FCC told to go fluck themselves

RightIsWrong

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Cheers to a couple of judges that realize that the Constitution and Bill of Rights didn't change on 9/11.

According to the ruling, the judges have declared that not every use of the words "fluck" and "shlt" carry a sexual or excretory connotation.

FCC Chairman subsequently blows a gasket. Tries to pull the "think of the children" fallacious argument.

At least they can be said on TV without the massive FCC fines....ATPN however, still believes that censorship is best. :(

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The federal appeals court in New York on Monday tossed out a key FCC indecency ruling that said a slip of the tongue gets broadcasters a fine, telling the commission that it failed to give a good reason for its decision and likely couldn't find a good reason if it had to.

"We find the FCC's new policy sanctioning 'fleeting expletives' is arbitrary and capricious under the Administrative Procedures Act for failing to articulate a reasoned basis for its change in policy," the court wrote in a 2-1 opinion.

Although a majority of the judges found little to like about the commission's 2006 decision, it sent the order back to Washington, allowing the panel to get another stab at writing the rules.

But even the court's remand came with a catch, as it warned the FCC to ensure that "further proceedings" are "consistent" with the court's decision.

"We are doubtful that by merely proffering a reasoned analysis for its new approach to indecency and profanity, the commission can adequately respond to the constitutional and statutory challenges raised by the networks," Judge Rosemary Pooler wrote. "While we fully expect the networks to raise the same arguments they have raised to this court if the commission does nothing more on remand than provide additional explanation for its departure from prior precedent, we can go no further than this opinion."

FCC chairman Kevin Martin took the decision hard, saying it is the judges who are wrong and not the commission.

"I find it hard to believe that the New York court would tell American families that 's---' and 'f---' are fine to say on broadcast television during the hours when children are most likely to be in the audience," he said in a statement. "The court even says the commission is 'divorced from reality.' It is the New York court, not the commission, that is divorced from reality in concluding that the word 'f---' does not invoke a sexual connotation."

In its original decision, the FCC concluded that language used by Cher and Nicole Richie during the 2002 and 2003 Billboard Music Awards aired by Fox were indecent and profane. (Billboard, The Hollywood Reporter and Adweek are units of the Nielsen Co.)

Opponents of the commission's attempts to regulate speech called the decision a victory.

"Score one for the First Amendment," said Media Access Project president and CEO Andrew Jay Schwartzman. "It's a shame that citizens and broadcasters had to seek protection from the courts, but it is very reassuring to know that one branch of the government can rise above demagogy."

Media Access Project attorneys represented the Center for Creative Voices in Media as intervenor in the case. CCV's members include many in the creative community, and its brief to the court stressed the effect of the FCC's action on writers, directors and other artists.

The ruling did not go unnoticed in Hollywood as AFTRA, DGA, SAG, WGA East and WGA West issued a joint statement applauding the decision. The guilds joined a coalition of arts, filmmakers and free expression organizations in filing a friend-of-the-court amicus brief urging the court to overturn the FCC ruling.

Fox said the ruling recognizes Americans' ability to make their own decisions about what programming they want to see: "Viewers should be allowed to determine for themselves and their families, through the many parental-control technologies available, what is appropriate viewing for their home."

Commerce Committee chairman Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, urged the FCC to appeal. "It is disappointing that a divided Second Circuit panel chose to invalidate the FCC's efforts to combat the gratuitous use of offensive language on broadcast television," he said. "I hope and expect that the commission will move swiftly in appealing this case to the Supreme Court."

Although the commission found that the Billboard shows violated the broadcast indecency rules, it didn't issue a fine because the programs predated a policy established in 2004 after U2 frontman Bono said during an NBC broadcast that winning a Golden Globe was "really, really f-ing brilliant."

In the Bono decision, the FCC changed its definition of "fleeting" use, deciding that a certain word can be so vile that it runs afoul of the nation's indecency laws. The court's decision Monday appears to undo the Bono decision, which has been sitting at the commission on review for some time.

"The [commission's order] makes passing reference to other reasons that purportedly support its change in policy, none of which we find sufficient," Pooler wrote. "For instance, the commission states that even nonliteral uses of expletives fall within its indecency definition because it is 'difficult [if not impossible] to distinguish whether a word is being used as an expletive or as a literal description of sexual or excretory functions.' This defies any common-sense understanding of these words, which as the public well knows are often used in everyday conversation without a 'sexual or excretory' meaning. Bono's exclamation that his victory at the Golden Globes Award was 'really, really, flucking brilliant' is a prime example of a nonliteral use of the 'F-word' with no sexual connotation."

NBC Universal called the decision a dose of "common sense" for the commission, which has dithered over a final ruling in the Bono case for years.

"The court's ruling discredits the FCC's 2004 Golden Globes decision?which has been subject to unresolved appeals pending at the agency for more than three years?for its abrupt departure from long-standing policy regarding fleeting expletives in live programming," the network said.

The court went further than simply discrediting the Bono decision, saying that the time might be right for the unique treatment of the broadcast medium to end, given the media landscape that has arisen with the advent of cable and satellite TV and the Internet. The decision could be one of the first to take a chunk out of the scarcity doctrine expressed in the U.S. Supreme Court's Red Lion case or the underlying Pacifica case that defined the commission's ability to regulate indecent speech.

"This is a huge shift away from Red Lion and Pacifica," one network executive said.

The 1978 Pacifica decision came after a complaint was raised against a Pacifica station in New York for playing comedian George Carlin's bit "Filthy Words." While it established First Amendment protection for indecent speech, it also said the commission could regulate it to protect children from the language.

The 1969 decision in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC said broadcasters get First Amendment protection, but granted the government the power to regulate broadcasters to preserve openness in covering the news because they operate with a government license on scarce radio spectrum.

The New York court, however, said the judges would be foolish if they failed to note the advent of cable and satellite TV and the Internet.

"We would be remiss not to observe that it is increasingly difficult to describe the broadcast media as uniquely pervasive and uniquely accessible to children, and at some point in the future, strict scrutiny may properly apply in the contest of regulating broadcast television," Pooler wrote.

She added that Americans can take steps to block content they don't wish to see, writing "blocking technologies such as the V-chip have empowered viewers to make their own choices about what they do, and do not, want to see on television."

The court's language on the V-chip and the nature of cable and satellite TV could impact more than just indecent speech on TV and radio. Recently, the FCC asked Congress for the authority to regulate violent speech in much the same way it regulates broadcast indecency on all platforms. Monday's ruling could make it more difficult for Martin to push those plans.

"This is a timely opinion as public policy makers weigh the merits of further program content restrictions," National Association of Broadcasters representative Dennis Wharton said. "NAB has long believed that responsible industry self-regulation is preferable to government regulation in areas of programming content."

The decision Monday is one of two free-speech cases the court is expected to decide soon. The decision on Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" during the 2004 Super Bowl halftime show also is due out of the Philadelphia circuit court of appeals.

Under federal court rulings and commission rules, material is indecent if it "in context, depicts or describes sexual or excretory activities or organs in a patently offensive manner as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium." Indecent speech can be aired safely between 10 p.m.-6 a.m. Broadcasters today can face a fine of as much as $325,000 per violation.
 

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Stupid mods. lmao

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Cheers to a couple of judges that realize that the Constitution and Bill of Rights didn't change on 9/11.

According to the ruling, the judges have declared that not every use of the words "fluck" and "shlt" carry a sexual or excretory connotation.

FCC Chairman subsequently blows a gasket. Tries to pull the "think of the children" fallacious argument.

At least they can be said on TV without the massive FCC fines....ATPN however, still believes that censorship is best. :(

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techs

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Exactly what part of "Freedom of Speech" does the FCC not understand?
:thumbsup:
 

tw1164

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Wonder if this will have an impact on primetime tv show dialog? Now the FCC can focus on fixing the cablecard mess.
 

fskimospy

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I don't see this changing much. The FCC has regulatory power over little of the TV spectrum as it is. What, 5 channels out of hundreds? Unfortunately all the other channels voluntarily censor themselves (I'm looking at you TBS and USA... stop ruining good movies) and I imagine that even if the FCCs regulatory power is lifted the "won't someone think of the children!" types will yell loudly enough that the broadcast networks won't do that much different.
 
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Originally posted by: techs
Exactly what part of "Freedom of Speech" does the FCC not understand?
:thumbsup:

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here.

The FCC isn't trying to regulate speech. It's trying to enforce decency standards. There is a difference. The "seven deadly words" or whatever are not necessary to carry on a conversation or to get your point across.

You can convey whatever message you want on the public airwaves. You just have to use conventional language to do it. How is that banning/preventing (whatever word you want to use) free speech?
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: techs
Exactly what part of "Freedom of Speech" does the FCC not understand?
:thumbsup:

This is truly hilarious - in this thread, you denounce the gov't for trying prevent the networks from broadcasting the occasional f-bomb, but in another thread, you wish the gov't engaged in more free speech suppression in the form of campaign finance reform?!?! :roll:
 

ProfJohn

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I see nothing wrong with them trying to keep the F or other words off the air during ?family viewing hours? which is before 10pm.

At the same time I?d rather see the Networks do it on their own.
It looks like both of these cases involved live broadcasts, they need to add a 5 second delay and ?bleep? out the bad stuff. Problem solved.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: techs
Exactly what part of "Freedom of Speech" does the FCC not understand?
:thumbsup:

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here.

The FCC isn't trying to regulate speech. It's trying to enforce decency standards. There is a difference. The "seven deadly words" or whatever are not necessary to carry on a conversation or to get your point across.

You can convey whatever message you want on the public airwaves. You just have to use conventional language to do it. How is that banning/preventing (whatever word you want to use) free speech?

Hey man, you just said "how is saying 'you can't say that word' limiting free speech?"

Those words certainly aren't necessary in order to convey information, but I think to limit them is absurd. Then again, I'm really against any form of artistic censorship. (did I just call TV artistic? I feel dirty)
 

GoPackGo

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I love how everyone gets so up in arms over words.

Its actions that really count.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here.

The FCC isn't trying to regulate speech. It's trying to enforce decency standards. There is a difference. The "seven deadly words" or whatever are not necessary to carry on a conversation or to get your point across.
But those words aren't deadly either, no matter how much some people try to pretend like they are.
 

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here.

The FCC isn't trying to regulate speech. It's trying to enforce decency standards. There is a difference. The "seven deadly words" or whatever are not necessary to carry on a conversation or to get your point across.
But those words aren't deadly either, no matter how much some people try to pretend like they are.

They kill ratings...how's that for deadly?
 

IGBT

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..tv content is flucked up at best. Watch dvd's of your choice or shut the thing off. So many people think tv is the "end all" and would stand on a 3 legged stool with a noose around their neck if they couldn't watch their crappy tv programs. I'll bet most of you guys watch "The Oprah".
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: techs
Exactly what part of "Freedom of Speech" does the FCC not understand?
:thumbsup:

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here.

The FCC isn't trying to regulate speech. It's trying to enforce decency standards. There is a difference. The "seven deadly words" or whatever are not necessary to carry on a conversation or to get your point across.

You can convey whatever message you want on the public airwaves. You just have to use conventional language to do it. How is that banning/preventing (whatever word you want to use) free speech?

Why do they get to dictate what I find to be decent? If I truly cared enough for their standards of decency, I would "let the free market" decide and "take personal responsibility" for the "moral standards" that I instill in my children by purchasing a V-Chip or other similar device.

I think that I got enough right-wing sound bites in that sentence.

To the mods....

Sorry about the original statement. There was a censored word spelled out within the article itself that I didn't see and it kept getting kicked back when I tried to post it and I got frustrated. No disrespect was meant.
 

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I love how everyone gets so up in arms over words.

Its actions that really count.

Words can lead to action. Shadow says "Go ruin this guy". Boom, ruin.
 

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It is just a word, nothing more. Get a grip, we have a traitor in the whitehouse that would love to eliminate free speech for everyone that disagrees with him, and some puritian worries about an f-bomb?

I dare you to find a 5 year old that hasn't heard it, and likely used it.
 

ElFenix

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this wasn't on 1st amendment grounds, it was on APA grounds.
We find the FCC's new policy sanctioning 'fleeting expletives' is arbitrary and capricious under the Administrative Procedures Act for failing to articulate a reasoned basis for its change in policy
so as soon as the FCC can be bothered to come up with a reasoned basis for its change in policy, they'll start fining people again.
 

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Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
It is just a word, nothing more. Get a grip, we have a traitor in the whitehouse that would love to eliminate free speech for everyone that disagrees with him, and some puritian worries about an f-bomb?

I dare you to find a 5 year old that hasn't heard it, and likely used it.

And that becomes a problem - people using words without knowing the meaning.

 

OutHouse

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why cant american tv be like europen tv where afer 10pm boobies and thongs are ok. :D :thumbsup:
 

DangerAardvark

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Saucy language makes my pee-pee soft.

How much creepier is that than if I had just used profanity?
 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
It is just a word, nothing more. Get a grip, we have a traitor in the whitehouse that would love to eliminate free speech for everyone that disagrees with him, and some puritian worries about an f-bomb?

I dare you to find a 5 year old that hasn't heard it, and likely used it.

And that becomes a problem - people using words without knowing the meaning.

How is that a problem the government needs to involve itself in? The FCC is a relic of our primitive, Puritanical past. We'll get rid of it once we finally get around to pooping out that part of our brain that makes dirty words send shivers down our spine.
 

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: WiseOldDude
It is just a word, nothing more. Get a grip, we have a traitor in the whitehouse that would love to eliminate free speech for everyone that disagrees with him, and some puritian worries about an f-bomb?

I dare you to find a 5 year old that hasn't heard it, and likely used it.

And that becomes a problem - people using words without knowing the meaning.

How is that a problem the government needs to involve itself in? The FCC is a relic of our primitive, Puritanical past. We'll get rid of it once we finally get around to pooping out that part of our brain that makes dirty words send shivers down our spine.

Yeah because people being able to say $hit and fvck on TV is the cure to all of our problems.