Fearing Fort Bragg

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The men, women and problems now coming home from Iraq

WITHIN certain military circles, ?Fort Bragg? is a code word for what the stress of combat can do to a man. In 2002, the murders of four military wives by their soldier husbands within six weeks at the base in South Carolina prompted the army to take a hard look at how combat affects troops and their families: three of the Fort Bragg soldiers had returned from special-forces duty in Afghanistan. Two of the men committed suicide after killing their wives.

With 123,000 troops returning from Iraq in the next few months (to be replaced by 110,000 soldiers and Marines), and another 11,000 being ?turned? over in Afghanistan, America is in its largest troop rotation since the second world war. General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has called the operation ?a logistics feat that will rival any in history?; it may also have a sizeable social effect.

A virtual battalion of chaplains, social workers, psychologists, psychiatrists, domestic and child-abuse counsellors, financial advisers and others are on tap to embrace the combat-weary human wave about to hit America's shores. There are websites, pamphlets, hotlines and support groups. Over 400 ?family readiness centres? are open. At Fort Campbell, Kentucky, where more than 18,000 soldiers are due home in coming months, reunion seminars are being run for spouses.

This may sound ordered, but as Joyce Raezer of the National Military Family Association points out, ?a lot of these services are making it up as they go along?. One reason for this is that the changed nature of America's fighting force raises new issues from those encountered after Vietnam or even the last Gulf war.

A different sort of army

Around one in five of the troops in Iraq are reservists or part of the National Guard?and that proportion will double after the current rotation. These part-time soldiers are typically older, more likely to be married and have children than regular, active-duty soldiers; and most of them have jobs. They will return to civilian life, making them less easy to monitor than active-duty troops returning to bases.

There are also financial worries. The armed forces say that two-thirds of the reservists and National Guards mobilised have been paid the same or more than they get in Civvy Street. Harder to account for is the cost of leaving a family business unattended or missing a key promotion. On February 11th, several state lieutenant-governors launched a programme of grants for financially strapped families of reservists and National Guard soldiers.

The Army Reserve and National Guard have both fallen short of their most recent recruiting targets. Fear of an exodus of Army Reserve and National Guard soldiers prompted the reservists' boss, Lieutenant-General James Helmly to criticise the army's treatment of his men and women. The Reserve, he said, needed to convince its troops that ?we value your service and we're not going to run this like a doggone flesh farm.? That would mean giving reservists more predictability in their lives?a tall order in an age of global terror.

The assistant secretary of defence, Thomas Hall, who oversees the reservist and National Guard operations for all military services, rejects suggestions that his forces are stretched thin. About 350,000 of them (38% of the ?drilling reserve?) have been mobilised for federal duty since September 2001, leaving most of them available for more routine work like disaster relief. But Mr Hall admits plans are afoot to ?rebalance? the mix of skills in his forces, the plan being to lessen the pressure on particular sorts of troops?military police, air-traffic controllers and also, sadly, morticians?that are called up most.

The idea that reservists can be sent overseas has come as a surprise to many families. ?My son provided security for the torch at the Olympic Games: that's what I thought the National Guard did,? says Rosemarie Slavenas, an Illinois woman whose son was among 15 soldiers killed when a missile hit the helicopter he was piloting in Iraq last November.

Paul Vogel, whose son's tour of duty with the Army Reserve has been extended to a year, took the unusual step of travelling to Iraq to see his son last October. ?The full-time guys don't let their guard down, but the reservists feel they've been sold a bill of goods on the whole deal,? he says. He and his wife have put an American flag in their snow-covered yard for every American killed in Iraq. The banner on the side of their Victorian mansion in a prosperous, Republican-dominated suburb of Chicago reads: ?Proud of Our Soldier, Ashamed of Our President?.

 

maluckey

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Not new news. After each major conflict in U.S. history, to include the Civil War, it happened. News is just much more available nowadays.

I remember hearing the same kind stories from my grandfather about WW-II. I can also recall my father telling tales of a friend of his who killed himself after Vietnam, when his wife left him for another man.
 

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Fearing Fort Bragg
Downtown Hay Street should undoubtedly be quite active in the coming months.



Man downtown Hay Street, I grew up on that street so to speak

Susie Wong Club, Ricks Lounge, man what a place.........
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: Dari
Don't potential soldiers have to past a psychological test or something?
That depends. I suppose we could say that during the initial screening and processing phase, soldiers are subjected to a very basic psych eval.

Before attending sniper school, I went through a more comprehensive psych eval than what I'd experienced up until that particular time. "We wish to avoid another Oswald" is what the officer in charge told my group before proceeding with the evaluation.

I'm glad to see that the army places more emphasis on "winding down" after returning from downrange. PTSD ain't fun.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: Dari
Don't potential soldiers have to past a psychological test or something?
That depends. I suppose we could say that during the initial screening and processing phase, soldiers are subjected to a very basic psych eval.

Before attending sniper school, I went through a more comprehensive psych eval than what I'd experienced up until that particular time. "We wish to avoid another Oswald" is what the officer in charge told my group before proceeding with the evaluation.

I'm glad to see that the army places more emphasis on "winding down" after returning from downrange. PTSD ain't fun.

Could you please define the jargons in the last sentence?

By the way, what would've lead those soldiers to kill their wives? Was it drugs/stress?
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: Dari
Don't potential soldiers have to past a psychological test or something?
That depends. I suppose we could say that during the initial screening and processing phase, soldiers are subjected to a very basic psych eval.

Before attending sniper school, I went through a more comprehensive psych eval than what I'd experienced up until that particular time. "We wish to avoid another Oswald" is what the officer in charge told my group before proceeding with the evaluation.

I'm glad to see that the army places more emphasis on "winding down" after returning from downrange. PTSD ain't fun.

Could you please define the jargons in the last sentence?

By the way, what would've lead those soldiers to kill their wives? Was it drugs/stress?
Sure.

downrange = deployment or combat
PTSD = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder

What would have led those soldier's to kill their wives? Well, I'm no shrink so you prolly want to invite more authoritative commentary from BBD.

Anyhow, my guess would be either one or a combination of factors, based on my experiences. Seperation, in cases like this, affects both the soldier and his/her family. A psych told me that a spouse can sometimes fill the void created by the deployed soldier and assume a more independent role than that which existed before. Events occur during deployment too. More than a couple of dependent spouses have been known to seek outside relationships during deployments. An old Sergeant Major once told us that if you call before coming home after returning to the base from a long deployment then there shouldn't be any surprises.

Problems occur with soldiers too. Guys change while they are away because of obvious factors. They re-enter the relationship hoping that everything will be the same and it isn't. Oh sure, the wife and kids are at home just like before. Cars are in the driveway and bills keep coming in. The problem is that although the soldier has returned physically, mentally, he's still over there. Some guys feel guilt while others feel they aren't compensated enough for what they've experienced. Then there is the issue of friends and relatives not comprehending what the soldier has experienced. Some dudes feel alienated from relationships or society.

Finally, this perspective can't even begin to cover the seriously wounded who have lost limbs or are paralyzed. I really feel for those guys.

Yeah, drinking, drugs and numerous other things can creep up. A few of my peers, retired like me, just get totally wasted to a greater degree than I would ever dream of. You'll see this much more with enlisted than with officers.
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: burnedout
Fearing Fort Bragg
Downtown Hay Street should undoubtedly be quite active in the coming months.



Man downtown Hay Street, I grew up on that street so to speak

Susie Wong Club, Ricks Lounge, man what a place.........

Went to high school down there. It was a real sh!t hole.

Mentioning Fort Bragg and having someone associate it with California, would be the equivalent of someone mentioning Paris and associating it with Texas..
 

beer

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: burnedout
Fearing Fort Bragg
Downtown Hay Street should undoubtedly be quite active in the coming months.



Man downtown Hay Street, I grew up on that street so to speak

Susie Wong Club, Ricks Lounge, man what a place.........

Went to high school down there. It was a real sh!t hole.

Mentioning Fort Bragg and having someone associate it with California, would be the equivalent of someone mentioning Paris and associating it with Texas..

Paris, TX
 

Nitemare

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Originally posted by: beer
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Romans828
Originally posted by: burnedout
Fearing Fort Bragg
Downtown Hay Street should undoubtedly be quite active in the coming months.



Man downtown Hay Street, I grew up on that street so to speak

Susie Wong Club, Ricks Lounge, man what a place.........

Went to high school down there. It was a real sh!t hole.

Mentioning Fort Bragg and having someone associate it with California, would be the equivalent of someone mentioning Paris and associating it with Texas..

Paris, TX


I know there is one, just like there is a Fort Bragg, California...just that one is a wee bit more well known
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Went to high school down there. It was a real sh!t hole.

Mentioning Fort Bragg and having someone associate it with California, would be the equivalent of someone mentioning Paris and associating it with Texas..

Pine Forest, Seventy-First, EE Smith, Southview, Douglas Byrd, *cough* Fayettville Academy . . . ?
 

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Was Hay street cleaned up a lot.

Did some work at Ft Bragg in the early 80's.
One of the GI's I was working with had a Korean GF that worked at one of the bars at the north end of Hay street

About 10 years later, swung through F'ville. Seemed that the complete area had undergone some re-construction
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Was Hay street cleaned up a lot.

Did some work at Ft Bragg in the early 80's.
One of the GI's I was working with had a Korean GF that worked at one of the bars at the north end of Hay street

About 10 years later, swung through F'ville. Seemed that the complete area had undergone some re-construction
I was also there during the early 80s. Back then, that place was wild, but ate up as well.