparently the punishment for speeding is taking any possessions that are in your vehicle? I should become a cop. Pull over speeder, get free stuff. Sounds great.

Lying to a cop can have severe consequences...this guy found that out the hard way...

just exactly what do you think will happen if a cop thinks you are acting suspiciously???

They'll investigate, find that no crime has been committed, and nothing will happen? Honestly, how hard is this to understand? There was no evidence of a crime having been committed, and therefore this guy should get his money back. Apparently some of you are quite happy with suspicion being tantamount to guilt. No need to bother with the formalities of a criminal jury trial. Just take peoples belongings and call it a day.

Seriously, some of you fascists are scary.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Nebor, you might want to read the court document, too.

And I hope you're joking about OJ.

I don't have to read the court document. If he's not convicted of a crime, they should give the man his money back. I'm a huge proponent of the war on drugs, but we can't squash peoples rights to fight it.

And OJ was not found guilty. That means he's innocent. That's good enough for me. I'd have a beer with him. :thumbsup:

For the record, that's incorrect. There's a reason that courts find a defendant "guilty" or "not guilty" instead of "guilty" or "innocent". Having not satisfactorily proven guilt does not make a man innocent.

Asset forfeiture laws are one of the few real detractions in freedoms America has suffered in recent times. I hope this guy (who almost certainly is running drugs) wins that money back in an appeal. No proof should mean he goes home with everything he came in with.

 

[LEDominator]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Hhe was stopped for speeding which is against the law...after he was acting suspiciousily, the money was then taken away.

Acting suspiciously is not a crime. It can lead to investigation of a crime, but by itself is not criminal. So apparently the punishment for speeding is taking any possessions that are in your vehicle? I should become a cop. Pull over speeder, get free stuff. Sounds great.

The Dog pointed at his car and the money but not the other test money. Seems pretty clear... (for the record I realise there is cocaine on the money likely around 80% of the currency, however taking this into account, why then did the dog not point on the other money? Somewhere along the line the money in the guys car came into contact with more than minute traces.)

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: LEDominator

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: spacejamz
Hhe was stopped for speeding which is against the law...after he was acting suspiciousily, the money was then taken away.

Acting suspiciously is not a crime. It can lead to investigation of a crime, but by itself is not criminal. So apparently the punishment for speeding is taking any possessions that are in your vehicle? I should become a cop. Pull over speeder, get free stuff. Sounds great.

The Dog pointed at his car and the money but not the other test money. Seems pretty clear... (for the record I realise there is cocaine on the money likely around 80% of the currency, however taking this into account, why then did the dog not point on the other money? Somewhere along the line the money in the guys car came into contact with more than minute traces.)

Great, so then they have additional proof of the crime, right? If this money was involved with a crime, why has he not been charged? If he was not charged because there was not enough evidence of a crime, why was the money not returned?

Why are some of you so farking dense? No crime, no punishment. The state confiscating items that they claim may have in some way possibly at another time if you stretch the truth might have been involved in something which may have been criminal, is fascism.