FDR knew Freedom.

[techs]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms

1.Freedom of speech and expression
2.Freedom of worship
3.Freedom from want
4.Freedom from fear

Gee, someone actually defined Freedom.

 

[Jaskalas]

Freedom from want, quick - feed me, cloth me, provide everything to me! More like freedom to go bankrupt and collapse the economy. That'll certainly help.

There is only so much we can provide, and it is never enough.

BTW, someone should tell the Japanese Americans how much FDR loved freedom.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

If "freedom from want" can be defined as a "freedom" then anything can.

I want a private island in the Pacific with 72 virgins as serving wenches. Whose freedom do I have to impose upon to get this "freedom" for myself?

 

[Smoblikat]

I think you guys are taking it too far and you know it. Freedom of want means that all your basic things for survival will be covered. Water, food, roof. Doesnt have to be lobster and caviar or gourmet french spring water, but that you get somthing.

 

[techs]

If "freedom from want" can be defined as a "freedom" then anything can.

I want a private island in the Pacific with 72 virgins as serving wenches. Whose freedom do I have to impose upon to get this "freedom" for myself?

I think you completely missed the point.

In a world that is productive enough to provide food and clothing and shelter and health care for every American than government has a responsibility to follow policies that make these things available to all Americans within reach of their incomes.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

In a world that is productive enough to provide food and clothing and shelter and health care for every American than government has a responsibility to follow policies that make these things available to all Americans within reach of their incomes.

Perhaps. But that is not a "freedom".

You cannot "make available" something to someone without taking it from someone else. That's not "freedom", it's the opposite.

 

[nehalem256]

I think you completely missed the point.

In a world that is productive enough to provide food and clothing and shelter and health care for every American than government has a responsibility to follow policies that make these things available to all Americans within reach of their incomes.

Seems like mandatory abortions for people who cannot afford to have children would be consistent with the "freedom from want".

After all we would not want to take away people's freedom

 

[Jaskalas]

I think you guys are taking it too far and you know it. Freedom of want means that all your basic things for survival will be covered. Water, food, roof. Doesnt have to be lobster and caviar or gourmet french spring water, but that you get somthing.

Birth Control?

Why not vitamin supplements? Need those to stay healthy. A pretty basic need.

 

[techs]

Perhaps. But that is not a "freedom".

You cannot "make available" something to someone without taking it from someone else. That's not "freedom", it's the opposite.

I guess what you mean by taking away would be a gazilionaires right to keep all the countries money while people starve?

 

[Steeplerot]

I guess what you mean by taking away would be a gazilionaires right to keep all the countries money while people starve?

It's a pseudo religious thing to them, the rich are rich because god wants it that way. Us serfs are not godly enough. We should eternally be their bitches and robbed for our labor and most of our time on the planet serving them.

This sums up their sociopathic idea to be subservient to your betters -or starve. Freedumb!

 

[Jaskalas]

I think you completely missed the point.

In a world that is productive enough to provide food and clothing and shelter and health care for every American than government has a responsibility to follow policies that make these things available to all Americans within reach of their incomes.

I guess what you mean by taking away would be a gazilionaires right to keep all the countries money while people starve?

I understand freedom from want now. It's the communist plan. Government no longer recognizes private property and seizes / redistributes all of it fairly and equally.

No one shall own in excess of their 'needs'.

 

[Charles Kozierok]

I guess what you mean by taking away would be a gazilionaires right to keep all the countries money while people starve?

If I thought that, I would have answered your prior with "no" rather than with "perhaps".

If you think it's appropriate for government to take money from rich people to give to poor people, fine. To a certain extent, I agree. But don't claim that this is any sort of "freedom" -- it's not.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Once you start defining freedom and rights in positive terms like "freedom from want", the words have no meaning. If you want to take the position that as a society we should ensure that no one goes hungry or is homeless, that's fine. But it's sophistry to pretend that has anything to do with freedom.

 

[nobodyknows]

Freedom from want could mean different things to different people. I would take it to mean that if you are in want of something that there would be a path available for you to get it. A job for example, not neccesarily a handout, but I'm not ruling that out either.

Remember, when FDR gave that speech Europe was at war, we were just coming out of the Great Depression and there was a lot of "want" in the world.

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms. The first is freedom of speech and expression—everywhere in the world. The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way—everywhere in the world. The third is freedom from want—which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants—everywhere in the world. The fourth is freedom from fear—which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor—anywhere in the world. That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.—Franklin D. Roosevelt, excerpted from the State of the Union Address to the Congress, January 6, 1941

 

[Spungo]

If "freedom from want" can be defined as a "freedom" then anything can.

I want a private island in the Pacific with 72 virgins as serving wenches. Whose freedom do I have to impose upon to get this "freedom" for myself?

Not everyone is allowed to want. Just mention something about wanting to sleep with several men at the same time and you might be kicked out of your church. Women are not allowed to want abortions. Women are not allowed to want independence. There are some sick people out there who live to crush the human spirit. They tell people that it's wrong to want things. Destroying human spirit is so engrained in religion that it's one of the ten commandments.

#10 - thou shalt not covet (strongly desire) thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. (exodus 20:17)

Also - Joe Lieberman is an idiot. He is so strongly Jewish that he has his assistant do things like push elevator buttons for him on the sabbath. Apparently he was too lazy to look up the rules to see if that is cheating:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates (exodus 20:10)

 

[Sonikku]

Don't even get us started on FDR. Fox News exposed Teddy Roosevelt as the Socialist he was when Obama tried using him in his defense, and Teddy was a Conservative for his time. That makes FDR relative to Teddy the god damned fucking Liberal John Locke fucking KING SOCIALIST OVERLORD FUCK SHIT FUCK master of them all. The best thing he did for America came in dying. (coincidence America fortunes improved and the war was won soon after? I think not!) Obama is downright fair and balanced compared to that whack job.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Not everyone is allowed to want. Just mention something about wanting to sleep with several men at the same time and you might be kicked out of your church. Women are not allowed to want abortions. Women are not allowed to want independence. There are some sick people out there who live to crush the human spirit. They tell people that it's wrong to want things. Destroying human spirit is so engrained in religion that it's one of the ten commandments.

#10 - thou shalt not covet (strongly desire) thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. (exodus 20:17)

Also - Joe Lieberman is an idiot. He is so strongly Jewish that he has his assistant do things like push elevator buttons for him on the sabbath. Apparently he was too lazy to look up the rules to see if that is cheating:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates (exodus 20:10)

Zionists are not Jewish.

 

[glenn1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Freedoms

1.Freedom of speech and expression
2.Freedom of worship
3.Freedom from want
4.Freedom from fear

Gee, someone actually defined Freedom.

Hey FDR, I want the OP to stop making dumb threads. Not having to listen to him would be freedom.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Perhaps. But that is not a "freedom".

You cannot "make available" something to someone without taking it from someone else. That's not "freedom", it's the opposite.

I hereby declare that I own everything.
Why u stealin' my internet? Did I say you could use it?
The air. I own it. So stop breathing. The government has no right to usurp my rights over it, and as it is mine I am perfectly justified to do whatever it takes to stop you from using it.

Funny that society won't enforce my claim that I own everything, and will in fact stop me from enforcing my claim. How convenient that they make it available for themselves in such an underhanded manner -- by stabbing me in the back and taking my stuff.

Goddamn commies.

 

[Texashiker]

Gee, someone actually defined Freedom.

I guess that is why fdr ordered tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans detained without due process?

fdr was a two faced bigot, and nothing more.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I guess that is why fdr ordered tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans detained without due process?

fdr was a two faced bigot, and nothing more.

Perhaps he should add "for white people" to the title.