Fed judges order California to devise plan to slash prison population

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In a decision that could dramatically reshape California's criminal justice system, a panel of federal judges Tuesday ordered Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and state legislators to find ways to cut the prison population by 40,000, or about one-quarter of all inmates.

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The CA prisons have been under the supervision of Fed Judges for some time, the waste is insane.

One of the hospitals I worked at performed surgery deemed necessary on prisoners, they each had 2 guards, one to manage the prisoner and one to look out for escape attempts.

Instead of pooling their resources, one of the wards was full of prison guards in the hall. We had ~20 prisoners and 40 guards. It was insane, they were from all over the state. The guards were paid while driving hundreds of miles and on OT much of the time. They were pulling in >$100K/year as freaking prison guards, with a killer retirement program too. The guards had netbooks, DVD players, and data/email enabled phones and just screwed around the whole time. They all had lunchboxes that were several cubic feet in size. It was a real eye opener, and made me seriously unsympathetic to the Federally managed prison system.

Instead of contracting for the services (guarding hospital prisoners) or pooling their resources, they keep doggedly to the 2:1 ratio of guards to prisoners.

 

TruePaige

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Maybe this is the first step towards an end on the most retarded pieces of "War on Drugs" legislation.

More states should go bankrupt if it means getting offenders that didn't harm anyone out of our prisons.
 

LunarRay

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Well... gee...

IF you free them you then incur the cost of welfare etc or they live on the street and commit crime to eat and go back to the prison and on and on..
We need more prisons or farm them out to states with room... or something except letting them roam about in society. But, that simply delays that inevitable result..

IF prisoners need guards to insure they don't escape while medical treatment is performed then bring the treatment to them. Build suitable medical facilities at the prison and enable teaching hospitals to provide MD residents and fellows and Attending Physicians to visit as they do in other venues.

I just don't see a right way to deal with this atm... other than investing big $ which maybe a good idea atm anyhow.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well... gee...

IF you free them you then incur the cost of welfare etc or they live on the street and commit crime to eat and go back to the prison and on and on..
We need more prisons or farm them out to states with room... or something except letting them roam about in society. But, that simply delays that inevitable result..

IF prisoners need guards to insure they don't escape while medical treatment is performed then bring the treatment to them. Build suitable medical facilities at the prison and enable teaching hospitals to provide MD residents and fellows and Attending Physicians to visit as they do in other venues.

I just don't see a right way to deal with this atm... other than investing big $ which maybe a good idea atm anyhow.

We have a lot of people in prison that don't need to be in prison.

White collar, minor drug offenses, petty shit.

That 3 strikes rule is part of the horrible overcrowding of our prisons.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
has cali said "we forgive all minor marijuana posession/sale charges" yet?

MJ is a ticket in this state, with easy "legal" status with a prescription.


MJ is a cop out to our drug problems. Meth is the biggie.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
has cali said "we forgive all minor marijuana posession/sale charges" yet?

MJ is a ticket in this state, with easy "legal" status with a prescription.


MJ is a cop out to our drug problems. Meth is the biggie.

i agree...free up the resources from the MJ enforcement and crack down on meth
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
has cali said "we forgive all minor marijuana posession/sale charges" yet?

MJ is a ticket in this state, with easy "legal" status with a prescription.


MJ is a cop out to our drug problems. Meth is the biggie.

i agree...free up the resources from the MJ enforcement and crack down on meth

Legalize amphetamines.

Give them some Adderall.
 

Moonbeam

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So what happens? The Moronator appeals to the Supreme court. He says we don't have the money to obey the law. Can you believe that horses ass. We don't have the money to comply with the constitutional rights of prisoners so we wont. That worthless shit needs to go back to Nazi Germany.

If Ca doesn't have to money to lock up criminals then it's too fucking bad. You either pay to lock them up properly or you stop convicting them to do time.

Ca is going to have to let all those criminals back into the population and the politicians are going to have to pay at the ballot box for their total lack of capacity to govern.

California needs a constitutional convention and a wipe of the assholes running this state.

Edit: One thing Ca can do is gather up all the illegals it holds in its prisons and deliver them to Washington. They belong in federal prison and the Feds pay a pittance of the cost to hold them. They don't have the money.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well... gee...

IF you free them you then incur the cost of welfare etc or they live on the street and commit crime to eat and go back to the prison and on and on..
We need more prisons or farm them out to states with room... or something except letting them roam about in society. But, that simply delays that inevitable result..

IF prisoners need guards to insure they don't escape while medical treatment is performed then bring the treatment to them. Build suitable medical facilities at the prison and enable teaching hospitals to provide MD residents and fellows and Attending Physicians to visit as they do in other venues.

I just don't see a right way to deal with this atm... other than investing big $ which maybe a good idea atm anyhow.

We certainly don't need more prisons, we need less people in prison.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Well... gee...

IF you free them you then incur the cost of welfare etc or they live on the street and commit crime to eat and go back to the prison and on and on..
We need more prisons or farm them out to states with room... or something except letting them roam about in society. But, that simply delays that inevitable result..

IF prisoners need guards to insure they don't escape while medical treatment is performed then bring the treatment to them. Build suitable medical facilities at the prison and enable teaching hospitals to provide MD residents and fellows and Attending Physicians to visit as they do in other venues.

I just don't see a right way to deal with this atm... other than investing big $ which maybe a good idea atm anyhow.

You free the prisoners, you jail the prison guard union members, and you pay the prisoners minimum wage to replace the prison guards.
 

Fear No Evil

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Does anyone really have any proof that any significant amount of prisoners are because of MJ crimes or are we all just spouting bullshit? Someone post a link to something credible or I am calling shens.. I don't believe there is anywhere near the amounts that people here claim.. they are just pushing their pro-MJ agenda by claiming it.

Prove me wrong?
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Does anyone really have any proof that any significant amount of prisoners are because of MJ crimes or are we all just spouting bullshit? Someone post a link to something credible or I am calling shens.. I don't believe there is anywhere near the amounts that people here claim.. they are just pushing their pro-MJ agenda by claiming it.

Prove me wrong?

My instinct says bullshit. I would venture to guess more than half my friends are pot smokers and none have gone to jail. I would like to see some data. My guess is most of the new growth in prison inmates are due to illegal Mexicans.
 

Patranus

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Does anyone really have any proof that any significant amount of prisoners are because of MJ crimes or are we all just spouting bullshit? Someone post a link to something credible or I am calling shens.. I don't believe there is anywhere near the amounts that people here claim.. they are just pushing their pro-MJ agenda by claiming it.

Prove me wrong?

How about this guy?
http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Reports...ACHAR1/ACHAR1d2008.pdf

All Marijuana including distribution accounts for roughly 2% total prison population.
 

StageLeft

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They should slash the prison population but slashing prisoners.

Give them rings and ways to fight to the death for freedom.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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No problem. Take the least violent prisoners and construct housing facilities next to the judges home. Problem solved.
 

marincounty

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Simple. Just release the 40,000 least violent prisoners, and give them each a bus ticket to Texas. Problem solved.:D
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: marincounty
Simple. Just release the 40,000 least violent prisoners, and give them each a bus ticket to Texas. Problem solved.:D

They will get bused right back to CALIFORNIA.

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