Fed to sue and seek injunction of AZ illegal immigrant law

[spidey07]

This will certainly go over well with only 4 months left until November. With the law having an overwhelming support of 70+% of the country Obama and justice department are suing Arizona over their enforcement of existing immigration laws. Along with Obama's clear pro-criminal/illegal stance he's going against the wishes of his own citizens and still refuses to enforce existing immigration laws. This is a two pronged attack on a state that is destined to fail and piss off the country at the same time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/06/AR2010070601928.html?hpid=topnews

The lawsuit, which three sources said could be filed as early as Tuesday, will invoke for its main argument the legal doctrine of "preemption," which is based on the Constitution's supremacy clause and says that federal law trumps state statutes. Justice Department officials believe that enforcing immigration laws is a federal responsibility, the sources said.

But the filing is likely to have a civil rights component as well, arguing that the Arizona law would lead to police harassment of U.S. citizens and foreigners, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the government has not announced its plans. President Obama has warned that the law could violate citizens' civil rights, and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has expressed concern that it could drive a wedge between police and immigrant communities.

It's official. Suit filed.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jup3stJNgod5yvfvOU1IInU0erAwD9GPN88G0

Democrats laying low, Obama's move is hurting them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/06/AR2010070604060.html

While Democrats stayed largely quiet, a host of Republicans said the federal government has no business challenging Arizona's new law. Slated to be implemented July 29, it would require state and local police to question and possibly arrest illegal immigrants during the enforcement of other laws such as traffic stops.

"If the president wants to make real progress on this issue, he can do so by taking amnesty off the table and focus his efforts on border and interior security," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.

 

[boomerang]

Almost makes you think they aren't concerned about the elections...

 

[spidey07]

Almost makes you think they aren't concerned about the elections...

It certainly does seem that way. I won't go into conspiracy theory stuff but it's almost as if Obama has something up his sleeve to prevent the elections or nullify the results.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

It certainly does seem that way. I won't go into conspiracy theory stuff but it's almost as if Obama has something up his sleeve to prevent the elections or nullify the results.

LOL adjust your tinfoil hat. Yeah they aren't being very smart about it and it surely won't help them in Nov. but you are as loony as those on the left that claimed Bush was going to do the same thing. At least you embrace, and don't hide from, your special brand of crazy.

 

[Modelworks]

That is a going to be a tough one and will likely go to the supreme court. The fed cannot claim preemption unless they have already passed laws about the problem that the state law is trying to address or the state law is preventing them from passing suitable laws. . While the fed has laws in place they are not fixing the problem so AZ could argue that the fed has not passed relevant laws and that the state is filling in the gaps. The fed could argue that they may not have current laws to fix the problem, but that the AZ law is standing in the way of them passing laws to fix the problem and so the law should be preempted so that a future law can be passed.

The latter is most likely. They will promise reform but claim the AZ law is preventing reform. The law will be preempted and nothing will change because all the fed has to do is claim they are going to make changes, they don't have to put a time of completion for those changes.

 

[cubby1223]

This whole lawsuit is bullshit and everyone knows it, including those who just trumpeting everything a Democrat does in defiance of a Republican. They'll never admit to it, but they know this is bullshit.

At this point they're just making up anything they can to try and win votes come fall.

Does no one in the Obama regime understand what the 10th amendment is? Oh right, the constitution is a "living document", it's current form is no longer applicable to the challenges we face in today's world...

 

[Turin39789]

It certainly does seem that way. I won't go into conspiracy theory stuff but it's almost as if Obama has something up his sleeve to prevent the elections or nullify the results.

lol

 

[EagleKeeper]

That is a going to be a tough one and will likely go to the supreme court. The fed cannot claim preemption unless they have already passed laws about the problem that the state law is trying to address or the state law is preventing them from passing suitable laws. . While the fed has laws in place they are not fixing the problem so AZ could argue that the fed has not passed relevant laws and that the state is filling in the gaps. The fed could argue that they may not have current laws to fix the problem, but that the AZ law is standing in the way of them passing laws to fix the problem and so the law should be preempted so that a future law can be passed.

The latter is most likely. They will promise reform but claim the AZ law is preventing reform. The law will be preempted and nothing will change because all the fed has to do is claim they are going to make changes, they don't have to put a time of completion for those changes.

I do not think the USSC will buy off on empty promises.

The AZ does not prevent the Feds from putting in place tougher rules and the Feds have demonstrated that this is a political football rather than a legal issue.

 

[DesiPower]

Great! another diversion from the EPIC FAIL that he really is!! two thumbs up Obama, you did it again!!!
When everyone is struggling from job losses, you make a state spend millions on a lawsuit for what it did in its self defense, something your presidential ass was not willing to do coz you and your ppl wanted to kiss minority ass, even when Americans were not safe anymore even in their own backward.
Well... your sorry ass forgot to do one thing, take away ppl's ability to vote coz when they do this coming fall, they will make your ass disappear before you can kill more Americans.

 

[blackangst1]

I for one am happy about this. I have yet to read specifically how this law is unconstitutional. Like, the line, and the referenced passage from our constitution and context. All Ive heard is "this and that are possible under this law". Well, its also possible anyone here can get framed for a murder they dont commit, but I dont see people calling for the legalization of murder.

Im looking forward to the court's decision.

 

[Modelworks]

The AZ does not prevent the Feds from putting in place tougher rules and the Feds have demonstrated that this is a political football rather than a legal issue.

What will likely happen is states like CA will jump into it with reasons like they are not willing to discuss reform as long laws like the one in AZ are in place. Don't underestimate the amount of childish behavior politicians will use to get their way. "I'm not doing my homework because little Johnny isn't doing his "

 

[DesiPower]

LOL adjust your tinfoil hat. Yeah they aren't being very smart about it and it surely won't help them in Nov. but you are as loony as those on the left that claimed Bush was going to do the same thing. At least you embrace, and don't hide from, your special brand of crazy.

you are a fresh batch of liberal brainwashed collage educated shit faces who cannot see the truth, stop drinking the kool-aid for a few weeks let it wear out

 

[Jaskalas]

When I say treason, acts such as these are in the forefront.

 

[DesiPower]

When I say treason, acts such as these are in the forefront.

www.amnestyistreason.net

 

[spidey07]

When I say treason, acts such as these are in the forefront.

I can haz traitor in chief and his criminal cabal of Eric Holder and the justice department?

With all the targets and active hits out on AZ police, AZ should call upon the militia because the feds aren't protecting the states interests. If Obama tries to interfere with this, then BAM! We've got him for treason and impeachable offense wrapped up and rock solid.

 

[Vic]

It certainly does seem that way. I won't go into conspiracy theory stuff but it's almost as if Obama has something up his sleeve to prevent the elections or nullify the results.

Don't worry, with paranoid nutjobs like you carrying the Republican banner, he won't need to.

 

[Vic]

I think I just flashed back to this forum circa 2002, with spidey and Jakalas trading places with McOwen and conjur.

 

[Genx87]

What ever happened to Conjur?

I am just curious if Holder bothered to read it before filing

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

you are a fresh batch of liberal brainwashed collage educated shit faces who cannot see the truth, stop drinking the kool-aid for a few weeks let it wear out

LOL the only thing that I mentioned was his stupid conspiracy theory that he's going to take over and cancel an election.

So you agree with that? because that is all I disputed. I didn't dispute that the lawsuit was stupid. I think the lawsuit is stupid.

You are so crazy you can't even understand when someone is agreeing or not lol. Keepthe LOLs coming.

 

[highland145]

My understanding was that the fed law was more strict that the AZ one, just unenforced. If this is the case, why wouldn't AZ say O.K. we'll just follow the fed guide lines instead?

 

[fantolay]

Don't worry, with paranoid nutjobs like you carrying the Republican banner, he won't need to.

Wanna contribute something on topic?

 

[thepd7]

It certainly does seem that way. I won't go into conspiracy theory stuff but it's almost as if Obama has something up his sleeve to prevent the elections or nullify the results.

LOL adjust your tinfoil hat. Yeah they aren't being very smart about it and it surely won't help them in Nov. but you are as loony as those on the left that claimed Bush was going to do the same thing. At least you embrace, and don't hide from, your special brand of crazy.

haha awesome. Obama is going to cancel the elections? Damn you are fucked up spidey

 

[peonyu]

That is a going to be a tough one and will likely go to the supreme court. The fed cannot claim preemption unless they have already passed laws about the problem that the state law is trying to address or the state law is preventing them from passing suitable laws. .

I hope Arizona has some really slick lawyers on thier side who know how to dig up dirt and confidential records...This case has the possibility of revealing how the politicians in Washington have "really" handled border security. Im sure the truth is that Washington WANTS a open border. And they dont want to deport illegal immigrants.

Remember how everytime a politician talks about immigration, the first words from they're mouth is that immigrants expand the economy [buying a home, buying goods from stores etc]. An illegal still does much of that, even buying homes since the laws in some states are so lax...So Washington profits off of illegals.



Besides that. Most everyone is going to root for Arizona to win this lawsuit, this suit just comes across as evil. Washington does as little as it can to secure our border, and one state finally says it has had enough and does the job itself [and would do a better job no doubt]...So Washington makes a lawsuit to stop them. It really cant get worse than that, the Federal Government is living on the moon while we are living on Earth, they are extremely out of touch with the American people at large [im sure La Raza loves them though, but thats a small minority].


I would love to see all of Congress voted out as a result of this, but that will never happen. The mom and pop types who vote Repub/Democrat every year "just cause thats my party" will ensure Congress will always have the vote and a free hand to do as they wish.

But they are the problem [the Senate]. The life-term Senators who have been in Congress for 50+years are the guys who really pull the strings, Obama is just the figurehead [and Bush was aswell]. We replace a President every 4 or 8 years but the thing that never changes in our government is the Congress via the Senators who serve for life [if they keep getting voted in, which they tend to do].

 

[Vic]

Wanna contribute something on topic?

There's nothing to contribute. This is a partisan circle jerk, and I'm not partisan.

However, given the choice between allowing a certain level of illegal immigration and sacrificing my 4th amendment rights by consenting to being forced to prove my citizenship on demand on American soil, I make the obvious choice.

 

[Modelworks]

I hope Arizona has some really slick lawyers on thier side who know how to dig up dirt and confidential records...This case has the possibility of revealing how the politicians in Washington have "really" handled border security. Im sure the truth is that Washington WANTS a open border. And they dont want to deport illegal immigrants.

I always found the border problem funny. I fail to see how a country that goes through the logistics and man power and supplying of world wars, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Iraq and now Afghanistan cannot keep people from walking across a border. China did it centuries ago and we can't do it now ? I guess this is too complex for our current government.

221 BC
Built to withstand the attack of small arms such as swords and spears, these walls were made mostly by stamping earth and gravel between board frames.

The only plausible reason is they don't want to.