FCC ok's use of "F" word

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I think once you have kids and grow up a bit, your views on no censoring will change. You can't tell me letting a kid see and hear filth and garbage does not have any effect on them. Like most of you point out, a child will run into this sort of stuff eventually, but I don't want a kid to think it is acceptable behavior. By the reasoning in this post, you should hand the kid a loaded gun right as he will eventually be able to have one. The fact is children need and even crave guidance, and yes cursing is not the end of the world, but it is the beginning of lack of respect for yourself and those around you. Flame away.
Totally understood. I am 10 years older than my brother, so I was there for a childs development. Not to the extend of a parent, but to the point where I can understand what is needed.
It's the parents responsibility to censor the child. Not the networks.

Vic has it pretty much nailed down.
 

Mrburns2007

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Great now my neices and nephews will learn new words.
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eakers

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i would say that obviously they wouldn't put the f word in cartoons but the other morning on spider man one of the guys said "i am going to beat your ass"

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i don't see a problem with it because to me, they are just words and i don't take offence to them.
 

BigToquex

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I'm not really for censorship as I believe that people should have the right to say what they want. On the other hand, all the violence, sex and foul language can and does have a great impact on children of all ages in many negative ways.

I don't like it when people say things like "He shot 3 kids in school because the video game made him". At the end of the day, it is up to the parents to make sure that their children know about appropriate and non-appropriate behaviour and make sure they know that there are consequences for their actions should they decide to do anything wrong. What you must also realize is that even though the child made his own choice, these choices can be influenced by the type of media that is all around him. A game like Doom or Halo or any movie that has extreme violence can very easily (over time) desensitize a child to these types of events.

(Side: In a lot of these violent movies/games the "bad guys" don't really get punished like most people do in real life. In the movies, the bad guys usually get killed or seriously hurt by the good guys by way of vigilante justice)

With this desensitization, and the views of "good guys" getting the "bad guys", the line of right and wrong can easily be blurred.

So while I don't really believe that we should be enforcing laws to censor information, I do believe that we ALL have a responsibility to watch what we say/view and when we say/view it because there can always be someone around who can't really understand what is going on. (I know some of you will jump at me for this last comment, but please, be gentle)
 

yllus

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*brow furrowed* How about the compromise of allowing whatever the networks dare to air after 7 PM or so? Parents should be home by then, kids nearing their bedtime, etc etc.

It's not like most of us can watch daytime TV (or want to) anyways. :p
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: SammySon
I think once you have kids and grow up a bit, your views on no censoring will change. You can't tell me letting a kid see and hear filth and garbage does not have any effect on them. Like most of you point out, a child will run into this sort of stuff eventually, but I don't want a kid to think it is acceptable behavior. By the reasoning in this post, you should hand the kid a loaded gun right as he will eventually be able to have one. The fact is children need and even crave guidance, and yes cursing is not the end of the world, but it is the beginning of lack of respect for yourself and those around you. Flame away.
Totally understood. I am 10 years older than my brother, so I was there for a childs development. Not to the extend of a parent, but to the point where I can understand what is needed.
It's the parents responsibility to censor the child. Not the networks.

Vic has it pretty much nailed down.

Thank God someone on this forum knows right from wrong...
 

McCarthy

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"What the f*ck you doin here you sh*t head c*ck sucker"
--- some 4 year old girl's greeting to me as I went up to knock on her parent's neighbor's door. Never seen the kid before in my life, somewhere she learned to greet strangers like that.

"There's a kid growing up in a house with HBO" I thought. Maybe not HBO, maybe her folks greet people like that. Who knows.

What I do know is kids pick up things they've heard, be it from schoolmates, TV, radio, internet or even (yes, they're actually listening to these too) their parents. Certainly doesn't benefit them to get more of that influence. Nor does it benefit me to have it read back to me. Good thing it was a girl, it was hard enough not to grab the kid's shirt and walk them home for a chat with the folks, I'd probably be on probation now if some little boy had done the same.

Heinlein's an interesting writer, but that "Censorship is forcing grown men to drink skim milk because the baby can't eat steak." is weak thinking, imo. Even so he didn't need to resort to crude language to make his comparison and I wouldn't agree with it any more or less if he had. Take his metaphor further, grown men can go get a steak if they like, heck all they have to do is dial a telephone to have so called 'premium' cable channels like HBO hooked up, or click a button on a remote for a PPV movie. If they can't handle those challenges they're not grown men.

The censorship is pretty soft, just a few words you can't say (or couldn't) and you can't run around completely naked on TV (yet). Other than that you can do or say anything you want on the radio or TV and more importantly in any discussion of censorship, any view can be expressed. The idea of freedom of speech is to protect society against a totalitarian goverment. Moderating how those views or speech is presented within (very loose) community standards is far from totalitarian, even for the most skilled of slippery slopers.

Keep in mind these are standards for over the air broadcasts, accessible without any form of verification. Don't need to sign up for cable, have an account with Dishnetwork for PPV, anything. All you need is a receiver. Aside from the meager hardware requirement of a transitor radio it's as public as actions carried out on the street. If you can't express your art or get your message across in a way that wouldn't be allowed in a public park then you have the option to express it via those other services (cable/dish/probably XM or Sirius/internet)

Doesn't seem like much of a limit on that 'grown man' to me.

Curious though, for those of you saying you're for this, you're also in favor of allowing people to smoke everywhere without regulation too, right? Take away the lung damage aspect of second hand smoke which has some scientific controversy anyway. If only for the smell of smoke alone would you still want people to smoke somewhere away from you? "Censorship is forcing grown men to breathe clean air because babies don't like the smell of smoke" Seems pretty insulting and extreme when presented that way, doesn't it? People using crude language in public are as annoying to me as someone blowing smoke in my face, even though neither will 'harm' me.